I find it very disturbing

[Redfish]

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

If you consider yourself a "small government" kind of guy, you just sold yourself down the river. Unless it harms others, it is NOT the business of the government to dictate what is normal and acceptable. Get it yet?

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Because in this nation we have something called the Constitution. We don't toss it out a window when we find it inconvenient.

please quote where the words "gay marriage" appear in the constitution. Or, failing that, give us a quote from any of the founders saying that gay marriage should be a right of US citizens.

 

[Redfish]

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Seriously?

yes, very seriously. The majority of humans on planet earth are opposed to gay marriage.

 

[bodecea]

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

If you consider yourself a "small government" kind of guy, you just sold yourself down the river. Unless it harms others, it is NOT the business of the government to dictate what is normal and acceptable. Get it yet?

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Yes they do....and are asked to prove it. You can't just "say" something is harmful.....there had to be viable proof.

 

[bodecea]

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Seriously?

yes, very seriously. The majority of humans on planet earth are opposed to gay marriage.

Ah...I see what you did there....you have to pull in China, Russian, all of the ME, etc. to make your point. Yay! Way to show who you are in agreement with.

 

[bodecea]

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

If you consider yourself a "small government" kind of guy, you just sold yourself down the river. Unless it harms others, it is NOT the business of the government to dictate what is normal and acceptable. Get it yet?

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Because in this nation we have something called the Constitution. We don't toss it out a window when we find it inconvenient.

please quote where the words "gay marriage" appear in the constitution. Or, failing that, give us a quote from any of the founders saying that gay marriage should be a right of US citizens.

It's right next to straight marriage. Don't you see it?

 

[Redfish]

so a marriage and a business are the same thing? What makes them different is that there are young children involved in a marriage, but not in a business.

it becomes our problem because society as a whole will have to bear some of the costs related to such "marriages". Can you imagine the confusion of a child involved in such a marriage? 5 fathers, 6 mothers. how does the biological parent enter into the mix, do the biological parents have some kind of priority? Would you be happy with such a family as your next door neighbors?

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

I get you consider freedom your right to do as you please and my right to do as you please. So we certainly will disagree and I am fine with moving on.

Rights are established by a majority vote of the citizens of any society. our constitution, bill of rights, and all laws were put in place by majority vote. Why should gay marriage be exempt from those established methods of setting societal rules?

 

[bodecea]

That's their problem. Why is it any of your business?

Let's put what you just said another way... Tom, Jack, Joe and Abe form a business Mary, Elaine, Cindy, Joan, and Diane. Together they have 12 patents, 8 cars, 2 boats, a large house, and 9 retirement accounts. Cindy and Tom decide to leave the business. How many lawyers does it take to divide the assets and future patent earnings? how much court cost is expended? what are the tax implications? Should your standards prevent them from forming the business in the first place?

so a marriage and a business are the same thing? What makes them different is that there are young children involved in a marriage, but not in a business.

it becomes our problem because society as a whole will have to bear some of the costs related to such "marriages". Can you imagine the confusion of a child involved in such a marriage? 5 fathers, 6 mothers. how does the biological parent enter into the mix, do the biological parents have some kind of priority? Would you be happy with such a family as your next door neighbors?

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

You seem to have trouble distinguishing actions and contracts that harm no one, and illegal drug sales that harm quite a few people.

It is your OPINION that gay marriage harms no one. Not everyone shares that OPINION.

Your OPINION is in the minority of human OPINION on this topic.

A minority OPINION should not be forced on the majority by a dictatorial government.

That is the issue here.

Ok, you say that gay marriage harms........who? And what form does that harm take? Provide us with proof.

 

[Redfish]

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Seriously?

yes, very seriously. The majority of humans on planet earth are opposed to gay marriage.

Ah...I see what you did there....you have to pull in China, Russian, all of the ME, etc. to make your point. Yay! Way to show who you are in agreement with.

Yes, thats correct and it has been so for over 3000 years. You represent a tiny minority of homo sapiens, but somehow you think that you have the right to mandate your views on everyone else.

 

[bodecea]

so a marriage and a business are the same thing? What makes them different is that there are young children involved in a marriage, but not in a business.

it becomes our problem because society as a whole will have to bear some of the costs related to such "marriages". Can you imagine the confusion of a child involved in such a marriage? 5 fathers, 6 mothers. how does the biological parent enter into the mix, do the biological parents have some kind of priority? Would you be happy with such a family as your next door neighbors?

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

I get you consider freedom your right to do as you please and my right to do as you please. So we certainly will disagree and I am fine with moving on.

