I Need Permission?

[DarkFury]

If it's unconstitutional, why don't you take it to the Supreme Court? Probably someone has already tried. Personally, I have run into quite a few people I hope to hell don't have a "right" any longer to a gun. You may be born with that right, but some people's actions deserve taking that right away. How does that get monitored except by registration, which requires time and money, necessitating a fee?
It isn't the law abiding gun owners who screw things up for the rest of us, but screw it up they do. And we pay for it. I don't see any way around it.

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

 

[2aguy]

If it's unconstitutional, why don't you take it to the Supreme Court? Probably someone has already tried. Personally, I have run into quite a few people I hope to hell don't have a "right" any longer to a gun. You may be born with that right, but some people's actions deserve taking that right away. How does that get monitored except by registration, which requires time and money, necessitating a fee?
It isn't the law abiding gun owners who screw things up for the rest of us, but screw it up they do. And we pay for it. I don't see any way around it.

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

How about Marion Barry.....our nation's capitol....

 

[HappyJoy]

If it's unconstitutional, why don't you take it to the Supreme Court? Probably someone has already tried. Personally, I have run into quite a few people I hope to hell don't have a "right" any longer to a gun. You may be born with that right, but some people's actions deserve taking that right away. How does that get monitored except by registration, which requires time and money, necessitating a fee?
It isn't the law abiding gun owners who screw things up for the rest of us, but screw it up they do. And we pay for it. I don't see any way around it.

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Look asswipe....you aren't charged a fee to vote are you moron?......and you register to vote so they know if you are who you say you are when you vote.....it is not used to confiscate your ballot....asswipe.

All you should have to do to buy a gun is show a drivers license or other form of I.D......just like voting asswipe.

Voting isn't free, bud, we pay for it through taxes. Buying a gun can be taxed too, it's very legal and we already do it.

And yes, you register to vote to avoid fraud by pretending to be someone else. Just like with registering your gun, make sure you are who you say you are and you are legal to own it.

Your poll tax argument is moronic.

 

[HappyJoy]

If it's unconstitutional, why don't you take it to the Supreme Court? Probably someone has already tried. Personally, I have run into quite a few people I hope to hell don't have a "right" any longer to a gun. You may be born with that right, but some people's actions deserve taking that right away. How does that get monitored except by registration, which requires time and money, necessitating a fee?
It isn't the law abiding gun owners who screw things up for the rest of us, but screw it up they do. And we pay for it. I don't see any way around it.

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

Maybe try making a point sometime.

 

[HappyJoy]

If it's unconstitutional, why don't you take it to the Supreme Court? Probably someone has already tried. Personally, I have run into quite a few people I hope to hell don't have a "right" any longer to a gun. You may be born with that right, but some people's actions deserve taking that right away. How does that get monitored except by registration, which requires time and money, necessitating a fee?
It isn't the law abiding gun owners who screw things up for the rest of us, but screw it up they do. And we pay for it. I don't see any way around it.

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

How about Marion Barry.....our nation's capitol....

Waaaayyyy off topic.

 

[DarkFury]

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

How about Marion Barry.....our nation's capitol....

Waaaayyyy off topic.

YOU brought up felons and guns idiot. MY thread MY call F#CK YOU.

 

[HappyJoy]

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

How about Marion Barry.....our nation's capitol....

Waaaayyyy off topic.

YOU brought up felons and guns idiot. MY thread MY call F#CK YOU.

You can bounce all over the place for all I care, still off topic to anything I was posting about.

 

[DarkFury]

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

How about Marion Barry.....our nation's capitol....

Waaaayyyy off topic.

YOU brought up felons and guns idiot. MY thread MY call F#CK YOU.

You can bounce all over the place for all I care, still off topic to anything I was posting about.

Beat it bozo, no one cares what you think.

 

[HappyJoy]

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

How about Marion Barry.....our nation's capitol....

Waaaayyyy off topic.

YOU brought up felons and guns idiot. MY thread MY call F#CK YOU.

You can bounce all over the place for all I care, still off topic to anything I was posting about.

Beat it bozo, no one cares what you think.

Nope.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I'm granted a national right at birth and I need permission? If its a national right I don't need a damn thing. And they want you to register and pay for that national right. Nothing in that right says I have to register and there is nothing that says government can extort money to "allow" a right.

That argument came to the forefront the other day when one of this sites liberals INSISTED that states have the right to REMOVE national rights. How truly stupid can one get? As a state, any state joins the United States that state AGREES to ANY and ALL national rights. There is no question and there is no exception.

