How we know Hitler was right wing.

[g5000]

More LEFT WINGERS!!!

 

[Pogo]

Prior coming to this board, I had never heard anyone suggest Hitler was anything but right wing. This may be something to do with living in Europe where the awareness of fascism is so very high because it occured here, or maybe it's something our education system focuses on. Or maybe coincidence.

Either way, recently I've noticed two posters recently insist Hitler was left wing....and even liberal.

Here is SSDD:

Hitler's government was called right wing by communists and socialists of the time, but his governemnt was still socialist. It consisted of a large and powerful central authority which is, by definition, not a conservative, or classically lberal government

Right wing and left wing are two wings of the same house and the house is socialism.

In cases like this, I am not sure facts have a great deal of impact, but maybe it is interesting to discuss some of the features of Fascism anyway.

Let's start with some quotes from Hitler:

"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."

"The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism."

"In the years 1913 and 1914, I… expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."

"In the economic sphere Communism is analogous to democracy in the political sphere."

"The Marxists will march with democracy until they succeed in indirectly obtaining for their criminal aims the support of even the national intellectual world, destined by them for extinction."

"Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."

"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."

Myth: Hitler was a leftist

Yes Hitler was an anti-capitalist modern leftist who combined nationalism with socialism as opposed to the international socialism advocated by communists (who knew that communism/socialism cannot work unless liberty/freedom is squashed and the free market destroyed worldwide). He killed Jews because he believed them to be capitalist exploiters of German wealth. The only way for Nazism to work is via collective means with the workers of Germany uniting in common cause. German industry was both nationalized, and anything that wasn't, was regulated to the point that it was by default nationalized. He implemented eugenics programs, used environmentalism to attack commerce, disarmed his population, and was a creature of the workers movement. The hammer and sickle presided with Nazi symbols just as they did in the USSR. If you want to label him a fascist then fine, label him a fascist. But fascism is nothing other than cheap socialism which is why Mussolini was a socialist before the party turned their back on his aspirations. In any case, both Nazi's and Fascists identify themselves as leftists.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCDeSx4zBPw]NAZI National Socialist German Workers Party - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGDks_s9sU]Hitler admits he's a leftist Socialist - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5vUo1eJyBc]Nazism and Communism (The Soviet Story) - YouTube[/ame]

Horse shit.

Deliberate obfuscation of what the word "socialist" means (versus what it meant in Europe a century ago) is a transparent bullshit tactic. And ignorance of what the völkisch movement was serves the shit shovel.

The German Workers' Party (DAP), forerunner of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was (emphasis added)...

...founded out of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[7] Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements in Germany became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.[8] Arthur Moeller van den Bruck of the Conservative Revolutionary movement coined the term "Third Reich",[9] and advocated an ideology combining the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left.[10] Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis.[11] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[12]

...Felix Graf von Bothmer, a prominent supporter of the concept of "national socialism"... declared to the movement his conception of socialism as involving "the identification of the individual with his community, in devotion and service to an organic whole, the nation".[28][29]

(Note - this is why we keep noting the operative word in the term "national socialism" is national.)

(continuing, Nazi Party)
>>From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the newly formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). <<

The term "socialism" was newly coined and in flux at the time:

>> The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[16] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[16] <<


And bullshit on top of bullshit:
"disarmed the population" - wrong again, which is why you can link to no proof thereof;
"was a creature of the workers movement" - more bullshit. Hitler was a creature of the militarism movement, antisemitism and the push against the Treaty of Versailles. He pandered to the worker only as far as it was necessary to grab the reins of power.

As your own video (top one) noted:
"Hitler has no coherent ideas or thoughts. Hitler is a dangerous madman. He's arrived at this point by following the wartime ideology to the letter".

Nice try but sometimes a bullshit cigar is just a bullshit cigar.

 

[Publius1787]

Prior coming to this board, I had never heard anyone suggest Hitler was anything but right wing. This may be something to do with living in Europe where the awareness of fascism is so very high because it occured here, or maybe it's something our education system focuses on. Or maybe coincidence.

Either way, recently I've noticed two posters recently insist Hitler was left wing....and even liberal.

Here is SSDD:






In cases like this, I am not sure facts have a great deal of impact, but maybe it is interesting to discuss some of the features of Fascism anyway.

Let's start with some quotes from Hitler:

"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."

