ChrisL
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Old lame paradigms are very hard to shake. Serving in the military doesn't give you a permanent free pass. So to hell with that corrupt old fart McCain.
So? Then bring up his political record, not his military service.
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Old lame paradigms are very hard to shake. Serving in the military doesn't give you a permanent free pass. So to hell with that corrupt old fart McCain.
Trump should refuse to join the Fox debate US Message Board - Political Discussion ForumWould you make up your mind? You love Trump when he blasts the other GOP candidates. And then you dump on him when he leads in the polls.Republicans leading candidate for President
How Trump spent the war years
IT WAS THE spring of 1968, and Donald Trump had it good. He was 21 years old and handsome, with a full head of hair. He'd avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women, and outrageous clubs.
Most important, he had a job in his father's real estate company and a brain bursting with moneymaking ideas that would make him a billionaire.
"When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000," he said in his 1987 autobiography Trump: The Art of the Deal, written with Tony Schwartz. (That's about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) "I had my eye on Manhattan."
More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot's body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations, and months of torture.
The stark contrast in their fortunes was thrown into sharp relief this month when Trump belittled McCain during a campaign speech in Iowa. "He's not a war hero," Trump said of McCain. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Are you off your meds?
Like Reagan once said......here we go again
The Rabbi makes wild claims and then runs away when challenged to support them. This is the point in the thread you get to point out anywhere that I ever supported Trump
Now, watch for The Rabbi two step
The right knows how to pronounce Corpsman.the right doesn't honor military service
Old lame paradigms are very hard to shake. Serving in the military doesn't give you a permanent free pass. So to hell with that corrupt old fart McCain.
So? Then bring up his political record, not his military service.
is that a question or a statement?the right doesn't honor military service
The right knows how to pronounce Corpsman.the right doesn't honor military service
Would you make up your mind? You love Trump when he blasts the other GOP candidates. And then you dump on him when he leads in the polls.Republicans leading candidate for President
How Trump spent the war years
IT WAS THE spring of 1968, and Donald Trump had it good. He was 21 years old and handsome, with a full head of hair. He'd avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women, and outrageous clubs.
Most important, he had a job in his father's real estate company and a brain bursting with moneymaking ideas that would make him a billionaire.
"When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000," he said in his 1987 autobiography Trump: The Art of the Deal, written with Tony Schwartz. (That's about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) "I had my eye on Manhattan."
More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot's body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations, and months of torture.
The stark contrast in their fortunes was thrown into sharp relief this month when Trump belittled McCain during a campaign speech in Iowa. "He's not a war hero," Trump said of McCain. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Are you off your meds?
Like Reagan once said......here we go again
The Rabbi makes wild claims and then runs away when challenged to support them. This is the point in the thread you get to point out anywhere that I ever supported Trump
Now, watch for The Rabbi two step
I thought he is dead?
Republicans leading candidate for President
How Trump spent the war years
IT WAS THE spring of 1968, and Donald Trump had it good. He was 21 years old and handsome, with a full head of hair. He'd avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women, and outrageous clubs.
Most important, he had a job in his father's real estate company and a brain bursting with moneymaking ideas that would make him a billionaire.
"When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000," he said in his 1987 autobiography Trump: The Art of the Deal, written with Tony Schwartz. (That's about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) "I had my eye on Manhattan."
More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot's body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations, and months of torture.
The stark contrast in their fortunes was thrown into sharp relief this month when Trump belittled McCain during a campaign speech in Iowa. "He's not a war hero," Trump said of McCain. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
here I thought you were going to say by playing cards with William Jefferson Clinton. Or going to protest America in England. Funny how Clinton not being in Viet Nam isn't a problem for the left, well not all that funny.
Of course it is not a problem
Didn't see Clinton claiming POWs are not heroes .....I do have a problem with the leading Republican candidate thinking so
No he just dodged the draft and said he "loathed" the Military you idjit..... a slap in the face to EVERY veteran
Trump loathes POWs and he is the leading Republican TODAY!
