Human Population Increase and Its Implications

[Unkotare]

The masses that will die from mindless over population (especially when at the moment we know better and could still avoid the menace) will regard us as virtually genocidal in our crime.

"...mindless over population..."

People are lucky to have you to tell when and how frequently to reproduce!!!

I'm certain that the production of an award is underway.

notice how all the whiners refuse to put forth a supposed solution?

Solution to a non-problem?

Of course overpopulation is a problem and will get worse. ...

Wrong, and just the opposite.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The masses that will die from mindless over population (especially when at the moment we know better and could still avoid the menace) will regard us as virtually genocidal in our crime.

"...mindless over population..."

People are lucky to have you to tell when and how frequently to reproduce!!!

I'm certain that the production of an award is underway.

notice how all the whiners refuse to put forth a supposed solution?

Solution to a non-problem?

Of course overpopulation is a problem and will get worse. ...

Wrong, and just the opposite.

well, you are demonstrably incorrect, as all of the evidence shows.

 

[Unkotare]

"...mindless over population..."

People are lucky to have you to tell when and how frequently to reproduce!!!

I'm certain that the production of an award is underway.

notice how all the whiners refuse to put forth a supposed solution?

Solution to a non-problem?

Of course overpopulation is a problem and will get worse. ...

Wrong, and just the opposite.

well, you are demonstrably incorrect, as all of the evidence shows.

The evidence shows that we are nowhere near capacity, and are never likely to be. There is no ‘overpopulation.’

 

[Old Rocks]

petri dish

 

[xband]

People who are so concerned about it that they believe other people are parasites should be the first ones to get themselves and theirs neutered or take the plunge and fully opt out of life. Leave the rest alone though if you think that you are a parasite deal with yourself first.

Human overpopulation was a serious topic for discussion when I was a Senior in High School 48 years ago when US population reached 200 million. The US population is over 300 million today. Thanks to GMO we can feed the overpopulation. GMO (genetic modified organism) is the major topic of discussion today. GMO is shown as a corn ear stuck full of needles in a farmer newspaper. Japanese pay high dollar for non-GMO corn which lowers yield.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think that problem is one of the most underrated problems I've ever seen. So many people just think this is not even a problem but if we keep going like that humanity will be extinct poorly.

For further information you should read that article:
Population Increase and Its Implications

Yeah, this is why the abortion issues in the modern age has completely flipped. But the religious can't get their head around the fact.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communists and socialists like to prate about how they need to kill people to prevent overpopulation.

....and pure Capitalists let people die of starvation and illness, and then say they killed themselves by not working harder. Maybe no system , by itself, is perfect? Hmm, I wonder if we should try something like a "mixed system".... hey, wait a minute...

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

 

[RodISHI]

People who are so concerned about it that they believe other people are parasites should be the first ones to get themselves and theirs neutered or take the plunge and fully opt out of life. Leave the rest alone though if you think that you are a parasite deal with yourself first.

This is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. You know, there is also the option to merely talk about why it is concerning, and let people make their own informed decisions... as rational people blessed with more than just a brain stem are capable of doing, including you and me. You shouldn't cower in fear of ideas like you do.

I don't cower in fears but hey maybe that is what you have already engraved in your head. My position is that people who are willing to destroy others just because they have been given advantage through money, inheritance, or their unrestricted greed have no business telling others that they are the ones that are ruining the planet so they think they must control the populace with their crap like tainted vaccinations and foods that alter other peoples dna without fully informing that "worthless populace" what they are taking in or letting into their bodies.

This is where we can get technical where as an atheist you may understand where I am coming from. You have said you don't believe in God or Jesus Christ and that is your prerogative but those who do believe have given their consent to be altered by the spirit of God and his hosts. It isn't done without consent or acceptance knowing that a change will come. If a preacher cannot give you a full description of what you are going to be giving your consent to be done to you if you are thinking with logic verses faith in that spirit you have a choice not to be altered and you keep your carnal precepts intact and have no choice but to work through whatever comes from that. If a preacher cannot describe what happens or tried to give you some goobered up concocted description without knowledge of how that works and it didn't fit would you just simply accept being changed? Obviously not because you say you are still an atheist. That same theory can be applied to the carnal precepts to the discussion of birth control, altered food products or just about anything that affects us as human beings.

