I want it back: it was Camelot

[SuMar]

Ronald Reagan was a democrat at one time. I believe he quoted, "I didn't leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me."

Something along those lines.

 

[Spoonman]

I want people back that I knew as Democrats. I want good men and women who believed in chasing a dream. I want my liberals back.

I want Camelot not Communist dreams. I want real hope and change not dime store bullies from Chicago.

I want the real deal.

i was a democrat. I still am a registered democrat. but i don't support todays democratic party in any way shape or form. what the party represents today is nothing that i signed on for. Democratic policies have so alienated me and their recent passions for compromising rights and trying to redefine the original intent of the principles that funded this country make it impossible for me to vote for a democrat at all. and you could argue there are many who are doing a good job or at least as good a job as a the republicans. but I can't get past the way they partisan block vote on violations of my rights. This whole gun grabbing hysteria has brought that to a very frightening light. it is obvious any democrat I help put in office will party vote on agenda items. I just can't stand for that. Not at the cost of what they are trying to take from me.

 

[Circe]

Ronald Reagan was a democrat at one time. I believe he quoted, "I didn't leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me."

Something along those lines.

We all say that.

Unluckily, it's always true.

Political parties make complete and total reversals, chasing votes and demographics.

People don't change so fast.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It's difficult to imagine a Democrat today running on implementing FDR's Second/Economic Bill of Rights, as JFK and the Dems did in 1960.

There are only a few heirs to that tradition in federal elected office today (Teddy Kennedy was obviously the exemplar of that wing of the party for decades) and I'm not sure I see any of them running for president any time soon.

Ted was not in the same league as his brothers....

Sure he was.

Even moreso..because he got a great deal of progressive legislation through congress.

The conservatives conflated an auto accident into murder, which essentially squashed him ever running for President.

But I guess he was sorta vindicated when Romney ran.

A man with the same sort of auto accident on his record.

i don't give a rats ass about Romney Sallow.....i was not even remotely a supporter of his....now back to what the topic was....compared to his 2 brothers....Ted was a dirt bag...and if you think someone not saying anything about someone in his car at the bottom of a river is ok so as to not fuck up his political career.....then that says something about you.....Ted ruined his own Presidential bid....don't blame it on Conservatives....

 

[Harry Dresden]

bullshit...Clinton had plenty of opposition from those asswipes and he managed to keep the gap between the 2 parties from splintering like this guy and Bush have let happen....Bush and Obama are the first 2 Presidents that i have experienced that seemed to be just talking to the People who support them,everyone else ....fuck you.... that's ...piss poor leadership skills.....

. Repugs simply won't accept that Obama is the duly elected leader.

what does that mean?....that everyone is supposed to follow the guy even if you don't want what he wants?......just let him decide?....that's what guys like Franco and Lakota do....and the hacks on the right did it with Bush....

You know how people know who a leader is?

Because he's got the people following him.

Whoops, that wouldn't be the big 0.

Well, he has more people following him than the Repug candidate managed. Maybe you don't recognize leadership unless Rush tells you so.

apparently you don't understand what leadership is yourself.....winning an Election is one thing....."leading" a Country is another.....when you are President you are supposed to everyone's leader.....not just your party or those who agree with you....

 

[Borillar]

You know how people know who a leader is?

Because he's got the people following him.

Whoops, that wouldn't be the big 0.

Well, he has more people following him than the Repug candidate managed. Maybe you don't recognize leadership unless Rush tells you so.

apparently you don't understand what leadership is yourself.....winning an Election is one thing....."leading" a Country is another.....when you are President you are supposed to everyone's leader.....not just your party or those who agree with you....

Don't tell me Harry, tell the republicans.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Were you alive during the Clinton administration? Republicans tried to destroy his presidency just like they are trying to destroy Obama's presidency. They put his entire life under a microscope and endless investigations. Then they impeached him. If anything, they were even bigger assholes then, if that is even possible.