"The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism."

"In the years 1913 and 1914, I… expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."

"In the economic sphere Communism is analogous to democracy in the political sphere."

"The Marxists will march with democracy until they succeed in indirectly obtaining for their criminal aims the support of even the national intellectual world, destined by them for extinction."

"Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."

"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."

Myth: Hitler was a leftist

Yes Hitler was an anti-capitalist modern leftist who combined nationalism with socialism as opposed to the international socialism advocated by communists (who knew that communism/socialism cannot work unless liberty/freedom is squashed and the free market destroyed worldwide). He killed Jews because he believed them to be capitalist exploiters of German wealth. The only way for Nazism to work is via collective means with the workers of Germany uniting in common cause. German industry was both nationalized, and anything that wasn't, was regulated to the point that it was by default nationalized. He implemented eugenics programs, used environmentalism to attack commerce, disarmed his population, and was a creature of the workers movement. The hammer and sickle presided with Nazi symbols just as they did in the USSR. If you want to label him a fascist then fine, label him a fascist. But fascism is nothing other than cheap socialism which is why Mussolini was a socialist before the party turned their back on his aspirations. In any case, both Nazi's and Fascists identify themselves as leftists.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCDeSx4zBPw]NAZI National Socialist German Workers Party - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGDks_s9sU]Hitler admits he's a leftist Socialist - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5vUo1eJyBc]Nazism and Communism (The Soviet Story) - YouTube[/ame]

Horse shit.

Deliberate obfuscation of what the word "socialist" means (versus what it meant in Europe a century ago) is a transparent bullshit tactic. And ignorance of what the volkisch movement was serves the shit shovel.

The German Workers' Party (DAP), forerunner of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was...

...founded out of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[7] Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements in Germany became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.[8] Arthur Moeller van den Bruck of the Conservative Revolutionary movement coined the term "Third Reich",[9] and advocated an ideology combining the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left.[10] Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis.[11] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[12]

...Felix Graf von Bothmer, a prominent supporter of the concept of "national socialism"... declared to the movement his conception of socialism as involving "the identification of the individual with his community, in devotion and service to an organic whole, the nation".[28][29]

(Note - this is why we keep noting the operative word in the term "national socialism" is national.)

(continuing, Nazi Party)
>>From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the newly formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). <<

The term "socialism" was newly coined and in flux at the time:

>> The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[16] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[16] <<


And bullshit on top of bullshit:
"disarmed the population" - wrong again, which is why you can link to no proof thereof;
"was a creature of the workers movement" - more bullshit. Hitler was a creature of the militarism movement, antisemitism and the push against the Treaty of Versailles. He pandered to the worker only as far as it was necessary to grab the reins of power.

As your own video (top one) noted:
"Hitler has no coherent ideas or thoughts. Hitler is a dangerous madman. He's arrived at this point by following the wartime ideology to the letter".

Nice try but sometimes a bullshit cigar is just a bullshit cigar.

THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKERS’ PARTY
The Program of the German Workers’ Party is a program for our time. The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.
1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.
2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the Peace Treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.
4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.
5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.
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6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We
therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether
it is a national, state, or local office.
7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment
first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire
population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled
from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all
non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the
Reich without delay.
9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work.
Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued
within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
3
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
20. In order to make higher education—and thereby entry into leading positions—available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latter’s position or occupation.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.
23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:
a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;
b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;
c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breech of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved. Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race. The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a
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permanent revival of our Nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of:
Public Interest before Private Interest.
25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central autority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.
The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.
Munich, February 24, 1920.

 

[bucs90]

Almost 900 responses trying to prove which of today's political movements is most like Hitler??? God damn our society is so screwed.

How about this: Hitler was white, and a man also. So lets be sure we never elect another white man.

Sounds just as stupid, doesnt it?

 

[Oddball]

Yes Hitler was an anti-capitalist modern leftist who combined nationalism with socialism as opposed to the international socialism advocated by communists (who knew that communism/socialism cannot work unless liberty/freedom is squashed and the free market destroyed worldwide). He killed Jews because he believed them to be capitalist exploiters of German wealth. The only way for Nazism to work is via collective means with the workers of Germany uniting in common cause. German industry was both nationalized, and anything that wasn't, was regulated to the point that it was by default nationalized. He implemented eugenics programs, used environmentalism to attack commerce, disarmed his population, and was a creature of the workers movement. The hammer and sickle presided with Nazi symbols just as they did in the USSR. If you want to label him a fascist then fine, label him a fascist. But fascism is nothing other than cheap socialism which is why Mussolini was a socialist before the party turned their back on his aspirations. In any case, both Nazi's and Fascists identify themselves as leftists.

