How we know Hitler was right wing.

[Saigon]

Circe -

I'm a bit confused by your post - are you suggesting that Hitler wasn't as bad as people now say he was?

If so - may I poltely suggest it might be time for a visit to Birkenau?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well Obama Fluffers ARE currently using Hitler as a role model for gun control

 

[Wiseacre]

Well I don't know ... Hitler's Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state with full control over the populace, in other words big gov't. About as big as you can get without actually owning the means of production (socialism) or owning everything (communism). And big gov't is a left wing ideal, no? The Nazis didn't own it, but they damn sure did control it and that is not what the right wingers want.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Threads like this don't even bother me anymore. Once you know the real history and MO of Progressives you see that most of what they do is lie.

Calling Hitler a "right-winger" is just par for the Progressive course

 

[AmyNation]

The more extreme you get the bigger government gets, on both sides.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well I don't know ... Hitler's Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state with full control over the populace, in other words big gov't. About as big as you can get without actually owning the means of production (socialism) or owning everything (communism). And big gov't is a left wing ideal, no? The Nazis didn't own it, but they damn sure did control it and that is not what the right wingers want.

Well except in the Backward Bizzaroland of Progressive "Thought" where state control now becomes a Right wing concept

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The more extreme you get the bigger government gets, on both sides.

Your chart sucks and is 100% wrong

 

[aaronleland]

Well I don't know ... Hitler's Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state with full control over the populace, in other words big gov't. About as big as you can get without actually owning the means of production (socialism) or owning everything (communism). And big gov't is a left wing ideal, no? The Nazis didn't own it, but they damn sure did control it and that is not what the right wingers want.

I don't know. Right wingers seem to love big government when we are telling other countries what we want them to do. They love big government when it's about regulating who can get married, or what can be seen on TV. In other words, they love big government when it suits them.

 

[Wiseacre]

The more extreme you get the bigger government gets, on both sides.

Not getting it Amy, those on the right are for smaller and less intrusive govt with less regulation, while those on the left are for the opposite. So how does a person on the right get to a totalitarian state if he/she wants less and less gov't intervention and regulation?

 

[DiamondDave]

The importance of recognizing Marxism as left wing is so that it stands as a warning to left wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

The importance of recognzing Nazism as right wing is so that it serves as a warning to right wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

This recent movement by some ignorant right wingers to tag Nazism as left wing is very concerning for that very reason. As their views become more and more totalitarian, and their views become more Nazi-like, the whackjobs on the right are convincing themselves they don't have Nazi tendencies because "Nazis are left wing so we can't possibly be Nazis."

Which is why I made the satrical topic, How We Know Hitler Was A Liberal.

The totalitarian/authoritarian aspect is not something left or right... Rule with an iron fist, brutal punishment and brutal authority can come from either side.. that does not take away from the aspects of the Nazi party of extreme government regulation, control, picking winners, and yes even ownership of production and/or business

I have no issue when calling out a figure on the totalitarian right. As stated before, Genghis Khan being a prime example. Brutal, demanded compliance, his law was divine, etc. BUT, let conquered lands worship, produce and work as or how they choose as long as their 'donations', loyalty, worship, etc was to Khan's empire

 

[AmyNation]

The more extreme you get the bigger government gets, on both sides.

Not getting it Amy, those on the right are for smaller and less intrusive govt with less regulation, while those on the left are for the opposite. So how does a person on the right get to a totalitarian state if he/she wants less and less gov't intervention and regulation?

That's because you are only seeing the best qualities of the right and refusing to aknowledge the others.

That's like me saying "those on the left are for equality for all and better education for everyone".

 

[Oddball]

The more extreme you get the bigger government gets, on both sides.

Not getting it Amy, those on the right are for smaller and less intrusive govt with less regulation, while those on the left are for the opposite. So how does a person on the right get to a totalitarian state if he/she wants less and less gov't intervention and regulation?

That's because you are only seeing the best qualities of the right and refusing to aknowledge the others.

That's like me saying "those on the left are for equality for all and better education for everyone".

Meh...

The arc is no less two dimensional than the contrived linear left/right Hegelean model.

 

[Obamanation]

Lefty brain logic.

Hitler was right of Marx, therefore Hitler is what the GOP strives to become...

Gotta love the lefties!!!

 

[AmyNation]

Not getting it Amy, those on the right are for smaller and less intrusive govt with less regulation, while those on the left are for the opposite. So how does a person on the right get to a totalitarian state if he/she wants less and less gov't intervention and regulation?

That's because you are only seeing the best qualities of the right and refusing to aknowledge the others.

That's like me saying "those on the left are for equality for all and better education for everyone".

Meh...

The arc is no less two dimensional than the contrived linear left/right Hegelean model.

True. But I think viewing it as an arc is more realistic than a line, because the more extreme you get, the closer the parties become, both seeking to dominate the populous, requiring a bigger government/military , and totalitarian laws.