That's it....Redminnow likes to ask where the words "gay marriage" are in the Constitution....and yet, he will NEVER ask where are the words "straight marriage" in the Constitution because it doesn't fit his desires.

 

[Seawytch]

so a marriage and a business are the same thing? What makes them different is that there are young children involved in a marriage, but not in a business.

it becomes our problem because society as a whole will have to bear some of the costs related to such "marriages". Can you imagine the confusion of a child involved in such a marriage? 5 fathers, 6 mothers. how does the biological parent enter into the mix, do the biological parents have some kind of priority? Would you be happy with such a family as your next door neighbors?

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

You seem to have trouble distinguishing actions and contracts that harm no one, and illegal drug sales that harm quite a few people.

It is your OPINION that gay marriage harms no one. Not everyone shares that OPINION.

Your OPINION is in the minority of human OPINION on this topic.

A minority OPINION should not be forced on the majority by a dictatorial government.

That is the issue here.

Ok, you say that gay marriage harms........who? And what form does that harm take? Provide us with proof.

He can't admit it's because it makes him want to watch lesbian porn incessantly.

 

[bodecea]

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Seriously?

yes, very seriously. The majority of humans on planet earth are opposed to gay marriage.

Ah...I see what you did there....you have to pull in China, Russian, all of the ME, etc. to make your point. Yay! Way to show who you are in agreement with.

Yes, thats correct and it has been so for over 3000 years. You represent a tiny minority of homo sapiens, but somehow you think that you have the right to mandate your views on everyone else.

This country with the FIRST written Constitution with the FIRST written freedom of religion, press, etc. is only just under 250 years old. But, you feel free to live like people did 3000 years ago. Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

 

[Redfish]

so a marriage and a business are the same thing? What makes them different is that there are young children involved in a marriage, but not in a business.

it becomes our problem because society as a whole will have to bear some of the costs related to such "marriages". Can you imagine the confusion of a child involved in such a marriage? 5 fathers, 6 mothers. how does the biological parent enter into the mix, do the biological parents have some kind of priority? Would you be happy with such a family as your next door neighbors?

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

You seem to have trouble distinguishing actions and contracts that harm no one, and illegal drug sales that harm quite a few people.

It is your OPINION that gay marriage harms no one. Not everyone shares that OPINION.

Your OPINION is in the minority of human OPINION on this topic.

A minority OPINION should not be forced on the majority by a dictatorial government.

That is the issue here.

Ok, you say that gay marriage harms........who? And what form does that harm take? Provide us with proof.

What I said was that a majority of humans BELIEVE that gay marriage would harm society, its their OPINION, just as its your OPINION that it would do no harm.

But your opinion is no more valid than anyone else's opinion. So the people should vote and the majority OPINION should prevail. Thats what democracy and freedom are all about.

 

[Redfish]

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Seriously?

yes, very seriously. The majority of humans on planet earth are opposed to gay marriage.

Ah...I see what you did there....you have to pull in China, Russian, all of the ME, etc. to make your point. Yay! Way to show who you are in agreement with.

Yes, thats correct and it has been so for over 3000 years. You represent a tiny minority of homo sapiens, but somehow you think that you have the right to mandate your views on everyone else.

This country with the FIRST written Constitution with the FIRST written freedom of religion, press, etc. is only just under 250 years old. But, you feel free to live like people did 3000 years ago. Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

true, and in this country we all have equal say in who rules us and what laws we live by. But you want to ignore that and force your views on everyone else.

What makes your opinions superior to everyone else's?

and tell your buddy seawytch that I have her on ignore so I am not seeing her BS posts.

 

[Seawytch]

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

You seem to have trouble distinguishing actions and contracts that harm no one, and illegal drug sales that harm quite a few people.

It is your OPINION that gay marriage harms no one. Not everyone shares that OPINION.

Your OPINION is in the minority of human OPINION on this topic.

A minority OPINION should not be forced on the majority by a dictatorial government.

That is the issue here.

Ok, you say that gay marriage harms........who? And what form does that harm take? Provide us with proof.

What I said was that a majority of humans BELIEVE that gay marriage would harm society, its their OPINION, just as its your OPINION that it would do no harm.

But your opinion is no more valid than anyone else's opinion. So the people should vote and the majority OPINION should prevail. Thats what democracy and freedom are all about.

We should be basing U.S. Policies on what a majority of the world believes?

No Chickenfish, you have to actually demonstrate a harm. Go!

 

[Seawytch]

Seriously?

yes, very seriously. The majority of humans on planet earth are opposed to gay marriage.

Ah...I see what you did there....you have to pull in China, Russian, all of the ME, etc. to make your point. Yay! Way to show who you are in agreement with.