What I mean is that Repugs need to let the man do his job. They don't like his proposals? Fine, vote against them, but at least let things come up for a vote. It would be nice if they would work on jobs like they promised to do instead of devote all their time and energy in muckraking, investigating, and naysaying.

do you know how to read?.....i said......"Clinton had plenty of opposition from those asswipes and he managed to keep the gap between the 2 parties from splintering like this guy and Bush have let happen"......Clinton had some leadership ability.....Obama does not....Clinton was able to make a lot of people on the right give him the benefit of the doubt and let him do his job....Obama does not have that ability.....when i was delivering Mail there were an awful lot of Democrats on my route who were pretty unsure of Obama after he got in....and they claimed they voted for him....there aint nothing like a leader who can lead....

Bullshit. They didn't give Clinton the benefit of the doubt. They were too busy shutting down the government and sniffing underwear. When Clinton responded to terrorism, they called it "wagging the dog." Anything Clinton accomplished during his terms was in spite of Republicans efforts - same as Obama.

They didn't give Clinton the benefit of the doubt.

i am talking the People not the Assholes in DC.....they have their own agenda.....i knew lots of Republicans that disagreed with Clinton but still considered him their President......cant say that about Obama.....i knew some Democrats that were having their doubts about voting for him....and did not last time around.....they said they just did not vote for the President....

....when Clinton talked,i felt like he was addressing me as well as everyone else....when Bush spoke it was like he was looking only at the right side of the room....when Obama speaks it is like he is looking past me and looking over to the left side of the room....you Borilla just cant except the fact that Obama is not a very good President.....that he is no where near as good as Clinton was......

 

[boilermaker55]

Again you have your head in the sand or some place else. Never make a comment about the subsidies that rob this country to those that do not need them but exploit the hell out of everything.
As long as you never see that the longer you are going to be blind.

The tea party are the biggest bunch of... people exploiting cowards ever....

In libtard-speak, "people exploiting" = "how dare you expect me to work - I'm a third-generation entitled libtard and my mommy & daddy promised me that government would provide ALL of my wants and needs so that I would never have to work".

I'll tell you, our founders and all of the great Americans through the first half of the 20th-century are rolling over in their graves at the new generation of lazy parasites like Boilermaker here who believe that being free in America and blessed enough to have a job is "exploitation".

Can you imagine what these lazy, useless fuck-sticks would do if they had to experience real "exploitation" (like China)? Oh what I wouldn't give to see that for even one day. These little libtard bitches would fall down and cry (and then would promptly get their lazy asses whipped by the ruling class for not working).

 

[Sallow]

Ted was not in the same league as his brothers....

Sure he was.

Even moreso..because he got a great deal of progressive legislation through congress.

The conservatives conflated an auto accident into murder, which essentially squashed him ever running for President.

But I guess he was sorta vindicated when Romney ran.

A man with the same sort of auto accident on his record.

i don't give a rats ass about Romney Sallow.....i was not even remotely a supporter of his....now back to what the topic was....compared to his 2 brothers....Ted was a dirt bag...and if you think someone not saying anything about someone in his car at the bottom of a river is ok so as to not fuck up his political career.....then that says something about you.....Ted ruined his own Presidential bid....don't blame it on Conservatives....

Naw.

What I am saying is that you guys have no standards. None. Zip. Zero.

Because you don't hold them up to everyone.

If you guys did..McCain would have never been a Republican, neither would Bush or plenty of other guys that were elected.

Seems the skeletons in the Closet don't matter to you folks as long as the politics match up.

 

[Sunshine]

I want people back that I knew as Democrats. I want good men and women who believed in chasing a dream. I want my liberals back.

I want Camelot not Communist dreams. I want real hope and change not dime store bullies from Chicago.

I want the real deal.