Trumps quote is a week old while Clinton's in 45 years old
So 45 years from now you won't have an issue with Trump's words, got it.
See how silly that sounds?
Republicans leading candidate for President
How Trump spent the war years
IT WAS THE spring of 1968, and Donald Trump had it good. He was 21 years old and handsome, with a full head of hair. He'd avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women, and outrageous clubs.
Most important, he had a job in his father's real estate company and a brain bursting with moneymaking ideas that would make him a billionaire.
"When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000," he said in his 1987 autobiography Trump: The Art of the Deal, written with Tony Schwartz. (That's about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) "I had my eye on Manhattan."
More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot's body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations, and months of torture.
The stark contrast in their fortunes was thrown into sharp relief this month when Trump belittled McCain during a campaign speech in Iowa. "He's not a war hero," Trump said of McCain. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Wow, you must really hate Ted Kennedy. Tell us about that
Did you just say Ted "The Swimmer' Kennedy?
All's fair in love & war. You don't get a lifelong free pass just because you served in the military. That old paradigm is dead. If you're a corrupt asshole, you'll be called on it. That's just the way it is. Time for people to deal with that.
This is a seperate issue. Bill clinton is a sleaze, no doubt about it. Also a jerk, a rapist. Fill in the blank with you worst excoration on Bill Clinton.I'm not sure how rightwinger can criticize Trump for dodging the war when he most certainly voted for Bill Clinton who did the same.
SNIPS:Oh bullshit.
Trump fought right alongside Obama in Desert Storm. Just ask Hillary, she'd never lie, right libbies?
This is a seperate issue. Bill clinton is a sleaze, no doubt about it. Also a jerk, a rapist. Fill in the blank with you worst excoration on Bill Clinton.I'm not sure how rightwinger can criticize Trump for dodging the war when he most certainly voted for Bill Clinton who did the same.
The deal is, Trump, like Clinton, had a bogus deferment, and safe as he was he critisised McCain's service, something Clinton, jerk that he is, has never done.
One can critisize McCain for his policies, as you could critisize McGovern's as well. People who have "seen the elephant" are loathe to sending more kids off to war for some reason. But don't critisize his service.
As a Senator, McCain fights for what is achievable politically for veterans. He has been at the forefront of every single veterans initiative over the last twenty yearsMcCain has fought for his version of what is best for Veterans. While it is admirable, SO WHAT? That's what he SHOULD be doing. Why does he get a gold star for doing his job? Why is he more revered for that than anybody doing the right thing. When you start to put people on pedestals shots will be taken. Trump took a stupid shot and should be admonished, not trivialized.John McCain has fought for veterans his whole life. Trump has been doing it for two weeksI understand the temptation to lump all experiences together when reflecting on a conversation. In our soundbite world, it is easy to pick apart something that was spoken in the heat of the moment. Anytime McCain makes a bonehead statement or supports a bill/person that is controversial, the "War Hero" mantra is turned up to 11. He wears it, whether intentionally or not, as a cloak that makes him immune to criticism. I think Trump was simply tired of stepping on egg shells and made a bonehead comment of his own. I don't even think Trump supports what Trump said.Is it possible to respect what McCain did without giving him a lifetime pass to be an idiot. Trump made a terrible comment but McCain has made multiple terrible comments and supported far too many turds coming out of Washington. I respect his service and admire his strength in an unbelievably difficult time. However, he does not receive a a pass from criticism on policy that affects us all. He is a war hero who is a terrible representative."I was on my 23rd mission, flying right over the heart of Hanoi in a dive at about 4,500 feet, when a Russian missile the size of a telephone pole came up — the sky was full of them — and blew the right wing off my Skyhawk dive bomber," he wrote in a 1973 account of his ordeal. "It went into an inverted, almost straight-down spin. I pulled the ejection handle, and was knocked unconscious by the force of the ejection."