That is what prevents state leaders from becoming dictators. Now in most liberals cities you can't get one. So they are in fact trying to DENY your right. Yet in other liberal cities you can get one but it costs you money. So in fact your national right is being extorted for money. We don't have those issues here in Arizona. You DON'T beg for a right or buy it, it's yours.

If we were to look at the subject in total truth then Baltimore/Detroit and St. Louis ARE violating Federal LAW JUST as much if not more then Sanctuary Cities. Why are we fighting a modern day "civilized" government for a national right? Seems to me we would be throwing those traitors out of office as fast as we could find them.

Governments JOB is to protect our rights and our Sovereignty. Seems to me they are taking one illegally and NOT doing the other! Who is this government working for? It sure as hell does not seem like me. Lets see, you take guns and the rule of law out and put criminals in and you expect me to build and prosper?

What the hell am I building and what's it worth? Show me where the safety and Sovereignty is in that. The two base things ANY nation needs to survive and to grow. And you want me to build without either?

You folks better keep your guns because the ones WITH guns will be the SAME folks running the country.

Fury

I promise you. I actually PROMISE you that within the next 10 years, regardless of the party in power, there WILL be a movement to remove the second amendment from our Constitution and, as of right now, I would bet you odds that the movement will be successful. Quicker if the bitch Hillary wins the election.

All this is coming about (from the left) as a means of "protecting" the populace. It's basically the same idea that has placed every tyrant in history in power. "The first step is to disarm the populace" - Adolph Hitler. It was the same with Mussolini, Tojo, Mao Se Tung and the rest. They do it to "protect" us.

Now, were that actually the case - we wouldn't have automobiles, 5 gallon buckets or hell, even carnival rides. Not to mention, alcohol and tobacco. Those things don't count - because they keep us - entertained and stupid. But GUNS!!!! Now there is your direct threat to the men and women who wear the togas. One thing about firearm ownership is that it gives the owner "leverage".

Now "Sanctuary cities"? Nothing bad there - it is bringing a complete and total change to the landscape of America. Instead of a population of mainly white, educated patriots - we are building a nation of brown people who are used to being oppressed - just as they were in Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc etc - while the power structure remains predominantly "white" and "rich". Sort of reminds you of the days or Lords and Ladies, doesn't it?

I truly don't intend to rain on the parade of the liberals - but prepare yourselves. You won't count any more than the rest of us in the near future. Congratulations. You "useful idiots" will have brought down the greatest country that has ever existed on earth. Hope you reap what you have sewn.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

DorkoDumDum -
EXACTLY what rights have you been denied?
Just tell Joe Duh Ho Arpaio. Seeing as how he's your BFF and junk, I'll bet he'll take care of it in no time.

TRANSLATION: I can't refute anything you said, but I hate it anyway. SO I'll attack the messenger instead, call you names, call the people who agree with you names, and throw out silly smears and insults. Maybe I can fool someone somewhere into thinking you're wrong anyway, even though I can't find anything to back it up.

Okay ... Then EXACTLY what rights are you being denied?

LOL

[emoji849]

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I'm granted a national right at birth and I need permission? If its a national right I don't need a damn thing. And they want you to register and pay for that national right. Nothing in that right says I have to register and there is nothing that says government can extort money to "allow" a right.

That argument came to the forefront the other day when one of this sites liberals INSISTED that states have the right to REMOVE national rights. How truly stupid can one get? As a state, any state joins the United States that state AGREES to ANY and ALL national rights. There is no question and there is no exception.

That is what prevents state leaders from becoming dictators. Now in most liberals cities you can't get one. So they are in fact trying to DENY your right. Yet in other liberal cities you can get one but it costs you money. So in fact your national right is being extorted for money. We don't have those issues here in Arizona. You DON'T beg for a right or buy it, it's yours.

If we were to look at the subject in total truth then Baltimore/Detroit and St. Louis ARE violating Federal LAW JUST as much if not more then Sanctuary Cities. Why are we fighting a modern day "civilized" government for a national right? Seems to me we would be throwing those traitors out of office as fast as we could find them.

Governments JOB is to protect our rights and our Sovereignty. Seems to me they are taking one illegally and NOT doing the other! Who is this government working for? It sure as hell does not seem like me. Lets see, you take guns and the rule of law out and put criminals in and you expect me to build and prosper?

What the hell am I building and what's it worth? Show me where the safety and Sovereignty is in that. The two base things ANY nation needs to survive and to grow. And you want me to build without either?

You folks better keep your guns because the ones WITH guns will be the SAME folks running the country.

Fury

I promise you. I actually PROMISE you that within the next 10 years, regardless of the party in power, there WILL be a movement to remove the second amendment from our Constitution and, as of right now, I would bet you odds that the movement will be successful. Quicker if the bitch Hillary wins the election.