NAZI National Socialist German Workers Party - YouTube
Hitler admits he's a leftist Socialist - YouTube
Nazism and Communism (The Soviet Story) - YouTube

Horse shit.

Deliberate obfuscation of what the word "socialist" means (versus what it meant in Europe a century ago) is a transparent bullshit tactic. And ignorance of what the volkisch movement was serves the shit shovel.

The German Workers' Party (DAP), forerunner of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was...

...founded out of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[7] Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements in Germany became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.[8] Arthur Moeller van den Bruck of the Conservative Revolutionary movement coined the term "Third Reich",[9] and advocated an ideology combining the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left.[10] Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis.[11] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[12]

...Felix Graf von Bothmer, a prominent supporter of the concept of "national socialism"... declared to the movement his conception of socialism as involving "the identification of the individual with his community, in devotion and service to an organic whole, the nation".[28][29]

(Note - this is why we keep noting the operative word in the term "national socialism" is national.)

(continuing, Nazi Party)
>>From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the newly formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). <<

The term "socialism" was newly coined and in flux at the time:

>> The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[16] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[16] <<


And bullshit on top of bullshit:
"disarmed the population" - wrong again, which is why you can link to no proof thereof;
"was a creature of the workers movement" - more bullshit. Hitler was a creature of the militarism movement, antisemitism and the push against the Treaty of Versailles. He pandered to the worker only as far as it was necessary to grab the reins of power.

As your own video (top one) noted:
"Hitler has no coherent ideas or thoughts. Hitler is a dangerous madman. He's arrived at this point by following the wartime ideology to the letter".

Nice try but sometimes a bullshit cigar is just a bullshit cigar.

THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKERS&#8217; PARTY
The Program of the German Workers&#8217; Party is a program for our time. The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.

<snip>

^^^
Posted the salient points of that earlier.

Reads like a paraphrased Communist Manifesto.

 

[Pogo]

More LEFT WINGERS!!!

Take it, kids!

-- just to fuck with the simpletons' minds. Let 'em chew on that a while

 

[Publius1787]

Horse shit.

Deliberate obfuscation of what the word "socialist" means (versus what it meant in Europe a century ago) is a transparent bullshit tactic. And ignorance of what the volkisch movement was serves the shit shovel.

The German Workers' Party (DAP), forerunner of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was...

...founded out of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[7] Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements in Germany became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.[8] Arthur Moeller van den Bruck of the Conservative Revolutionary movement coined the term "Third Reich",[9] and advocated an ideology combining the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left.[10] Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis.[11] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[12]

...Felix Graf von Bothmer, a prominent supporter of the concept of "national socialism"... declared to the movement his conception of socialism as involving "the identification of the individual with his community, in devotion and service to an organic whole, the nation".[28][29]

(Note - this is why we keep noting the operative word in the term "national socialism" is national.)

(continuing, Nazi Party)
>>From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the newly formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). <<

The term "socialism" was newly coined and in flux at the time:

>> The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[16] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[16] <<


And bullshit on top of bullshit:
"disarmed the population" - wrong again, which is why you can link to no proof thereof;
"was a creature of the workers movement" - more bullshit. Hitler was a creature of the militarism movement, antisemitism and the push against the Treaty of Versailles. He pandered to the worker only as far as it was necessary to grab the reins of power.

As your own video (top one) noted:
"Hitler has no coherent ideas or thoughts. Hitler is a dangerous madman. He's arrived at this point by following the wartime ideology to the letter".

Nice try but sometimes a bullshit cigar is just a bullshit cigar.

THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKERS&#8217; PARTY
The Program of the German Workers&#8217; Party is a program for our time. The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.

<snip>

^^^
Posted the salient points of that earlier.

Reads like a paraphrased Communist Manifesto.