McCain regained consciousness when his parachute landed him in a lake. The explosion had shattered both arms and one of his legs. With 50 pounds of gear on him and one good limb, he struggled to swim to the surface.
North Vietnamese dragged him to shore. They stripped him to his underwear and began "hollering and screaming and cursing and spitting and kicking at me."
"One of them slammed a rifle butt down on my shoulder, and smashed it pretty badly," he wrote. "Another stuck a bayonet in my foot. The mob was really getting uptight." He was interrogated for four days, losing consciousness as his captors tried to beat information out of him. But he refused.
But Trump prefers the guys who weren't captured as his heroes
If Trump wanted to attack McCains record for vets, it is fair game even though McCain has been fighting for vets for 40 years and Trump has been doing it for two weeks
But to sneer at McCains time as a POW as not being worthy of being a hero is unforgivable
I do believe that Trump is saying some things that need to be heard. Discounting his views would be a mistake. I also feel he is far too egocentric to be president. Anyone who cares more about their name/legacy has no place in the White House.
That Republucans think Trumpis a better representative of veterans issues is a travesty
In this case...there is nothing defensible about TrumpI am sad for you Processing the world with such finality and certainty is an angry an lonely way to live. It is possible to see the good and bad in a person and/or situation without degrading the "right" point of view.I think it came out EXACTLY as Trump intended. Like a child, he has to come up with a worse insult when someone insults himThat was not his point and you know it. He was comparing two forms of heroism. It was a bad comparison.Trump ridiculed ALL POWsThat's a false comparison. "ridicules POW's"... I'll give you one asshole POW not all POW's. "genuine American Hero"... back to this BS again. His service, sacrifice and bravery does not equal a pass on all future ridicule. He is a terrible Senator. Just because no one gives a crap about the terrible things you may have said in your life, doesn't give you moral authority to condemn anyone else.What is amazing is that when given the choice of a man who ridicules POWs and a genuine American hero........they side with Trump
Sad commentary on today's Republicans
McCain's policies (ie. actions since the war) are the equivalent of taking a huge dump on the other veterans of the war. He has been instrumental in changing America for the worse. Not all of his actions have been bad and I'm sure he's a nice guy. However, let's not Saint him just yet...
I like the guys who were not captured does not single out McCain. Implying those who were captured somehow took the easy way out
Where is the Republucan outrage?
I am not constantly perched on a limb waiting to be outraged. I, like many I think, was acutely aware that Trump made a stupid comment. He said something that did not come out the way he meant it. I, like many, will move on...
He made it clear who he thinks the real heroes are
In this case...there is nothing defensible about TrumpI am sad for you Processing the world with such finality and certainty is an angry an lonely way to live. It is possible to see the good and bad in a person and/or situation without degrading the "right" point of view.I think it came out EXACTLY as Trump intended. Like a child, he has to come up with a worse insult when someone insults himThat was not his point and you know it. He was comparing two forms of heroism. It was a bad comparison.Trump ridiculed ALL POWsThat's a false comparison. "ridicules POW's"... I'll give you one asshole POW not all POW's. "genuine American Hero"... back to this BS again. His service, sacrifice and bravery does not equal a pass on all future ridicule. He is a terrible Senator. Just because no one gives a crap about the terrible things you may have said in your life, doesn't give you moral authority to condemn anyone else.
McCain's policies (ie. actions since the war) are the equivalent of taking a huge dump on the other veterans of the war. He has been instrumental in changing America for the worse. Not all of his actions have been bad and I'm sure he's a nice guy. However, let's not Saint him just yet...
I like the guys who were not captured does not single out McCain. Implying those who were captured somehow took the easy way out
Where is the Republucan outrage?
I am not constantly perched on a limb waiting to be outraged. I, like many I think, was acutely aware that Trump made a stupid comment. He said something that did not come out the way he meant it. I, like many, will move on...
He made it clear who he thinks the real heroes are