Yes, thats correct and it has been so for over 3000 years. You represent a tiny minority of homo sapiens, but somehow you think that you have the right to mandate your views on everyone else.

This country with the FIRST written Constitution with the FIRST written freedom of religion, press, etc. is only just under 250 years old. But, you feel free to live like people did 3000 years ago. Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

true, and in this country we all have equal say in who rules us and what laws we live by. But you want to ignore that and force your views on everyone else.

What makes your opinions superior to everyone else's?

and tell your buddy seawytch that I have her on ignore so I am not seeing her BS posts.

You don't have to tell me anything Chicken...I'm not pretending to ignore you.

 

[PratchettFan]

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

If you consider yourself a "small government" kind of guy, you just sold yourself down the river. Unless it harms others, it is NOT the business of the government to dictate what is normal and acceptable. Get it yet?

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Because in this nation we have something called the Constitution. We don't toss it out a window when we find it inconvenient.

please quote where the words "gay marriage" appear in the constitution. Or, failing that, give us a quote from any of the founders saying that gay marriage should be a right of US citizens.

I really wish people would read the Constitution. The Constitution provides for a process to resolve disputes under the Constitution. That process does not include "letting the people decide". You can scour the document all you like and you are not going to find that phrase anywhere. SSM is a dispute and it is being handled in accordance with the Constitution. The Court will decide this, just as is laid out in the Constitution.

 

[PratchettFan]

Pretty much the same thing, yes. The children do not make it different. And even if it does, it falls firmly into the category of none of your business. If people want to engage in a complicated marital arrangement, they had best have a contract to resolve those issue before they enter into it. Frankly, I doubt there will be many of these kinds of marriages but it is their business, not mine and not yours.

If I am not happy with the way you live your life and you are my neighbor, would you care? Would you think it proper for me to get the government to force you to change the way you live your life so it was more to my liking? Or would you just tell me to stick my liking where the sun does not shine?

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

I get you consider freedom your right to do as you please and my right to do as you please. So we certainly will disagree and I am fine with moving on.

Rights are established by a majority vote of the citizens of any society. our constitution, bill of rights, and all laws were put in place by majority vote. Why should gay marriage be exempt from those established methods of setting societal rules?

No, they are not. They are established by law - the Constitution being primary to all other law. Your approval is not required.

 

[Redfish]

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

If you consider yourself a "small government" kind of guy, you just sold yourself down the river. Unless it harms others, it is NOT the business of the government to dictate what is normal and acceptable. Get it yet?

many believe that gay marriage, polygamy, and other forms of marriage would harm society as a whole. All I want is for society as a whole to make that decision.'

why do you fear the will of the people?

Because in this nation we have something called the Constitution. We don't toss it out a window when we find it inconvenient.

please quote where the words "gay marriage" appear in the constitution. Or, failing that, give us a quote from any of the founders saying that gay marriage should be a right of US citizens.

I really wish people would read the Constitution. The Constitution provides for a process to resolve disputes under the Constitution. That process does not include "letting the people decide". You can scour the document all you like and you are not going to find that phrase anywhere. SSM is a dispute and it is being handled in accordance with the Constitution. The Court will decide this, just as is laid out in the Constitution.

the SC will decide if state laws regarding SSM are constitutional. not if gay marriage is right.

 

[Redfish]

Uhh, yeah. If you were running a crack house I would expect the govt to put you out of business.

do you also approve of fathers marrying sons to avoid inheritence taxes?

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

I get you consider freedom your right to do as you please and my right to do as you please. So we certainly will disagree and I am fine with moving on.

Rights are established by a majority vote of the citizens of any society. our constitution, bill of rights, and all laws were put in place by majority vote. Why should gay marriage be exempt from those established methods of setting societal rules?

No, they are not. They are established by law - the Constitution being primary to all other law. Your approval is not required.

how was the constitution ratified? was it not by majority vote?

 

[Redfish]

I can't seem to get this across to you, though I keep saying it. It is none of my business. My approval is irrelevant. Do you need my approval to live as you deem right?

I get it, you don't give a shit what society considers normal and acceptable. you are an anything-goes kind of guy. Ok, great. We just disagree. Lets move on.

I get you consider freedom your right to do as you please and my right to do as you please. So we certainly will disagree and I am fine with moving on.

Rights are established by a majority vote of the citizens of any society. our constitution, bill of rights, and all laws were put in place by majority vote. Why should gay marriage be exempt from those established methods of setting societal rules?

No, they are not. They are established by law - the Constitution being primary to all other law. Your approval is not required.

how was the constitution ratified? was it not by majority vote?

what you are missing is that our rights under the constitution and and our laws were established by majority vote.