How many times has humanity been wiped down to near extinction?

[Skylar]

But this was supposedly done by a civilization that only used copper chisels and mallets: no C 130s to transport and place, for example, the series of 70 ton stones above the King’s Chamber at several hundred feet above ground level
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That’s not accomplished by slaves scratching granite with deer antlers

They used copper blades and quartz sand. The latter of which is significantly harder than granite. Especially the red and black granite of Assuan that was used, which typically had a hardness of between a 6 and nearly a 7 on the Mohr scale. While quartz has hardness from 7 to nearly 8. And the pyramids are almost entirely limestone which had a hardness of 2 to 4. Which is WAY softer than quartz sand.

Which is why the pyramids were made almost entirely out of limestone. Granite would have been an enormous pain in the ass for the Egyptians.

We can demonstrate the cutting method today using tools that the Eyptians absolutely had access to.

 

[PeterPilot]

Archeologists say that it was intentionally buried by people.

That's fascinating. Have you any source as to which archeologists and when said it was buried by shovels?

 

[Vastator]

That's fascinating. Have you any source as to which archeologists and when said it was buried by shovels?

I never said shovels. But there are numerous documentaries on the site available on YouTube.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here is the first of a multi part series that eviscerated Hancocks pie in the sky theories...

If you're willing to take a look with an open mind and not rely on Hancock, Childress or any of the debunkers, how do you explain this?

 

[Vastator]

If you're willing to take a look with an open mind and not rely on Hancock, Childress or any of the debunkers, how do you explain this?

The same way one would explain independent methods, development of all kinds of things. Stairs, and wells, walls and roofs. As far as using random shape stones? That's simple. Just like we didn't start out using dimensional lumber, they cut what they had, to fit where it was needed.

 

[Skylar]

If you're willing to take a look with an open mind and not rely on Hancock, Childress or any of the debunkers, how do you explain this?

These are from completely different time frames. With virtually no evidence that many of these civilizations ever had contact with each other. If you're willing to look at this with an open mind, the hyper-diffusion narrative doesn't make sense.

Think about it. The Hyper-diffusion narrative is that there was an advanced civilization in the deep past that taught disparate civilization how to build walls, for example. But if you look at archeological record, the time line doesn't match up.

Take Machu Pichu. If you go deeper into their past, the stone work quality gets worse. Not better. If they were taught in the past, the opposite would be true. Same with Egypt. The farther you go back, the worse the stone work quality gets.

Which is exactly opposite what the 'hyperdiffusion' narrative would suggest, with supposedly greater knowledge the farther you go back.

Why would the stone work be the worst quality where the knowledge was supposedly greater?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The same way one would explain independent methods, development of all kinds of things. Stairs, and wells, walls and roofs. As far as using random shape stones? That's simple. Just like we didn't start out using dimensional lumber, they cut what they had, to fit where it was needed.

Right.

Which is why we still haven't figured out this particular construction technique

 

[CrusaderFrank]

These are from completely different time frames. With virtually no evidence that many of these civilizations ever had contact with each other. If you're willing to look at this with an open mind, the hyper-diffusion narrative doesn't make sense.

Think about it. The Hyper-diffusion narrative is that there was an advanced civilization in the deep past that taught disparate civilization how to build walls, for example. But if you look at archeological record, the time line doesn't match up.

Take Machu Pichu. If you go deeper into their past, the stone work quality gets worse. Not better. If they were taught in the past, the opposite would be true. Same with Egypt. The farther you go back, the worse the stone work quality gets.

Which is exactly opposite what the 'hyperdiffusion' narrative would suggest, with supposedly greater knowledge the farther you go back.

Why would the stone work be the worst quality where the knowledge was supposedly greater?

It's quite the opposite. The massive polygonal architecture is the base, the cruder attempts were added on top at a later (inca) date

 

[Skylar]

Right.

Which is why we still haven't figured out this particular construction technique

We haven't figured out how to stack stone blocks? Says who?

 

[Skylar]

It's quite the opposite. The massive polygonal architecture is the base, the cruder attempts were added on top at a later (inca) date

Again, no. You're showing us some of the most RECENT stone work of the Inca. It was built around 1450.

If you go through the archeological record of the same region, and go back 1000 years, the quality of the stonework is far WORSE. If the past is the source of the knowledge, why would the stone work get more primitive and less sophisticated the farther you go back.

Instead, it gets more sophisticated the farther their civilization goes along. The exact opposite of Hyper diffusion.

Hyper diffusion is a fantastically poor idea as its contradicted by the evidence.

 

[task0778]

1. Gobekli Tepi, the Pyramids, and every other ancient building have absolutely nothing to do with human extinction.

2. As far as I can tell, the only time humanity approached extinction was around 70,000 to 75,000 years ago, possibly due to one hell of a supervolcano eruption.

3. Only a fucking idiot believes that current climate change would or could end human existence.

 

[Vastator]

We haven't figured out how to stack stone blocks? Says who?

Apparently some think this is a really high tech endeavor...

 

[Skylar]

Apparently some think this is a really high tech endeavor...

We could build a pyramid with existing technology with little difficulty. Tremendous expense. But little difficulty.

The question is, why would we?

 

[Vastator]

We could build a pyramid with existing technology with little difficulty. Tremendous expense. But little difficulty.

The question is, why would we?

I could think of no other reason, than to best the pyramids at Giza. But if I wanted to construct a monument to stand the test of time, and amaze those who come after, when we are long gone... I could think of something much better than a pile of neatly placed stones...

 

[Skylar]

Graham is one of several archaeologists who highlighted the profound importance of this site.