All this is coming about (from the left) as a means of "protecting" the populace. It's basically the same idea that has placed every tyrant in history in power. "The first step is to disarm the populace" - Adolph Hitler. It was the same with Mussolini, Tojo, Mao Se Tung and the rest. They do it to "protect" us.

Now, were that actually the case - we wouldn't have automobiles, 5 gallon buckets or hell, even carnival rides. Not to mention, alcohol and tobacco. Those things don't count - because they keep us - entertained and stupid. But GUNS!!!! Now there is your direct threat to the men and women who wear the togas. One thing about firearm ownership is that it gives the owner "leverage".

Now "Sanctuary cities"? Nothing bad there - it is bringing a complete and total change to the landscape of America. Instead of a population of mainly white, educated patriots - we are building a nation of brown people who are used to being oppressed - just as they were in Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc etc - while the power structure remains predominantly "white" and "rich". Sort of reminds you of the days or Lords and Ladies, doesn't it?

I truly don't intend to rain on the parade of the liberals - but prepare yourselves. You won't count any more than the rest of us in the near future. Congratulations. You "useful idiots" will have brought down the greatest country that has ever existed on earth. Hope you reap what you have sewn.

Uh Randie - you're another one who types from your hiding place under the bed.

[emoji23]

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Our rights are natural, not national. They are not granted to us by the govt...it is the duty of govt to.protect them. When the govt ceases to do so, it is our duty to eliminate the acting govt and re- establish a constitutional one.

That total absence of fact and logic is why you RWNJ traitors want known and suspected terrorists all the guns they want. Same with you wanting Iran to have nuke weapons.

Dummies.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I'm granted a national right at birth and I need permission? If its a national right I don't need a damn thing. And they want you to register and pay for that national right. Nothing in that right says I have to register and there is nothing that says government can extort money to "allow" a right.

That argument came to the forefront the other day when one of this sites liberals INSISTED that states have the right to REMOVE national rights. How truly stupid can one get? As a state, any state joins the United States that state AGREES to ANY and ALL national rights. There is no question and there is no exception.

That is what prevents state leaders from becoming dictators. Now in most liberals cities you can't get one. So they are in fact trying to DENY your right. Yet in other liberal cities you can get one but it costs you money. So in fact your national right is being extorted for money. We don't have those issues here in Arizona. You DON'T beg for a right or buy it, it's yours.

If we were to look at the subject in total truth then Baltimore/Detroit and St. Louis ARE violating Federal LAW JUST as much if not more then Sanctuary Cities. Why are we fighting a modern day "civilized" government for a national right? Seems to me we would be throwing those traitors out of office as fast as we could find them.

Governments JOB is to protect our rights and our Sovereignty. Seems to me they are taking one illegally and NOT doing the other! Who is this government working for? It sure as hell does not seem like me. Lets see, you take guns and the rule of law out and put criminals in and you expect me to build and prosper?

What the hell am I building and what's it worth? Show me where the safety and Sovereignty is in that. The two base things ANY nation needs to survive and to grow. And you want me to build without either?

You folks better keep your guns because the ones WITH guns will be the SAME folks running the country.

Fury

I promise you. I actually PROMISE you that within the next 10 years, regardless of the party in power, there WILL be a movement to remove the second amendment from our Constitution and, as of right now, I would bet you odds that the movement will be successful. Quicker if the bitch Hillary wins the election.

All this is coming about (from the left) as a means of "protecting" the populace. It's basically the same idea that has placed every tyrant in history in power. "The first step is to disarm the populace" - Adolph Hitler. It was the same with Mussolini, Tojo, Mao Se Tung and the rest. They do it to "protect" us.

Now, were that actually the case - we wouldn't have automobiles, 5 gallon buckets or hell, even carnival rides. Not to mention, alcohol and tobacco. Those things don't count - because they keep us - entertained and stupid. But GUNS!!!! Now there is your direct threat to the men and women who wear the togas. One thing about firearm ownership is that it gives the owner "leverage".

Now "Sanctuary cities"? Nothing bad there - it is bringing a complete and total change to the landscape of America. Instead of a population of mainly white, educated patriots - we are building a nation of brown people who are used to being oppressed - just as they were in Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc etc - while the power structure remains predominantly "white" and "rich". Sort of reminds you of the days or Lords and Ladies, doesn't it?

I truly don't intend to rain on the parade of the liberals - but prepare yourselves. You won't count any more than the rest of us in the near future. Congratulations. You "useful idiots" will have brought down the greatest country that has ever existed on earth. Hope you reap what you have sewn.

Uh Randie - you're another one who types from your hiding place under the bed.

