If a child tells teachers they are transgender, should the school keep that secret from parents?

[progressive hunter]

Yes and No. It could just as easily a child going through a fad. I think it should be up to the teachers discretion, not mandated by law.

IMO, if a child starts wanting to play on sports teams, use bathrooms or locker rooms of their non-biological gender, that might be the point to talk with the parents.




Grades are a direct component of education and the reason they are going to school, so yes, teachers should report those sort of things. However, it is worthwhile noting that despite the importance…no one has put forth a law mandating it.


Why would it be too late? At what point is it appropriate, especially if it is just a fad?



Well…don’t Republicans assume that when it comes to a parent of a transgender child? Governor Abbot certainly does when he classified them as child abusers.



We don’t know. Nor do we “know” the overwhelming majority of parents will do so...we just don’t.



I know, right? Go figure.

you talk as if children are property and the person in possession can decide its fate,,

thats a very inhuman way of thinking,,

a teachers paid to teach,, that it,,

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes and No. It could just as easily a child going through a fad. I think it should be up to the teachers discretion, not mandated by law.

I could go along with that. I don't want to ever see a teacher punished for not calling a boy "she," even though I have advocated for that as a way to avoid disruptive behavior.

Yes, a wise teacher would know when to tell parents and when not. I once had a female student tell me that she was pansexual. I asked if that had anything to do with fried chicken. Later she told me that she was trans, and her name was James. At the next opportunity, I told her "James! Ladies first!" when she and a female student were picking a snack. That was the last I heard of James. But before I'd seriously treat her as a male student and chastise students for "deadnaming" her and whatnot, I'd want parents involved.

IMO, if a child starts wanting to play on sports teams, use bathrooms or locker rooms of their non-biological gender, that might be the point to talk with the parents.

My real concern is that schools not deliberately hide such information. Especially that they do not punish teachers for hiding that information.

Obviously, since safety comes first, kids (and adults) need to use the bathroom for their biological gender.

Just as obviously, since I know what an enormous benefit sports are for girls, I don't want girls sports to be dominated by boys.

Grades are a direct component of education and the reason they are going to school, so yes, teachers should report those sort of things. However, it is worthwhile noting that despite the importance…no one has put forth a law mandating it.

I had to look that up. At least in Texas, it is mandatory that parents have access to this information:

Sec. 26.004. ACCESS TO STUDENT RECORDS.
(a) In this section, "intervention strategy" means a strategy in a multi-tiered system of supports that is above the level of intervention generally used in that system with all children. The term includes response to intervention and other early intervening strategies.
(b) A parent is entitled to access to all written records of a school district concerning the parent's child, including:
(1) attendance records;
(2) test scores;
(3) grades;
(4) disciplinary records;
(5) counseling records;
(6) psychological records;
(7) applications for admission;
(8) health and immunization information;
(9) teacher and school counselor evaluations;
(10) reports of behavioral patterns; and
(11) records relating to assistance provided for learning difficulties, including information collected regarding any intervention strategies used with the child.

Why would it be too late? At what point is it appropriate, especially if it is just a fad?

Yes, that is right. "Gender affirming care" can wait. 18 should be the minimum age for anything but social transitioning and counselling. 21 for surgery.

Well…don’t Republicans assume that when it comes to a parent of a transgender child? Governor Abbot certainly does when he classified them as child abusers.

I disagree with Abbott's approach strongly, and I said so in this thread:

Tennessee governor signs laws banning gender-affirming care for minors and restricting drag shows

Tennessee's Republican Gov. Bill Lee on Thursday signed legislation banning minors from receiving gender-affirming care despite threats from civil rights organizations that vowed to sue if and when the bill becomes law. Lee also signed another law restricting drag shows from taking place in...

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Post #8.

Basically my point is that one state might report to CPS a parent providing "gender affirming care" while another state reports a parent for not doing so. It isn't CPS' role to make determinations like that, it is the state legislature's. I'd fully support a ban on transgender surgery and hormones for children, but not sic'ing CPS on parents who follow doctors poor advice.

We don’t know. Nor do we “know” the overwhelming majority of parents will do so...we just don’t.

The overwhelming majority of parents provide love support and guidance in general on most topics which is what I "know."

Whether those same loving, supportive and guiding parents will provide love, support and guidance specifically to a child who tells them they are transgender depends on how you define love, support and guidance in such a case. If you define it only as telling the child "you're right!" and quickly getting them to a gender specialist to get the hormines stared, I believe that would be a pretty small minority. Most loving parents first go-to would be to tell the child to wait before making up their mind about something like that. That's the best guidance in that situation.

I know, right? Go figure.

Yep . . .

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It isn’t the schools responsibility to tell the parents imo. They should strongly encourage the child to talk with their parents.

It's certainly not the school's place, not any teacher's place, to keep important secrets about a child, from that child's parents.

