Huckabee is still lying about the “fairtax”

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During the first presidential debate Mike Huckabee once again touted the fairtax proposal, and once again Mike Huckabee has lied about the “fairtax” (see H.R.25 - FairTax Act of 2015. Unfortunately our media personalities will not ask him to support his contentions about the fairtax
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Huckabee alleges the fairtax would close down the IRS and would replace our current system with a consumption tax. But the truth is, when one takes the time to actually read and study the fairtax legislation, quite the contrary is true.

The fair tax proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon the sale of articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

In fact, Huckabee’s fairtax would create two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau, in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive which will also be collecting taxes.

It should also be noted that under Huckabee’s “fairtax” ordinary working people who dare to sell the property they have in their own labor are required to register with the federal government and file federal fairtax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a freaken year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up, not to mention the threat of audits which will constantly haunt them.

It should also be noted Huckabee’s fairtax proposes to create a new entitlement called the “FAMILY CONSUMPTION ALLOWANCE” under which qualified families will receive a monthly check to pay for a rationed amount of tax free necessities of life, which in turn would make a whole new block of voters with limited economic means extremely dependent upon the federal government for a monthly subsistence check!

If Mike Huckabee were sincere in wanting to force Congress to move to a consumption tax, and end all federal taxes calculated from profits, gains and other lawfully earned “incomes”, and he really wanted to close down the IRS, he would be promoting the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which begins with the following 32 words:


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Those words would in fact force Congress to return to a consumption based tax system (imposts, duties and excise taxes), and would actually end all federal taxes calculated from lawfully earned profits, gains and other "incomes"!

JWK




“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
 
Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.
 
Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK
 
Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK
Well, they never intended to let non-whites become citizens either. So perhaps founding fathers' intent is not the best metric.
 
Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK
Well, they never intended to let non-whites become citizens either. So perhaps founding fathers' intent is not the best metric.

Go play with yourself. Your adolescent comments are not appreciated.


JWK
 
Huckabee is not going to win. What is the point of talking about a guy who thinks he has the right to usurp the SCOTUS and interpret the constitution his way.

What good is he. He isn't a conservative, re is a reactionary.
 
I think rand Paul's tax would be better. It's an end to the personal income tax. Only businesses and corporations would pay it.
 
During the first presidential debate Mike Huckabee once again touted the fairtax proposal, and once again Mike Huckabee has lied about the “fairtax” (see H.R.25 - FairTax Act of 2015. Unfortunately our media personalities will not ask him to support his contentions about the fairtax
.
Huckabee alleges the fairtax would close down the IRS and would replace our current system with a consumption tax. But the truth is, when one takes the time to actually read and study the fairtax legislation, quite the contrary is true.

The fair tax proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon the sale of articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

In fact, Huckabee’s fairtax would create two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau, in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive which will also be collecting taxes.

It should also be noted that under Huckabee’s “fairtax” ordinary working people who dare to sell the property they have in their own labor are required to register with the federal government and file federal fairtax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a freaken year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up, not to mention the threat of audits which will constantly haunt them.

It should also be noted Huckabee’s fairtax proposes to create a new entitlement called the “FAMILY CONSUMPTION ALLOWANCE” under which qualified families will receive a monthly check to pay for a rationed amount of tax free necessities of life, which in turn would make a whole new block of voters with limited economic means extremely dependent upon the federal government for a monthly subsistence check!

If Mike Huckabee were sincere in wanting to force Congress to move to a consumption tax, and end all federal taxes calculated from profits, gains and other lawfully earned “incomes”, and he really wanted to close down the IRS, he would be promoting the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which begins with the following 32 words:


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Those words would in fact force Congress to return to a consumption based tax system (imposts, duties and excise taxes), and would actually end all federal taxes calculated from lawfully earned profits, gains and other "incomes"!

JWK




“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
You just told a whopper of a lie yourself in this post.

I will wait to see if anyone else spots it.
 
Rand Paul only supports our Constitution when it suites his own purpose!


During last night’s debate Rand Paul babbled on and on to Governor Christie how he supports our Constitution. But when it comes to Rand Paul and tax reform he ignores the very purpose for which the rule of apportionment was put into our Constitution.

Rand Paul's flat tax on incomes seeks out the most productive hard working citizens and business owners and would have them finance the Washington Establishment's wastfull and often unconstitutional expenditures, while allowing the least productive citizens to not pay an equal share, or any share at all! The rule of apportionment was intended to provide protection against Rand Paul's type of tax tyranny. Under the rule of apportionment and whenever Congress decided to tax the people directly, as could happen under a capitation tax, it was to be an equal per capita type of tax, and not an unequal tax in which the most productive citizens would be forced to contribute and unequal share. But what are we to expect from a wet-behind-the-ears little squirt like Rand Paul?

Does this not expose Rand Paul for the hypocrite he is, and who, like most of our politicians in Washington, is unwilling to offer real tax reform which begins with the following 32 words?



“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


JWK



Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?
 
So you cannot dispute the claim. So all you can do is insult.
Seems you are the true adolescent.

Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK
Well, they never intended to let non-whites become citizens either. So perhaps founding fathers' intent is not the best metric.

Go play with yourself. Your adolescent comments are not appreciated.


JWK
 
Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK

Sorry, I never heard him mention HR 25 and the tax he propose was 19%, ever thought he has a different plan?
 
So you cannot dispute the claim. So all you can do is insult.
Seems you are the true adolescent.

Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK
Well, they never intended to let non-whites become citizens either. So perhaps founding fathers' intent is not the best metric.

Go play with yourself. Your adolescent comments are not appreciated.


JWK

Your adolescent comment has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.