When scientist are putting out junk science in order to promote a product without telling the dangers or minimizing the risk through deceptive word play they need to be kicked very hard in the nutz, Hard enough that they won't ever do it again but that is not what has been taking place as commerce creeps have infiltrated and covered for this type of crap for years. As for me I know when I drink any water with fluoridation or other chemicals in it tears my stomach up. why would I accept a scientist telling me that it is harmless when I already know what it does to me?

Personally I knew after my daughter was born there was no way I was going to spend the rest of my life with the ex. I opted to stay with him and give it a best try for my daughter's sake. I had a lot of time to consider it all and assumed the experience was such a disaster I would never make that mistake again if I could help it if I ever got out of it. Shortly after my son was born asshole got worse an event took place and that was it, done, finished kaput. There was no doubt in my mind I couldn't take care of and raise more than two children on my own so I got fixed. It was the rational thing to do in light of my entire situation. I gave consent to the doc to be altered. Now lets talk about the what if's. If I had went the other scientific route and took pills to be alter would the doc had said, "Hey look these pills to prevent you from getting pregnant are made from horse piss hormones. If you take them you will be altering your hormonal structure which could possibly lead to endocrine issues, mood alterations and other issues for you". No they wouldn't have because doctors are pill pushers. Now I could have listen to an uptight preacher tell me just abstain but that is not even a reasonable request for an eighteen year old that has already been married but is now divorce. The other option would be try to prevent pregnancy through other means like tell the guy to keep his sperm out and I doubted that would be a fail safe method also. Speaking on the subject today females and males both have options such as spermicides, day after pills or even many herbs available that prevent pregnancy.

If anyone is going to determine what is best for another person without their full and informed consent they need to be taken down. That same applies to anyone who is not willing to protect the best interest of the people they assume in their minds that they need to be controlled. Is that enough discussion for you as I am not into long drawn out bs postings going over and over the same things about where I stand on an issue.

Softball question! A huge campaign for science and reason-based education, like we see in developed countries. Just give me the award now. I win. The rest of you can go home.

We aren't liking the left's educational theories at this point so that is totally out of the question to put y'all in charge of devising more bs.

 

[RodISHI]

Communists and socialists like to prate about how they need to kill people to prevent overpopulation.

....and pure Capitalists let people die of starvation and illness, and then say they killed themselves by not working harder. Maybe no system , by itself, is perfect? Hmm, I wonder if we should try something like a "mixed system".... hey, wait a minute...

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Good points. Science claims that the health improve because of it but they fully ignore the advantages of sanitation and modern plumbing that was the real cause of health improvement. Clean water and a cleaner environment did the trick. With all of the invention of chemicals now being added into the ecosystem the natural pest of pest have become terribly imbalanced and we have a resurgence of diseases throughout.

 

[RodISHI]

People who are so concerned about it that they believe other people are parasites should be the first ones to get themselves and theirs neutered or take the plunge and fully opt out of life. Leave the rest alone though if you think that you are a parasite deal with yourself first.

Human overpopulation was a serious topic for discussion when I was a Senior in High School 48 years ago when US population reached 200 million. The US population is over 300 million today. Thanks to GMO we can feed the overpopulation. GMO (genetic modified organism) is the major topic of discussion today. GMO is shown as a corn ear stuck full of needles in a farmer newspaper. Japanese pay high dollar for non-GMO corn which lowers yield.

Thank your politicians for giving a free pass to all the illegal immigrants. GMO chit sucks!

 

[koshergrl]

Communists and socialists like to prate about how they need to kill people to prevent overpopulation.