The entire program revolves around economic empowerment via state means whereas the people would form a union as to grant priority of employment to themselves. A total abandonment of the capitalist free market. Jews are viewed as capitalist pigs and the racism therin was derrived from dehumanizing those who would compete for labor. Just like the Communist/Socialist/Progressive founded American Unions of the late late/early 19th-20th century, who, eventually adopted immigrant/black labor late in the 20th only to swell their ranks in order to bring about a socialist state.

 

[Pogo]

Yes Hitler was an anti-capitalist modern leftist who combined nationalism with socialism as opposed to the international socialism advocated by communists (who knew that communism/socialism cannot work unless liberty/freedom is squashed and the free market destroyed worldwide). He killed Jews because he believed them to be capitalist exploiters of German wealth. The only way for Nazism to work is via collective means with the workers of Germany uniting in common cause. German industry was both nationalized, and anything that wasn't, was regulated to the point that it was by default nationalized. He implemented eugenics programs, used environmentalism to attack commerce, disarmed his population, and was a creature of the workers movement. The hammer and sickle presided with Nazi symbols just as they did in the USSR. If you want to label him a fascist then fine, label him a fascist. But fascism is nothing other than cheap socialism which is why Mussolini was a socialist before the party turned their back on his aspirations. In any case, both Nazi's and Fascists identify themselves as leftists.

NAZI National Socialist German Workers Party - YouTube
Hitler admits he's a leftist Socialist - YouTube
Nazism and Communism (The Soviet Story) - YouTube

Horse shit.

Deliberate obfuscation of what the word "socialist" means (versus what it meant in Europe a century ago) is a transparent bullshit tactic. And ignorance of what the volkisch movement was serves the shit shovel.

The German Workers' Party (DAP), forerunner of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was...

...founded out of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[7] Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements in Germany became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.[8] Arthur Moeller van den Bruck of the Conservative Revolutionary movement coined the term "Third Reich",[9] and advocated an ideology combining the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left.[10] Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis.[11] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[12]

...Felix Graf von Bothmer, a prominent supporter of the concept of "national socialism"... declared to the movement his conception of socialism as involving "the identification of the individual with his community, in devotion and service to an organic whole, the nation".[28][29]

(Note - this is why we keep noting the operative word in the term "national socialism" is national.)

(continuing, Nazi Party)
>>From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the newly formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). <<

The term "socialism" was newly coined and in flux at the time:

>> The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[16] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[16] <<


And bullshit on top of bullshit:
"disarmed the population" - wrong again, which is why you can link to no proof thereof;
"was a creature of the workers movement" - more bullshit. Hitler was a creature of the militarism movement, antisemitism and the push against the Treaty of Versailles. He pandered to the worker only as far as it was necessary to grab the reins of power.

As your own video (top one) noted:
"Hitler has no coherent ideas or thoughts. Hitler is a dangerous madman. He's arrived at this point by following the wartime ideology to the letter".

Nice try but sometimes a bullshit cigar is just a bullshit cigar.

THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKERS’ PARTY
The Program of the German Workers’ Party is a program for our time. The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.
1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.
2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the Peace Treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.
4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.
5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.
2
6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We
therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether
it is a national, state, or local office.
7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment
first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire
population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled
from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all
non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the
Reich without delay.
9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work.
Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued
within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
3
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
20. In order to make higher education—and thereby entry into leading positions—available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latter’s position or occupation.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.
23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:
a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;
b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;
c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breech of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved. Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race. The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a
4
permanent revival of our Nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of:
Public Interest before Private Interest.
25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central autority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.
The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.
Munich, February 24, 1920.

So.............. you're using as the basis of your argument, a Nazi propaganda sheet that demonstrates what I just said about pandering to the worker class.
Because as we all know, Nazis were the most honest guys ever.

: ​

Nothing like a "credible source" huh?

 

[Publius1787]

Horse shit.

Deliberate obfuscation of what the word "socialist" means (versus what it meant in Europe a century ago) is a transparent bullshit tactic. And ignorance of what the volkisch movement was serves the shit shovel.

The German Workers' Party (DAP), forerunner of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was...

...founded out of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[7] Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements in Germany became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism.[8] Arthur Moeller van den Bruck of the Conservative Revolutionary movement coined the term "Third Reich",[9] and advocated an ideology combining the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left.[10] Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis.[11] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[12]

...Felix Graf von Bothmer, a prominent supporter of the concept of "national socialism"... declared to the movement his conception of socialism as involving "the identification of the individual with his community, in devotion and service to an organic whole, the nation".[28][29]

(Note - this is why we keep noting the operative word in the term "national socialism" is national.)