So do I. I believe if Kennedy had not been killed the Vietnam war would have ended long before it did and civil rights changes would have occurred without riots in the streets.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Well, he has more people following him than the Repug candidate managed. Maybe you don't recognize leadership unless Rush tells you so.

apparently you don't understand what leadership is yourself.....winning an Election is one thing....."leading" a Country is another.....when you are President you are supposed to everyone's leader.....not just your party or those who agree with you....

Don't tell me Harry, tell the republicans.

its up to the guy "leading".... to earn the respect he needs to "lead".....and that is up to Obama....and he has blown a few moments when he could have earned some respect from Liberal and Moderate Republicans......and those blown moments were his fault....not Republicans....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Sure he was.

Even moreso..because he got a great deal of progressive legislation through congress.

The conservatives conflated an auto accident into murder, which essentially squashed him ever running for President.

But I guess he was sorta vindicated when Romney ran.

A man with the same sort of auto accident on his record.

i don't give a rats ass about Romney Sallow.....i was not even remotely a supporter of his....now back to what the topic was....compared to his 2 brothers....Ted was a dirt bag...and if you think someone not saying anything about someone in his car at the bottom of a river is ok so as to not fuck up his political career.....then that says something about you.....Ted ruined his own Presidential bid....don't blame it on Conservatives....

Naw.

What I am saying is that you guys have no standards. None. Zip. Zero.

Because you don't hold them up to everyone.

If you guys did..McCain would have never been a Republican, neither would Bush or plenty of other guys that were elected.

Seems the skeletons in the Closet don't matter to you folks as long as the politics match up.

what "guys" am i a part of now Sallow?....lets see Dean called me a "right wing wacko?.....i think it was Rabbi who called me a "Libturd"......now what group are you throwing me in?....

 

[francoHFW]

Pubs won't do a gd thing, even vote for their own ideas if it might help the country...ridiculous to say Obama is no leader lol...

 

[tinydancer]

i don't give a rats ass about Romney Sallow.....i was not even remotely a supporter of his....now back to what the topic was....compared to his 2 brothers....Ted was a dirt bag...and if you think someone not saying anything about someone in his car at the bottom of a river is ok so as to not fuck up his political career.....then that says something about you.....Ted ruined his own Presidential bid....don't blame it on Conservatives....

Naw.

What I am saying is that you guys have no standards. None. Zip. Zero.

Because you don't hold them up to everyone.

If you guys did..McCain would have never been a Republican, neither would Bush or plenty of other guys that were elected.

Seems the skeletons in the Closet don't matter to you folks as long as the politics match up.

what "guys" am i a part of now Sallow?....lets see Dean called me a "right wing wacko?.....i think it was Rabbi who called me a "Libturd"......now what group are you throwing me in?....

The way you are being labelled from left to right you are becoming a political "Sybil".

 

[francoHFW]

Actually, Obama is a black JFK who doesn't fool around on his wife. Sorry you're missing it in your alternate bs hater universe....

 

[Little-Acorn]

The problem with Democrats even back then is that, though the did not intend it, any move toward letting government do "just a little to help" people with the ordinary problems of life (instead of sticking strictly to protecting their rights and no more, which is government's real purpose)... once government is allowed to do "just a little", the next batch of politicians will ALWAYS gravitate toward "doing just a little more". And the next batch to doing more, etc. etc.

Liberalism, no matter how mildly started or with whatever good intentions, ALWAYS turns into a "race to the bottom" as politicians try to out-goodguy the others and spend more and more tax money on trinkets and goodies for the voters.

And you wind up with exactly the government we have today: Wallowing in debt, pouring out vast sums to people whose life doesn't get any better as a result, and screaming at the people who actually earn that money, for not being "generous enough". IN the meantime, actual charities who used to do that, shrink steadily, unable to compete with government's "free" money taken from people by force (ever seen what happens when you don't pay your taxes?)

Conservatives knew this back then, and resisted the plans of Kennedy et. al. as much as possible. To no avail.

You want Camelot back? Kennedy took it from you and redistributed it. Followed by more and more extreme versions of the same.