....and pure Capitalists let people die of starvation and illness, and then say they killed themselves by not working harder. Maybe no system , by itself, is perfect? Hmm, I wonder if we should try something like a "mixed system".... hey, wait a minute...

So explain to me why it's always the communist countries....like China, N Korea and Russia...where people starve to death en masse...despite rigid government management of food and the one child law? Because you're a liar is why. Communism...not capitalism...leads to starvation.

 

[Old Rocks]

The first world industrial nations are mixed economies, every one of them, including the US. They are not socialist nor capitalist. We have found through hard knocks that 'pure' systems of either just do not work. But the ideological dingleberries of both the right and left ignore that history.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communists and socialists like to prate about how they need to kill people to prevent overpopulation.

....and pure Capitalists let people die of starvation and illness, and then say they killed themselves by not working harder. Maybe no system , by itself, is perfect? Hmm, I wonder if we should try something like a "mixed system".... hey, wait a minute...

So explain to me why it's always the communist countries....like China, N Korea and Russia...where people starve to death en masse...despite rigid government management of food and the one child law? Because you're a liar is why. Communism...not capitalism...leads to starvation.

Lenin believed in Utopia, a harmony reached only after certain groups of people are killed: the 'War of Classes'. 'Initially, wherever communists come to power, Russia, Cuba, Poland, Nicaragua, China, it doesn't matter- they destroy about 10% of the people. They are not enemies...best intellectuals, best workers, best engineers...doesn't matter. It is to restructure the fabric of society, a form of social engineering." Vladimir Bukovsky.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

notice how all the whiners refuse to put forth a supposed solution?

Solution to a non-problem?

Of course overpopulation is a problem and will get worse. ...

Wrong, and just the opposite.

well, you are demonstrably incorrect, as all of the evidence shows.

The evidence shows that we are nowhere near capacity, and are never likely to be. There is no ‘overpopulation.’

The evidence shows that our population growth can and does outpace our ability to sustain it without a negative effect on average quality of life, whether locally or globally. It's about more than "how many humans can we fit on the planet".

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Communists and socialists like to prate about how they need to kill people to prevent overpopulation.

....and pure Capitalists let people die of starvation and illness, and then say they killed themselves by not working harder. Maybe no system , by itself, is perfect? Hmm, I wonder if we should try something like a "mixed system".... hey, wait a minute...

So explain to me why it's always the communist countries....like China, N Korea and Russia...where people starve to death en masse...despite rigid government management of food and the one child law? Because you're a liar is why. Communism...not capitalism...leads to starvation.

You're being emotional and reactionary.. I wasn't touting communism. I wasn't saying capitalism is not better. I was making the point that a mixed system is better than a monolithic system. And I am not your mommy...I am not going to google preventable famines and epidemics in non-communist and non-socialist countries. But you can go start with Mexico and Ireland, if you like. You can also google preventable deaths from disease here in the good old US of A, and look into why the wealthiest country on the planet is ranked so far down the WHO list.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

People who are so concerned about it that they believe other people are parasites should be the first ones to get themselves and theirs neutered or take the plunge and fully opt out of life. Leave the rest alone though if you think that you are a parasite deal with yourself first.

This is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. You know, there is also the option to merely talk about why it is concerning, and let people make their own informed decisions... as rational people blessed with more than just a brain stem are capable of doing, including you and me. You shouldn't cower in fear of ideas like you do.

I don't cower in fears but hey maybe that is what you have already engraved in your head. My position is that people who are willing to destroy others just because they have been given advantage through money, inheritance, or their unrestricted greed have no business telling others that they are the ones that are ruining the planet so they think they must control the populace with their crap like tainted vaccinations and foods that alter other peoples dna without fully informing that "worthless populace" what they are taking in or letting into their bodies.