(continuing, Nazi Party)
>>From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the newly formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). <<

The term "socialism" was newly coined and in flux at the time:

>> The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[16] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[16] <<


And bullshit on top of bullshit:
"disarmed the population" - wrong again, which is why you can link to no proof thereof;
"was a creature of the workers movement" - more bullshit. Hitler was a creature of the militarism movement, antisemitism and the push against the Treaty of Versailles. He pandered to the worker only as far as it was necessary to grab the reins of power.

As your own video (top one) noted:
"Hitler has no coherent ideas or thoughts. Hitler is a dangerous madman. He's arrived at this point by following the wartime ideology to the letter".

Nice try but sometimes a bullshit cigar is just a bullshit cigar.

THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKERS&#8217; PARTY
The Program of the German Workers&#8217; Party is a program for our time. The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.
1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.
2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the Peace Treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.
4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.
5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.
2
6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We
therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether
it is a national, state, or local office.
7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment
first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire
population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled
from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all
non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the
Reich without delay.
9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work.
Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued
within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
3
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
20. In order to make higher education&#8212;and thereby entry into leading positions&#8212;available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latter&#8217;s position or occupation.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.
23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:
a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;
b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;
c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breech of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved. Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race. The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a
4
permanent revival of our Nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of:
Public Interest before Private Interest.
25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central autority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.
The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.
Munich, February 24, 1920.

So.............. you're using as the basis of your argument, a Nazi propaganda sheet that demonstrates what I just said about pandering to the worker class.
Because as we all know, Nazis were the most honest guys ever.

: ​

Nothing like a "credible source" huh?

Oh, its pandering now? Lemmie guess, all the other communist/socialist dictatorships were pandering as well? Forget it. Socialism/Communism all eventually end up as dictatorships for the same reasons inherent in their flaws. Say what you will about Hitler, he accomplished most, if not all, of his program; leading to disaster of course. No amount of smileies in the world can give you the artificial self comfort to overcome the inherent truth. That why I love a good smilie icon. They are used for the comfort of the poster in their moments of self doubt. Laughing when you are not, clapping when you are not, and all the rest, are just a means of diplaying an emotion of which is absent of the poster as if those emotions add credence to their argument. Imagine a guy giving you a false laugh while debating you as to shake off the facts. The same applies here.

 

[g5000]

More LEFT WINGERS!!!

Take it, kids!

-- just to fuck with the simpletons' minds. Let 'em chew on that a while

Wow. You have your blinders on really, really tight, eh?

You seriously believe a redneck confederate Nazi is a left winger?

Folks, I'm afraid we are looking at genuine mental retardation here.

 

[Pogo]

THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST (NAZI) GERMAN WORKERS’ PARTY
The Program of the German Workers’ Party is a program for our time. The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.
1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.
2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the Peace Treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.
4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.
5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.
2
6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We
therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether
it is a national, state, or local office.
7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment
first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire
population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled
from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all
non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the
Reich without delay.
9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work.
Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued
within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
3
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
20. In order to make higher education—and thereby entry into leading positions—available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latter’s position or occupation.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.
23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:
a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;
b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;
c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breech of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved. Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race. The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a
4
permanent revival of our Nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of:
Public Interest before Private Interest.
25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central autority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.
The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.
Munich, February 24, 1920.

So.............. you're using as the basis of your argument, a Nazi propaganda sheet that demonstrates what I just said about pandering to the worker class.
Because as we all know, Nazis were the most honest guys ever.

: ​

Nothing like a "credible source" huh?

Oh, its pandering now? Lemmie guess, all the other communist/socialist dictatorships were pandering as well? Forget it. Socialism/Communism all eventually end up as dictatorships for the same reasons inherent in their flaws.

Cripes, you are new to this, aren't you?

Yes, political propaganda is pandering. Any political propaganda. You've just made the argument that "here's proof of what they were because they said it about themselves". Hey, what could possibly be more honest than the propaganda put out by an upstart political party looking for popular support? And besides, what would the Nazis know about the art of propaganda anyway?

(You do know what "sarcasm" is I hope?)