Although Johnson did much to expand the social welfare system, JFK actually did little.

Exactly my point. Kennedy didn't bring in a lot of liberalsim. He merely brought in a little... and in doing so, got Americans used to the (false) idea that government "helping" people was OK, a legitimate function.

Johnson then brought in a lot more.

And every successive liberal President (in both parties) brought in more and more.

Conservatives knew early on, that it would be a downward slide once the process started, and have fought it every step of the way. Unsuccessfully.

And now we have the gargantuan Nanny State of today, wallowing in debt, spending more on unproductive, unsuccessful leftist programs than earlier governments spent on ALL programs, even in the middle of WWII.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Actually, Obama is a black JFK who doesn't fool around on his wife. Sorry you're missing it in your alternate bs hater universe....

so if someone doesn't agree with you....they are a hater?....is that what you are saying?....

 

[Sallow]

i don't give a rats ass about Romney Sallow.....i was not even remotely a supporter of his....now back to what the topic was....compared to his 2 brothers....Ted was a dirt bag...and if you think someone not saying anything about someone in his car at the bottom of a river is ok so as to not fuck up his political career.....then that says something about you.....Ted ruined his own Presidential bid....don't blame it on Conservatives....

Naw.

What I am saying is that you guys have no standards. None. Zip. Zero.

Because you don't hold them up to everyone.

If you guys did..McCain would have never been a Republican, neither would Bush or plenty of other guys that were elected.

Seems the skeletons in the Closet don't matter to you folks as long as the politics match up.

what "guys" am i a part of now Sallow?....lets see Dean called me a "right wing wacko?.....i think it was Rabbi who called me a "Libturd"......now what group are you throwing me in?....

You claim to be a conservative.

Sheesh..

 

[Flopper]

[Although Johnson did much to expand the social welfare system, JFK actually did little. Had he been able to serve a second term, he may have been able to do a lot more. His administration was focused on dealing with Russia and Civil Rights.

Yeah, it was definitely Johnson who created our out-of-control Welfare State.

Also Vietnam. JFK had said he would not escalate that war. As soon as Johnson took over, he did.

Kennedy's policy toward South Vietnam rested on the assumption that Diem and his forces would ultimately defeat the guerrillas on their own. However, he had drawn a line in sand. Kennedy believe that another failure on the part of the United States to gain control and stop communist expansion would fatally damage U.S. credibility. Kennedy believed that Diem would be able to hold his own against the North and all that was needed from the US were advisers and little help from the CIA. He was of course wrong. With the fall of Diem, either the US had to commit more military or walk away.

Having perfect hindsight, I think we should have bailed out, but in light of what was going on at time, further military commitment was probably the right decision.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

We got HOPE back when Reagan took over....won the Olypic Gold in hockey, the mullahs in Iran cringed and gave us back our hostages, the "shining city on the hill" gave us all a new pride and they spruced up the Statue of Liberty and it looked like a new beginning. Then JFK's brother Tedward decided to side with Breshnev to stop Dutch from rebuilding our Armed Forces and the jackals followed his lead....Camelot was always fiction....JFK didn't even win that election fair and square. What are the chances of another Camelot? Sorry, what never was can never be again.

Oh bullshit.

Reagan engaged in treason when he made deals with the Iranians to get back the hostages in exchange for weapons.

And used that money to equip death squads in Central America.

Real pop tart.

You're dealing with borderline idiot white trash who idolize a man who told war stories based on movie plots. Most of the like here is for Jackie, a climber who put up with what it took from one powerful man to get status and took what she wanted from another one with most of the same considerations top notch call girls give.

On the upside of the Camelot Canard Kennedy was a legitimate war hero who bumbled through a real crisis for about 5% of the cost to taxpayers of Reagan's Madison Avenue generated crisis. Further, Kennedy knew the smell of hot oil and cold blood; there is no chance he'd have taken the bait that ignorant rebel fuck from Tejas did.

Seems to be a thang in Tejas, don't it?