This is where we can get technical where as an atheist you may understand where I am coming from. You have said you don't believe in God or Jesus Christ and that is your prerogative but those who do believe have given their consent to be altered by the spirit of God and his hosts. It isn't done without consent or acceptance knowing that a change will come. If a preacher cannot give you a full description of what you are going to be giving your consent to be done to you if you are thinking with logic verses faith in that spirit you have a choice not to be altered and you keep your carnal precepts intact and have no choice but to work through whatever comes from that. If a preacher cannot describe what happens or tried to give you some goobered up concocted description without knowledge of how that works and it didn't fit would you just simply accept being changed? Obviously not because you say you are still an atheist. That same theory can be applied to the carnal precepts to the discussion of birth control, altered food products or just about anything that affects us as human beings.

When scientist are putting out junk science in order to promote a product without telling the dangers or minimizing the risk through deceptive word play they need to be kicked very hard in the nutz, Hard enough that they won't ever do it again but that is not what has been taking place as commerce creeps have infiltrated and covered for this type of crap for years. As for me I know when I drink any water with fluoridation or other chemicals in it tears my stomach up. why would I accept a scientist telling me that it is harmless when I already know what it does to me?

Personally I knew after my daughter was born there was no way I was going to spend the rest of my life with the ex. I opted to stay with him and give it a best try for my daughter's sake. I had a lot of time to consider it all and assumed the experience was such a disaster I would never make that mistake again if I could help it if I ever got out of it. Shortly after my son was born asshole got worse an event took place and that was it, done, finished kaput. There was no doubt in my mind I couldn't take care of and raise more than two children on my own so I got fixed. It was the rational thing to do in light of my entire situation. I gave consent to the doc to be altered. Now lets talk about the what if's. If I had went the other scientific route and took pills to be alter would the doc had said, "Hey look these pills to prevent you from getting pregnant are made from horse piss hormones. If you take them you will be altering your hormonal structure which could possibly lead to endocrine issues, mood alterations and other issues for you". No they wouldn't have because doctors are pill pushers. Now I could have listen to an uptight preacher tell me just abstain but that is not even a reasonable request for an eighteen year old that has already been married but is now divorce. The other option would be try to prevent pregnancy through other means like tell the guy to keep his sperm out and I doubted that would be a fail safe method also. Speaking on the subject today females and males both have options such as spermicides, day after pills or even many herbs available that prevent pregnancy.

If anyone is going to determine what is best for another person without their full and informed consent they need to be taken down. That same applies to anyone who is not willing to protect the best interest of the people they assume in their minds that they need to be controlled. Is that enough discussion for you as I am not into long drawn out bs postings going over and over the same things about where I stand on an issue.

Softball question! A huge campaign for science and reason-based education, like we see in developed countries. Just give me the award now. I win. The rest of you can go home.

We aren't liking the left's educational theories at this point so that is totally out of the question to put y'all in charge of devising more bs.

"Willing to destroy others"

My suggestions have had nothing to do with destroying peole, nor have those of anyone else here. Perhaps, if the Boogeyman shows up on USMB today, he will answer your hyperbolic claims.

 

[RodISHI]

People who are so concerned about it that they believe other people are parasites should be the first ones to get themselves and theirs neutered or take the plunge and fully opt out of life. Leave the rest alone though if you think that you are a parasite deal with yourself first.

This is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. You know, there is also the option to merely talk about why it is concerning, and let people make their own informed decisions... as rational people blessed with more than just a brain stem are capable of doing, including you and me. You shouldn't cower in fear of ideas like you do.

I don't cower in fears but hey maybe that is what you have already engraved in your head. My position is that people who are willing to destroy others just because they have been given advantage through money, inheritance, or their unrestricted greed have no business telling others that they are the ones that are ruining the planet so they think they must control the populace with their crap like tainted vaccinations and foods that alter other peoples dna without fully informing that "worthless populace" what they are taking in or letting into their bodies.