[emoji23]

Whatever you say you "Useful Idiot". I guess we'll see, won't we? As for "hiding under the bed" - You don't know me. I tell you what is coming and you call me "scared". Nope. I'm ready. You? You remind me of the picture of the German lady sitting with her head in her hands in Nazi Germany saying "But, we didn't know".

There is no one so damned blind as he who will not see.

 

[DarkFury]

Our rights are natural, not national. They are not granted to us by the govt...it is the duty of govt to.protect them. When the govt ceases to do so, it is our duty to eliminate the acting govt and re- establish a constitutional one.

That total absence of fact and logic is why you RWNJ traitors want known and suspected terrorists all the guns they want. Same with you wanting Iran to have nuke weapons.

Dummies.

Luddly must be mentally ill. Holder gave guns to the drug cartels and Obama nukes to iran.

Call your doctor Luddly, we don't want little ones hurt.

 

[Markle]

If it's unconstitutional, why don't you take it to the Supreme Court? Probably someone has already tried. Personally, I have run into quite a few people I hope to hell don't have a "right" any longer to a gun. You may be born with that right, but some people's actions deserve taking that right away. How does that get monitored except by registration, which requires time and money, necessitating a fee?
It isn't the law abiding gun owners who screw things up for the rest of us, but screw it up they do. And we pay for it. I don't see any way around it.

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

How do we make it harder for violent criminals and violently mentally ill people from buying guns otherwise? Okay, get the registration done by some centralized, independent bureau and have the cost of it absorbed in the cost of the weapon? So people just don't realize they're paying for it?

This was your last paragraph:
If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?[/QUOTE]
How do we make it harder for violent criminals and violently mentally ill people from buying guns otherwise? Okay, get the registration done by some centralized, independent bureau and have the cost of it absorbed in the cost of the weapon? So people just don't realize they're paying for it?

Perhaps you could take a poll in Detroit, Washington, DC and maybe the South Side of Chicago and see how many criminals and violent, mentally ill people would register their guns. That should give you a good idea of how that will reduce gun violence and crime.

Zilch!

 

[koshergrl]

Our rights are natural, not national. They are not granted to us by the govt...it is the duty of govt to.protect them. When the govt ceases to do so, it is our duty to eliminate the acting govt and re- establish a constitutional one.

That total absence of fact and logic is why you RWNJ traitors want known and suspected terrorists all the guns they want. Same with you wanting Iran to have nuke weapons.

Dummies.

Our rights are natural, not national. They are not granted to us by the govt...it is the duty of govt to.protect them. When the govt ceases to do so, it is our duty to eliminate the acting govt and re- establish a constitutional one.

That total absence of fact and logic is why you RWNJ traitors want known and suspected terrorists all the guns they want. Same with you wanting Iran to have nuke weapons.

Dummies.

Luddly must be mentally ill. Holder gave guns to the drug cartels and Obama nukes to iran.

Call your doctor Luddly, we don't want little ones hurt.

Yes he's nuts, and not in a good way. Also stupid...dangerous combo

 

[Markle]

Yes...our Rights predate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights....those documents simply record them for all to see....we have them simply because we exist...not because of the government granting them.......that is where the left goes wrong....they believe the government grants the rights......

No. Those rights were put in the Bill of Rights because the goverrnments elsewhere DID in that time have the right to limit/grant gun ownership. We made it a God Given Right with our language, WE MADE IT UP!

No, we did not "make it up". Our country is founded on Christian/Judeo principals. The Holy Bible tells us that Jesus strongly supports an individuals right of self defense.

 

[Markle]

This thread is an example of conservatives exercising their right to be ignorant and wrong – a right they exercised frequently.

Bottom line, you have nothing of value to add. We knew that.

 

[Markle]

If it's unconstitutional, why don't you take it to the Supreme Court? Probably someone has already tried. Personally, I have run into quite a few people I hope to hell don't have a "right" any longer to a gun. You may be born with that right, but some people's actions deserve taking that right away. How does that get monitored except by registration, which requires time and money, necessitating a fee?
It isn't the law abiding gun owners who screw things up for the rest of us, but screw it up they do. And we pay for it. I don't see any way around it.

If a state or city government can require that you buy a right. Which ones can you afford and for how long?

Gun ownership is no different than voting....the democrats used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from being able to vote....the calls for registration, licensing, and training requirements are simply Poll Taxes and Literacy tests for guns......

Felons are blocked from voting, voters also register, is that some sort of poll tax in your fucked up world?

Many felons are blocked from voting, but others run for office as democrats. Harold Washington ring a bell?

Lest we forget the late Ted Kennedy.