JWK
 
Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK

Sorry, I never heard him mention HR 25 and the tax he propose was 19%, ever thought he has a different plan?

I have been following Huckabee's support for the "fairtax" for many years now and have challenged him on numerous occasions to defend it. He refuses to acknowledge my emails or letters to him. I also sent a copy of "Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan".

But see: Chairman s Report - July 17 2015 FAIRtax.org

- Vote for FAIRtax on PopVox: HR25
- Vote for FAIRtax on PopVox: S155 - See more at: The FAIRtax Toolbox FAIRtax.org

"We are excited that Mike Huckabee is promoting the FAIRtax all across the country."

Mike Huckabee refuses to fully inform the people what the fairtax would really do, or how it violates our Constitution's rule of apportionment


JWK




Are we really to believe the founder of fairtax.org., Leo E. Linbeck Jr. and Herman Cain, both former ringleaders of the federal reserve banking cartel which plunders our national treasury?

 
During the first presidential debate Mike Huckabee once again touted the fairtax proposal, and once again Mike Huckabee has lied about the “fairtax” (see H.R.25 - FairTax Act of 2015. Unfortunately our media personalities will not ask him to support his contentions about the fairtax
.
Huckabee alleges the fairtax would close down the IRS and would replace our current system with a consumption tax. But the truth is, when one takes the time to actually read and study the fairtax legislation, quite the contrary is true.

The fair tax proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon the sale of articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

In fact, Huckabee’s fairtax would create two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau, in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive which will also be collecting taxes.

It should also be noted that under Huckabee’s “fairtax” ordinary working people who dare to sell the property they have in their own labor are required to register with the federal government and file federal fairtax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a freaken year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up, not to mention the threat of audits which will constantly haunt them.

It should also be noted Huckabee’s fairtax proposes to create a new entitlement called the “FAMILY CONSUMPTION ALLOWANCE” under which qualified families will receive a monthly check to pay for a rationed amount of tax free necessities of life, which in turn would make a whole new block of voters with limited economic means extremely dependent upon the federal government for a monthly subsistence check!

If Mike Huckabee were sincere in wanting to force Congress to move to a consumption tax, and end all federal taxes calculated from profits, gains and other lawfully earned “incomes”, and he really wanted to close down the IRS, he would be promoting the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which begins with the following 32 words:


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Those words would in fact force Congress to return to a consumption based tax system (imposts, duties and excise taxes), and would actually end all federal taxes calculated from lawfully earned profits, gains and other "incomes"!

JWK




“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

the huckster is a big government progressive
 
I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the Fair Tax plan, but I don't think Huckabee would sign a fair tax that was exactly like the one being proposed by the Fair Tax group. He has hinted that there are some things about the plan that he would alter.

As a governor who had to deal with an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature, Huckabee compiled a pretty solidly conservative fiscal record, all things considered.

The Facts About Mike Huckabee s Record
 
Beg to differ.

So you cannot dispute the claim. So all you can do is insult.
Seems you are the true adolescent.

Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK
Well, they never intended to let non-whites become citizens either. So perhaps founding fathers' intent is not the best metric.

Go play with yourself. Your adolescent comments are not appreciated.


JWK

Your adolescent comment has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.


JWK
 
Beg to differ.

So you cannot dispute the claim. So all you can do is insult.
Seems you are the true adolescent.

Our founding fathers never intended to have Congress tax the necessities of life, but that is exactly what Huckabee's fairtax would do in addition to keeping alive Congress' power to lay and collect Excise taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK
Well, they never intended to let non-whites become citizens either. So perhaps founding fathers' intent is not the best metric.

Go play with yourself. Your adolescent comments are not appreciated.


JWK

Your adolescent comment has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.


JWK

You can "beg" all you want. You are still wrong!

JWK
 
During the first presidential debate Mike Huckabee once again touted the fairtax proposal, and once again Mike Huckabee has lied about the “fairtax” (see H.R.25 - FairTax Act of 2015. Unfortunately our media personalities will not ask him to support his contentions about the fairtax
.
Huckabee alleges the fairtax would close down the IRS and would replace our current system with a consumption tax. But the truth is, when one takes the time to actually read and study the fairtax legislation, quite the contrary is true.

The fair tax proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon the sale of articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

In fact, Huckabee’s fairtax would create two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau, in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive which will also be collecting taxes.

It should also be noted that under Huckabee’s “fairtax” ordinary working people who dare to sell the property they have in their own labor are required to register with the federal government and file federal fairtax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a freaken year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up, not to mention the threat of audits which will constantly haunt them.

It should also be noted Huckabee’s fairtax proposes to create a new entitlement called the “FAMILY CONSUMPTION ALLOWANCE” under which qualified families will receive a monthly check to pay for a rationed amount of tax free necessities of life, which in turn would make a whole new block of voters with limited economic means extremely dependent upon the federal government for a monthly subsistence check!

If Mike Huckabee were sincere in wanting to force Congress to move to a consumption tax, and end all federal taxes calculated from profits, gains and other lawfully earned “incomes”, and he really wanted to close down the IRS, he would be promoting the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which begins with the following 32 words:


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Those words would in fact force Congress to return to a consumption based tax system (imposts, duties and excise taxes), and would actually end all federal taxes calculated from lawfully earned profits, gains and other "incomes"!

JWK




“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

I hate when people take the fair tax and try to turn it back into what we have now
 
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Huckabee's mention of the FairTax a few times had me yelling at the TV screen last night. His plan to finance America on the backs of the sick, the injured, the aged and the folks paying for the care of those born with special needs is just plain wrong.

Since taxes are already embedded in what we buy, your 2 cents isn't worth 2 cents, you're just wrong
 

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