This is where we can get technical where as an atheist you may understand where I am coming from. You have said you don't believe in God or Jesus Christ and that is your prerogative but those who do believe have given their consent to be altered by the spirit of God and his hosts. It isn't done without consent or acceptance knowing that a change will come. If a preacher cannot give you a full description of what you are going to be giving your consent to be done to you if you are thinking with logic verses faith in that spirit you have a choice not to be altered and you keep your carnal precepts intact and have no choice but to work through whatever comes from that. If a preacher cannot describe what happens or tried to give you some goobered up concocted description without knowledge of how that works and it didn't fit would you just simply accept being changed? Obviously not because you say you are still an atheist. That same theory can be applied to the carnal precepts to the discussion of birth control, altered food products or just about anything that affects us as human beings.

When scientist are putting out junk science in order to promote a product without telling the dangers or minimizing the risk through deceptive word play they need to be kicked very hard in the nutz, Hard enough that they won't ever do it again but that is not what has been taking place as commerce creeps have infiltrated and covered for this type of crap for years. As for me I know when I drink any water with fluoridation or other chemicals in it tears my stomach up. why would I accept a scientist telling me that it is harmless when I already know what it does to me?

Personally I knew after my daughter was born there was no way I was going to spend the rest of my life with the ex. I opted to stay with him and give it a best try for my daughter's sake. I had a lot of time to consider it all and assumed the experience was such a disaster I would never make that mistake again if I could help it if I ever got out of it. Shortly after my son was born asshole got worse an event took place and that was it, done, finished kaput. There was no doubt in my mind I couldn't take care of and raise more than two children on my own so I got fixed. It was the rational thing to do in light of my entire situation. I gave consent to the doc to be altered. Now lets talk about the what if's. If I had went the other scientific route and took pills to be alter would the doc had said, "Hey look these pills to prevent you from getting pregnant are made from horse piss hormones. If you take them you will be altering your hormonal structure which could possibly lead to endocrine issues, mood alterations and other issues for you". No they wouldn't have because doctors are pill pushers. Now I could have listen to an uptight preacher tell me just abstain but that is not even a reasonable request for an eighteen year old that has already been married but is now divorce. The other option would be try to prevent pregnancy through other means like tell the guy to keep his sperm out and I doubted that would be a fail safe method also. Speaking on the subject today females and males both have options such as spermicides, day after pills or even many herbs available that prevent pregnancy.

If anyone is going to determine what is best for another person without their full and informed consent they need to be taken down. That same applies to anyone who is not willing to protect the best interest of the people they assume in their minds that they need to be controlled. Is that enough discussion for you as I am not into long drawn out bs postings going over and over the same things about where I stand on an issue.

Softball question! A huge campaign for science and reason-based education, like we see in developed countries. Just give me the award now. I win. The rest of you can go home.

We aren't liking the left's educational theories at this point so that is totally out of the question to put y'all in charge of devising more bs.

"Willing to destroy others"

My suggestions have had nothing to do with destroying peole, nor have those of anyone else here. Perhaps, if the Boogeyman shows up on USMB today, he will answer your hyperbolic claims.

There is nothing hyperbolic about being aware what certain people are doing in the eugenics movement. I did not accuse you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

People who are so concerned about it that they believe other people are parasites should be the first ones to get themselves and theirs neutered or take the plunge and fully opt out of life. Leave the rest alone though if you think that you are a parasite deal with yourself first.

This is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. You know, there is also the option to merely talk about why it is concerning, and let people make their own informed decisions... as rational people blessed with more than just a brain stem are capable of doing, including you and me. You shouldn't cower in fear of ideas like you do.

I don't cower in fears but hey maybe that is what you have already engraved in your head. My position is that people who are willing to destroy others just because they have been given advantage through money, inheritance, or their unrestricted greed have no business telling others that they are the ones that are ruining the planet so they think they must control the populace with their crap like tainted vaccinations and foods that alter other peoples dna without fully informing that "worthless populace" what they are taking in or letting into their bodies.

