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Have a nice day son.I see projection suits you to a T.Yes I would but in your case it wasn't a compliment.
You'd know.
Have a nice day, go find yourself another 3rd grader like yourself to do this with.
But, why join the military to defend a country/culture you are in disagreement with? Attention seeking perhaps?
Exactly why many never would, america hasn't been in a legit war since WWII.
But THIS person joined the military.
Yeah, and? She can't think for herself while in can she. The broader issue is the system - and many of it's subjects - cannot tolerate any challenge. Let's recall this "controversy" began with a damn football player who wasn't, and he drew the same reaction from the same posters and segments of society.
Generally I do, thanks!Have a nice day son.I see projection suits you to a T.Yes I would but in your case it wasn't a compliment.You aughta go into comedy.
You'd know.
Have a nice day, go find yourself another 3rd grader like yourself to do this with.
But, why join the military to defend a country/culture you are in disagreement with? Attention seeking perhaps?
Exactly why many never would, america hasn't been in a legit war since WWII.
But THIS person joined the military.
Yeah, and? She can't think for herself while in can she. The broader issue is the system - and many of it's subjects - cannot tolerate any challenge. Let's recall this "controversy" began with a damn football player who wasn't, and he drew the same reaction from the same posters and segments of society.
I think you have completely missed my point. If you were to think America is such a terrible place, why would you volunteer for a career in the military?
Those who bring color into it are what they are, ignorant morons (the open and closet racists), as for this situation I don't care what color she was, she signed enlistment papers and swore an oath (binding contracts), failure to comply with all terms of those contracts is punishable.Article 1205.
I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?
again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.
and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf
thanks.
I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.
just saying....
In this instance refusing to stand would most likely result in an Article 15, failure to stand if directly ordered at that moment is a whole different ball of wax which would result in a Courts Martial which would most likely end up with a dishonorable discharge and possibly jail time. The military doesn't take kindly to personnel who refuse a lawful order.
but ignoring color as an issue is wishful thinking. the reality is she has a gripe about serving her country while people who look like her are shot for no reason.
and you can't argue that the people whining about her are mostly the same ones who were screeching that it was ok for the Montana boys to raise arms against our federal officers. and ignoring the fact that color is a factor seems willfully blind.
But, why join the military to defend a country/culture you are in disagreement with? Attention seeking perhaps?
Exactly why many never would, america hasn't been in a legit war since WWII.
But THIS person joined the military.
Yeah, and? She can't think for herself while in can she. The broader issue is the system - and many of it's subjects - cannot tolerate any challenge. Let's recall this "controversy" began with a damn football player who wasn't, and he drew the same reaction from the same posters and segments of society.
I think you have completely missed my point. If you were to think America is such a terrible place, why would you volunteer for a career in the military?
I don't see how you declare any/everyone who isn't standing for the anthem right now thinks america is such a terrible place. America might just be a place like many other places with issues that require/beg sorting out. At any rate, sorry, can't get behind any effort to squash nonconformity, especially in a land so sold upon it's own love for liberty and free expression.
But, why join the military to defend a country/culture you are in disagreement with? Attention seeking perhaps?
Exactly why many never would, america hasn't been in a legit war since WWII.
But THIS person joined the military.
Yeah, and? She can't think for herself while in can she. The broader issue is the system - and many of it's subjects - cannot tolerate any challenge. Let's recall this "controversy" began with a damn football player who wasn't, and he drew the same reaction from the same posters and segments of society.
I think you have completely missed my point. If you were to think America is such a terrible place, why would you volunteer for a career in the military?
I don't see how you declare any/everyone who isn't standing for the anthem right now thinks america is such a terrible place. America might just be a place like many other places with issues that require/beg sorting out. At any rate, sorry, can't get behind any effort to squash nonconformity, especially in a land so sold upon it's own love for liberty and free expression.
The reason so many of us go into the military is to protect the constitutional rights of people to protest. It's sad you don't see it that way. One wonders if you ever actually were in the military or if you understood what the military means to America.Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem
This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.
If you were ever in the military you'd know when you're ordered to do something you fucking do it.
no matter what the order? want to try that again?
Exactly why many never would, america hasn't been in a legit war since WWII.
But THIS person joined the military.
Yeah, and? She can't think for herself while in can she. The broader issue is the system - and many of it's subjects - cannot tolerate any challenge. Let's recall this "controversy" began with a damn football player who wasn't, and he drew the same reaction from the same posters and segments of society.
I think you have completely missed my point. If you were to think America is such a terrible place, why would you volunteer for a career in the military?
I don't see how you declare any/everyone who isn't standing for the anthem right now thinks america is such a terrible place. America might just be a place like many other places with issues that require/beg sorting out. At any rate, sorry, can't get behind any effort to squash nonconformity, especially in a land so sold upon it's own love for liberty and free expression.
Why else would you refuse to stand for OUR national anthem?
The reason so many of us go into the military is to protect the constitutional rights of people to protest. It's sad you don't see it that way. One wonders if you ever actually were in the military or if you understood what the military means to America.Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem
This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.
If you were ever in the military you'd know when you're ordered to do something you fucking do it.
no matter what the order? want to try that again?
I will. You will obey every and all LAWFUL orders.
Not standing for the anthem is not protesting the police, it's protesting against America. That's how I see it. The national anthem really doesn't have anything to do with the police.
Well except most of the UNARMED blacks were either NOT unarmed or were physically attacking the cops, but hey don't let pesky little facts get in the way you lefties never do after all.Actually no. That sounds like Hitler's military, which I suspect you were alway very proud of.The reason so many of us go into the military is to protect the constitutional rights of people to protest. It's sad you don't see it that way. One wonders if you ever actually were in the military or if you understood what the military means to America.Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem
This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.