 

[Wiseacre]

Well I don't know ... Hitler's Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state with full control over the populace, in other words big gov't. About as big as you can get without actually owning the means of production (socialism) or owning everything (communism). And big gov't is a left wing ideal, no? The Nazis didn't own it, but they damn sure did control it and that is not what the right wingers want.

I don't know. Right wingers seem to love big government when we are telling other countries what we want them to do. They love big government when it's about regulating who can get married, or what can be seen on TV. In other words, they love big government when it suits them.

When it comes to foreign policy and telling or coercing other countries to do what we want 'em to do, I'm not seeing a great deal of difference between the left and right. Who is it that's been dropping bombs from drones over the past few years, much more than Bush did? RWers do want a stronger military and intel community for national security reasons, but that's not the same as using it to acquire land and resources.

Everybody loves big gov't when it suits them, but I think most people would agree that in general the left is more interested in regulating our lives than the right is. It's true that in some areas like abortion and gay rights, which translates into less gov't intrusion/regulation, the left favors less rather than more. But they are also for more intrusion/regulation when it comes to gun laws, diet, and the environment. And of course business and the economy, it is undeniable that the liberals want far more control than do the conservatives. Right or wrong, I think it's fair to say that the left wants more gov't control than the right does, and taken to extremes on the right it's hard to conceive that you end up with a totalitarian state.

 

[Obamanation]

That's because you are only seeing the best qualities of the right and refusing to aknowledge the others.

That's like me saying "those on the left are for equality for all and better education for everyone".

Meh...

The arc is no less two dimensional than the contrived linear left/right Hegelean model.

True. But I think viewing it as an arc is more realistic than a line, because the more extreme you get, the closer the parties become, both seeking to dominate the populous, requiring a bigger government/military , and totalitarian laws.

When you can perceive in more than 3 dimensions -- then you can conceive plotting political ideology.

 

[Wiseacre]

The more extreme you get the bigger government gets, on both sides.

Not getting it Amy, those on the right are for smaller and less intrusive govt with less regulation, while those on the left are for the opposite. So how does a person on the right get to a totalitarian state if he/she wants less and less gov't intervention and regulation?

That's because you are only seeing the best qualities of the right and refusing to aknowledge the others.

That's like me saying "those on the left are for equality for all and better education for everyone".

I am aware of the foibles of the right, but what I am not seeing is how a person who wants less govt intervention ends up with a fascist govt if that ideology is taken to extremes.

 

[Oddball]

That's because you are only seeing the best qualities of the right and refusing to aknowledge the others.

That's like me saying "those on the left are for equality for all and better education for everyone".

Meh...

The arc is no less two dimensional than the contrived linear left/right Hegelean model.

True. But I think viewing it as an arc is more realistic than a line, because the more extreme you get, the closer the parties become, both seeking to dominate the populous, requiring a bigger government/military , and totalitarian laws.

It's not realistic because it's two dimensional.

Communism, the far, far, far, far, left: Economic central planning, military dictatorship, a brutal police state, social stratification via political affiliation, propaganda as "news", internment/concentration camps/gulags for political dissenters and other "undesirables".

Fascism, the (allegedly) far, far, far, right: Economic central planning, military dictatorship, a brutal police state, social stratification via political affiliation, propaganda as "news", internment/concentration camps/gulags for political dissenters and other "undesirables".

The trifling differences in the forms of centralized authoritarian collectivist mindsets viz. the dumbed-down left/right crapola is a bunch of academic navel gazing.

 

[Circe]

Circe -

I'm a bit confused by your post - are you suggesting that Hitler wasn't as bad as people now say he was?

If so - may I poltely suggest it might be time for a visit to Birkenau?

I'm saying what I said. I'm bored with the demonizing, it's been going on too long and is simple state and Jewish propaganda. There are other aspects to experience than constantly being propagandized decade after decade. It's been 70 years. Enough! I'm much more interested in history. That is a valid perspective from which to consider all these issues.

I've toured Dachau, I don't need to visit Birkenau.

 

[Circe]

I have no issue when calling out a figure on the totalitarian right. As stated before, Genghis Khan being a prime example. Brutal, demanded compliance, his law was divine, etc. BUT, let conquered lands worship, produce and work as or how they choose as long as their 'donations', loyalty, worship, etc was to Khan's empire

No, that's inaccurate. Genghis Khan was simply authoritarian.

If he let conquered lands do as they liked as long as they paid tribute and lip service, that is the very opposite of totalitarianism.

Totalitarianism grew out of the French Revolution/Napoleon concept of "Total War," in which the entire populace would be involved in any war: men, women, children, old and young. This later became totalitarianism when Hitler and Stalin and others put it into practice in peace time and controlled the citizens in every aspect of their life, from cradle to grave. So children had to join Hitler Youth, young men had summer camps for training, churches were controlled, business was controlled, etc. That is totalitarianism, when everyone has to be controlled in all of their lives for the good of the state.