You know Gobekli Tepi completely upends the fictional narrative that human civilization started in the Tigris Euphrates 5,000 years ago, right?

Does it really, though? Gobekli Tepi is pretty small, basically a moderate village. 300m in diameter, or about 17 acres. And had as many 20 buildings spread over that space.

Compare that to Babylon, which is about 2500 acres. With Babylon being only one of a series of cities in the region like Uruk (1400 acres), Nineveh (4400 acres), or Assur (walled section of the city alone was 300 acres).

With each of these being city states and empires in their own right with populations of 10s of thousands.These cites were also centers of commerce, agriculture, and writing.

Gobekli Tepi was a small to moderate neolithic village. And hardly 'upends the fictional narrative of human civilization starting in the Tigrus Euphrates'. With its 20 buildings it was maybe a seasonal residence. Maybe a temple complex. There's no complex writing. There's no metal working. There's no signs of major agriculture or empire.

They used carved stones.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Does it really, though? Gobekli Tepi is pretty small, basically a moderate village. 300m in diameter, or about 17 acres. And had as many 20 buildings spread over that space.

Compare that to Babylon, which is about 2500 acres. With Babylon being only one of a series of cities in the region like Uruk (1400 acres), Nineveh (4400 acres), or Assur (walled section of the city alone was 300 acres).

With each of these being city states and empires in their own right with populations of 10s of thousands.These cites were also centers of commerce, agriculture, and writing.

Gobekli Tepi was a small to moderate neolithic village. And hardly 'upends the fictional narrative of human civilization starting in the Tigrus Euphrates'. With its 20 buildings it was maybe a seasonal residence. Maybe a temple complex. There's no complex writing. There's no metal working. There's no signs of major agriculture or empire.

They used carved stones.

The carvings are crude at GT. But it's odd that we've only uncovered 5% and now its gettign reburied????

 

[Skylar]

The carvings are crude at GT. But it's odd that we've only uncovered 5% and now its gettign reburied????

Its not a huge site. Nor would anyone call it the 'cradle of civilization'. There's no real signs of large scale agriculture, metal working, a complex writing system, or any particular commerce.

Its an impressive example of a small to moderate sized neolithic village, hunting lodge, temple complex and the like. With about 20 or so buildings. There wasn't even pottery. Many archeologists don't even think it was permanently inhabited.

The civilizations of the Tigrus and Euphrates were orders of magnitude larger, much more complex, were inhabited by 10s of thousands, involved large scale agriculture, complex writing, culture and commerce.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Does it really, though? Gobekli Tepi is pretty small, basically a moderate village. 300m in diameter, or about 17 acres. And had as many 20 buildings spread over that space.

Compare that to Babylon, which is about 2500 acres. With Babylon being only one of a series of cities in the region like Uruk (1400 acres), Nineveh (4400 acres), or Assur (walled section of the city alone was 300 acres).

With each of these being city states and empires in their own right with populations of 10s of thousands.These cites were also centers of commerce, agriculture, and writing.

Gobekli Tepi was a small to moderate neolithic village. And hardly 'upends the fictional narrative of human civilization starting in the Tigrus Euphrates'. With its 20 buildings it was maybe a seasonal residence. Maybe a temple complex. There's no complex writing. There's no metal working. There's no signs of major agriculture or empire.

They used carved stones.

They must have had a lot of free time just to build the site in the first place, that speaks too organization.

Their carvings, though crude are incredibly profound! The most amazing one features the “handbag of the Gods” another very strange and consistent feature found the world over.

The deboonkers laughable “explanation” is that these are water buckets.

This is from Gobekli Tepi, again 11,000 years old, older than any ”major” civilization: Sumerians, Assyrians, Olmecs, Egyptians by many thousands of years. And they feature not 1 but three of these “handbags” that are found all over the world, always carried by a Diety

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Handbags and polygonal architecture

The knobs are hard to explain — and also found all over the world

 

[Skylar]

They must have had a lot of free time just to build the site in the first place, that speaks too organization.

It certainly speaks to cooperation. But the cradle of civilization? Nope. It was pretty small. About a dozen acres. Where as the Mesopotamian cities were measured in square miles.

Firmly placing the Tigrus and Ephrates region as the cradle of civilization rather than Gobekli Tepi...the latter of which had about 20 buildings.

Their carvings, though crude are incredibly profound! The most amazing one features the “handbag of the Gods” another very strange and consistent feature found the world over.

The deboonkers laughable “explanation” is that these are water buckets.

How is that less plausible than aliens or 'hyper diffusion', or whatever Graham Hancock is offering on Netflix?

And again, you never did address the gaping, bleeding hole in hyperdiffusion theory. The farther you go back on these archeological sites, the more crude and less sophisticated the stonework gets.

If the past is the source of 'hyperdiffuse' knowledge, why does the stone work get more primitive the closer you get to the 'knowledge', but MORE advanced the farther away you get?

That's the pattern of people that are learning and refining their skills over time.

This is from Gobekli Tepi, again 11,000 years old, older than any ”major” civilization: Sumerians, Assyrians, Olmecs, Egyptians by many thousands of years. And they feature not 1 but three of these “handbags” that are found all over the world, always carried by a Diety

And again, its not even thought to be a permanent settlement, but some seasonal lodge or temple complex. There's no pottery, no metal working, no real written language, no evidence of large scale agriculture, no real commerce, and about 20 buildings.

Where as the 'major civilizations' had tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of citizens, dedicated armies, massive cities (the walled portions of Assur alone were over 300 acres), complex written language, far ranging commerce networks, culture, and agriculture on a massive scale.

An actual civilization rather than a moderate size neolithic village, hunting lodge or temple complex only 20 buildings in size.