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well let's see... Papageorgio at least figured out how to turn tail and run when confronted to cut his losses. You on the other hand doubled down on your own fallacious logic with the "urine" thing.

You tell me which one is more funny, in a pathos-riddled way...

ROFL

Keep dancing, retard..

"Hitler = Obama = Esmerelda". Hence "Hitler = Esmerelda".
Diga me, what else can you possibly get out of that?? Ain't rocket surgery.

 

[g5000]

More LEFT WINGERS!!!

Take it, kids!

-- just to fuck with the simpletons' minds. Let 'em chew on that a while

I keep forgetting how ignorant of history you fools are. The whole "Nazis are left wing" thing is a dead giveaway, but still, I forget.

Anyway, the salute those kids are making was used during the pledge of allegiance a long time ago. It was replaced by the hand over the heart salute precisely BECAUSE THE NAZIS TOOK IT FOR THEMSELVES.

Dumbass.


So go ahead. Take a good look at the Nazi saluting with the confederate flags all around and dig yourself deeper and tell us Nazis are left wing.

Goddam, you people are HILARIOUS!

 

[Publius1787]

So.............. you're using as the basis of your argument, a Nazi propaganda sheet that demonstrates what I just said about pandering to the worker class.
Because as we all know, Nazis were the most honest guys ever.

: ​

Nothing like a "credible source" huh?

Oh, its pandering now? Lemmie guess, all the other communist/socialist dictatorships were pandering as well? Forget it. Socialism/Communism all eventually end up as dictatorships for the same reasons inherent in their flaws.

Cripes, you are new to this, aren't you?

Yes, political propaganda is pandering. Any political propaganda. You've just made the argument that "here's proof of what they were because they said it about themselves". Hey, what could possibly be more honest than the propaganda put out by an upstart political party looking for popular support? And besides, what would the Nazis know about the art of propaganda anyway?

(You do know what "sarcasm" is I hope?)

Say what you will about Hitler, he accomplished most, if not all, of his program; leading to disaster of course. Not bad for a panderer! The worst thing about the rise of Hitler is that he told us exactly what he was going to do. And the left loved him for it to the point to praising him in the 1930's.

No amount of smilies in the world can give you the artificial self comfort to overcome the inherent truth. That why I love a good smilie icon. They are used for the comfort of the poster in their moments of self doubt. Laughing when you are not, clapping when you are not, and all the rest, are just a means of diplaying an emotion of which is absent of the poster as if those emotions add credence to their argument. Imagine a guy giving you a false laugh while debating you as to shake off the facts. The same applies here.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Amazing how a short period of time, and the internet, can turn someone into an expert.

The same guy that posted this:

More LEFT WINGERS!!!

Take it, kids!

-- just to fuck with the simpletons' minds. Let 'em chew on that a while

Wow. You have your blinders on really, really tight, eh?

You seriously believe a redneck confederate Nazi is a left winger?

Folks, I'm afraid we are looking at genuine mental retardation here.

Posted this:

More LEFT WINGERS!!!

Take it, kids!

-- just to fuck with the simpletons' minds. Let 'em chew on that a while

I keep forgetting how ignorant of history you fools are. The whole "Nazis are left wing" thing is a dead giveaway, but still, I forget.

Anyway, the salute those kids are making was used during the pledge of allegiance a long time ago. It was replaced by the hand over the heart salute precisely BECAUSE THE NAZIS TOOK IT FOR THEMSELVES.

Dumbass.


So go ahead. Take a good look at the Nazi saluting with the confederate flags all around and dig yourself deeper and tell us Nazis are left wing.

Goddam, you people are HILARIOUS!

 

[g5000]

Yet more LEFT WINGERS!

You idiots have clearly allowed some maniac to write on your small blank slates one of the stupidest memes ever invented and there is no more room left.

My time is valuable. Spending any more of it on morons is like giving you free money.

 

[Uncensored2008]

1,000 is a positive number.

250 is a positive number.

0.0125 is a positive number.

If we apply your logic to those statements 1,000=250=0.0125.

Pogo is mentally retarded.

But gawdamned if he isn't funny...

 

[g5000]

The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". During the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazis adopted salutes which were similar in form, resulting in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Nice try, idiot.

 

[g5000]

Heil Obama!

 

[mal]

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peace...