This is where we can get technical where as an atheist you may understand where I am coming from. You have said you don't believe in God or Jesus Christ and that is your prerogative but those who do believe have given their consent to be altered by the spirit of God and his hosts. It isn't done without consent or acceptance knowing that a change will come. If a preacher cannot give you a full description of what you are going to be giving your consent to be done to you if you are thinking with logic verses faith in that spirit you have a choice not to be altered and you keep your carnal precepts intact and have no choice but to work through whatever comes from that. If a preacher cannot describe what happens or tried to give you some goobered up concocted description without knowledge of how that works and it didn't fit would you just simply accept being changed? Obviously not because you say you are still an atheist. That same theory can be applied to the carnal precepts to the discussion of birth control, altered food products or just about anything that affects us as human beings.

When scientist are putting out junk science in order to promote a product without telling the dangers or minimizing the risk through deceptive word play they need to be kicked very hard in the nutz, Hard enough that they won't ever do it again but that is not what has been taking place as commerce creeps have infiltrated and covered for this type of crap for years. As for me I know when I drink any water with fluoridation or other chemicals in it tears my stomach up. why would I accept a scientist telling me that it is harmless when I already know what it does to me?

Personally I knew after my daughter was born there was no way I was going to spend the rest of my life with the ex. I opted to stay with him and give it a best try for my daughter's sake. I had a lot of time to consider it all and assumed the experience was such a disaster I would never make that mistake again if I could help it if I ever got out of it. Shortly after my son was born asshole got worse an event took place and that was it, done, finished kaput. There was no doubt in my mind I couldn't take care of and raise more than two children on my own so I got fixed. It was the rational thing to do in light of my entire situation. I gave consent to the doc to be altered. Now lets talk about the what if's. If I had went the other scientific route and took pills to be alter would the doc had said, "Hey look these pills to prevent you from getting pregnant are made from horse piss hormones. If you take them you will be altering your hormonal structure which could possibly lead to endocrine issues, mood alterations and other issues for you". No they wouldn't have because doctors are pill pushers. Now I could have listen to an uptight preacher tell me just abstain but that is not even a reasonable request for an eighteen year old that has already been married but is now divorce. The other option would be try to prevent pregnancy through other means like tell the guy to keep his sperm out and I doubted that would be a fail safe method also. Speaking on the subject today females and males both have options such as spermicides, day after pills or even many herbs available that prevent pregnancy.

If anyone is going to determine what is best for another person without their full and informed consent they need to be taken down. That same applies to anyone who is not willing to protect the best interest of the people they assume in their minds that they need to be controlled. Is that enough discussion for you as I am not into long drawn out bs postings going over and over the same things about where I stand on an issue.

Softball question! A huge campaign for science and reason-based education, like we see in developed countries. Just give me the award now. I win. The rest of you can go home.

We aren't liking the left's educational theories at this point so that is totally out of the question to put y'all in charge of devising more bs.

"Willing to destroy others"

My suggestions have had nothing to do with destroying peole, nor have those of anyone else here. Perhaps, if the Boogeyman shows up on USMB today, he will answer your hyperbolic claims.

There is nothing hyperbolic about being aware what certain people are doing in the eugenics movement. I did not accuse you.

But your disproportionate response is, indeed, hyperbolic. Maybe I should now respond by pointing out the very Christian idiots who are putting people in jail for contraceptive use in Africa? Then we can sit here and spit and scream and throw little fits. Forever.

But where would that get us?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Well except population is not a problem because of numbers but rather location and government. And yes most supposed solutions are kill people. As for education good luck on that, how you expect that to work on people that think screwing a virgin will cure AIDS is pretty stupid.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well except population is not a problem because of numbers but rather location and government. And yes most supposed solutions are kill people. As for education good luck on that, how you expect that to work on people that think screwing a virgin will cure AIDS is pretty stupid.

That's a narrow way of thinking. I suppose we could look at a cancerous tumor and not blame the cancer for it, but instead blame the body's immune system for not destroying the rogue cells. The smart way, however, is to look at BOTH issues.


How do I expect to change culture via education? Slowly and generationally. It wouldn't happen overnight.

And nobody here has posited killing anyone, nor did you contribute a single other idea, yourself. What is with you people being so afraid of this topic?