If you were ever in the military you'd know when you're ordered to do something you fucking do it.
Me, personally, I would never sit during the National Anthem. But I'm not black. And if I were black and what seemed like every week, another unarmed black American was being shot and killed by police then I'm not sure what is "right". Here is a black American who knows that she could go home on leave, wear civilian clothes, walk around outside and be shot by the police simply for being black.
Those who bring color into it are what they are, ignorant morons (the open and closet racists), as for this situation I don't care what color she was, she signed enlistment papers and swore an oath (binding contracts), failure to comply with all terms of those contracts is punishable.Article 1205.I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?
again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.
and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf
thanks.
I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.
just saying....
In this instance refusing to stand would most likely result in an Article 15, failure to stand if directly ordered at that moment is a whole different ball of wax which would result in a Courts Martial which would most likely end up with a dishonorable discharge and possibly jail time. The military doesn't take kindly to personnel who refuse a lawful order.
but ignoring color as an issue is wishful thinking. the reality is she has a gripe about serving her country while people who look like her are shot for no reason.
and you can't argue that the people whining about her are mostly the same ones who were screeching that it was ok for the Montana boys to raise arms against our federal officers. and ignoring the fact that color is a factor seems willfully blind.
The Montana boys weren't in the military and if they had fired ONE shot they would have been taken down hard. There is no analogy here, period.
Here is the statement she made about it. I can understand her frustration, but refusing to stand for the anthem of your country is not really protesting police actions.
I don't think she is a bad person. She seems pretty cool, but she also seems a little confused. We ALL have the same rights in this country. If some police abuse their power, that is bad, but you should still show some respect for your country and the freedoms that you do have. Things could be a lot worse.
My fellow Americans,
I have been proudly serving in the US Navy Reserve Force since November 2008. I have pledged to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to spread freedom and democracy around the world. I will never waver from that pledge. On September 19,2016, while in uniform, I made the conscious decision to not stand for the Star Spangled Banner because I feel like a hypocrite, singing about "land of the free" when, I know that only applies to some Americans. I will gladly stand again, when ALL AMERICANS are afforded the same freedom. The Navy has decided to punish me for defending the Constitution and has taken away my equipment I need to do my Naval job. It was my pleasure serving my country, I love it dearly, that is why I must do this for you. I will keep you all posted on what happens next!
Here is the statement she made about it. I can understand her frustration, but refusing to stand for the anthem of your country is not really protesting police actions.
I don't think she is a bad person. She seems pretty cool, but she also seems a little confused. We ALL have the same rights in this country. If some police abuse their power, that is bad, but you should still show some respect for your country and the freedoms that you do have. Things could be a lot worse.
My fellow Americans,
I have been proudly serving in the US Navy Reserve Force since November 2008. I have pledged to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to spread freedom and democracy around the world. I will never waver from that pledge. On September 19,2016, while in uniform, I made the conscious decision to not stand for the Star Spangled Banner because I feel like a hypocrite, singing about "land of the free" when, I know that only applies to some Americans. I will gladly stand again, when ALL AMERICANS are afforded the same freedom. The Navy has decided to punish me for defending the Constitution and has taken away my equipment I need to do my Naval job. It was my pleasure serving my country, I love it dearly, that is why I must do this for you. I will keep you all posted on what happens next!
Here is the statement she made about it. I can understand her frustration, but refusing to stand for the anthem of your country is not really protesting police actions.
I don't think she is a bad person. She seems pretty cool, but she also seems a little confused. We ALL have the same rights in this country. If some police abuse their power, that is bad, but you should still show some respect for your country and the freedoms that you do have. Things could be a lot worse.
My fellow Americans,
I have been proudly serving in the US Navy Reserve Force since November 2008. I have pledged to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to spread freedom and democracy around the world. I will never waver from that pledge. On September 19,2016, while in uniform, I made the conscious decision to not stand for the Star Spangled Banner because I feel like a hypocrite, singing about "land of the free" when, I know that only applies to some Americans. I will gladly stand again, when ALL AMERICANS are afforded the same freedom. The Navy has decided to punish me for defending the Constitution and has taken away my equipment I need to do my Naval job. It was my pleasure serving my country, I love it dearly, that is why I must do this for you. I will keep you all posted on what happens next!
Makes perfect sense to me, no one asked you not to stand.
Here is the statement she made about it. I can understand her frustration, but refusing to stand for the anthem of your country is not really protesting police actions.
I don't think she is a bad person. She seems pretty cool, but she also seems a little confused. We ALL have the same rights in this country. If some police abuse their power, that is bad, but you should still show some respect for your country and the freedoms that you do have. Things could be a lot worse.
My fellow Americans,
I have been proudly serving in the US Navy Reserve Force since November 2008. I have pledged to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to spread freedom and democracy around the world. I will never waver from that pledge. On September 19,2016, while in uniform, I made the conscious decision to not stand for the Star Spangled Banner because I feel like a hypocrite, singing about "land of the free" when, I know that only applies to some Americans. I will gladly stand again, when ALL AMERICANS are afforded the same freedom. The Navy has decided to punish me for defending the Constitution and has taken away my equipment I need to do my Naval job. It was my pleasure serving my country, I love it dearly, that is why I must do this for you. I will keep you all posted on what happens next!
she seems like a jerk to me------I served in the navy and do
not recall a PLEDGE to spread American ideology around
the world. -----