Since childhood, I was taught to regard it as a huge red flag, if an adult wants me to not tell my parents about something going on between me and that adult. An adult who has any part in keeping such secretes from a child's parents is someone that needs to be kept away from children.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Seeing how violent some people are I believe that is for the safety of the child. Some people are insane.

No, it's for the safety of the pedophiles. Childfuckers are much safer if the child's parents don't know what is going on with their child.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

youre dodging the subject,,

if a child tells a teacher they are gay or trans and the teacher deosnt tell the parents and then tells the student they arent gay or trans and grooms them in that direction does your policy of not telling the parents still apply??

No he's not. It's the question you won't answer. Do you want the parents to be the primary decision makers?..or do you want the teachers involved? Because so far, you've been explicit that the teachers should have no role in this.

 

[progressive hunter]

No he's not. It's the question you won't answer. Do you want the parents to be the primary decision makers?..or do you want the teachers involved? Because so far, you've been explicit that the teachers should have no role in this.

parents are the primary and ONLY decision makers,, the teachers teach and that it,,

and if you took time away from running your fucking mouth you would have noticed he changed what the fuck I said and made it sound like the teacher would give the transition therapy when what I really said was they would help them get it,,

so next time you run your cock sucker in public try not to make such a fool of yourself,,

now go back to sucking what ever cock you were sucking and let the adults handle the problems,,

in other words

FUCK OFF!!

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

parents are the primary and ONLY decision makers,, the teachers teach and that it,,

and if you took time away from running your fucking mouth you would have noticed he changed what the fuck I said and made it sound like the teacher would give the transition therapy when what I really said was they would help them get it,,

so next time you run your cock sucker in public try not to make such a fool of yourself,,

now go back to sucking what ever cock you were sucking and let the adults handle the problems,,

in other words

FUCK OFF!!

Little angry there, aren't ya, little fella!
Bottom line is the teacher should encourage the child to talk to their parents.
If the child is a teen, by all means bring counseling, but the parents are still involved.
I get it, you need something to be outraged by. That is the way of the alt-right.

 

[progressive hunter]

Little angry there, aren't ya, little fella!
Bottom line is the teacher should encourage the child to talk to their parents.
If the child is a teen, by all means bring counseling, but the parents are still involved.
I get it, you need something to be outraged by. That is the way of the alt-right.

so nothing about him changing what I said that you were whining about??

nice little word dance you got going there,,

 

[Coyote]

I could go along with that. I don't want to ever see a teacher punished for not calling a boy "she," even though I have advocated for that as a way to avoid disruptive behavior.

Yes, a wise teacher would know when to tell parents and when not. I once had a female student tell me that she was pansexual. I asked if that had anything to do with fried chicken. Later she told me that she was trans, and her name was James. At the next opportunity, I told her "James! Ladies first!" when she and a female student were picking a snack. That was the last I heard of James. But before I'd seriously treat her as a male student and chastise students for "deadnaming" her and whatnot, I'd want parents involved.

My real concern is that schools not deliberately hide such information. Especially that they do not punish teachers for hiding that information.

Obviously, since safety comes first, kids (and adults) need to use the bathroom for their biological gender.

Just as obviously, since I know what an enormous benefit sports are for girls, I don't want girls sports to be dominated by boys.


I had to look that up. At least in Texas, it is mandatory that parents have access to this information:

Sec. 26.004. ACCESS TO STUDENT RECORDS.
(a) In this section, "intervention strategy" means a strategy in a multi-tiered system of supports that is above the level of intervention generally used in that system with all children. The term includes response to intervention and other early intervening strategies.
(b) A parent is entitled to access to all written records of a school district concerning the parent's child, including:
(1) attendance records;
(2) test scores;
(3) grades;
(4) disciplinary records;
(5) counseling records;
(6) psychological records;
(7) applications for admission;
(8) health and immunization information;
(9) teacher and school counselor evaluations;
(10) reports of behavioral patterns; and
(11) records relating to assistance provided for learning difficulties, including information collected regarding any intervention strategies used with the child.


Yes, that is right. "Gender affirming care" can wait. 18 should be the minimum age for anything but social transitioning and counselling. 21 for surgery.

I disagree with Abbott's approach strongly, and I said so in this thread:

Tennessee governor signs laws banning gender-affirming care for minors and restricting drag shows

Tennessee's Republican Gov. Bill Lee on Thursday signed legislation banning minors from receiving gender-affirming care despite threats from civil rights organizations that vowed to sue if and when the bill becomes law. Lee also signed another law restricting drag shows from taking place in...

www.usmessageboard.com

Post #8.

Basically my point is that one state might report to CPS a parent providing "gender affirming care" while another state reports a parent for not doing so. It isn't CPS' role to make determinations like that, it is the state legislature's. I'd fully support a ban on transgender surgery and hormones for children, but not sic'ing CPS on parents who follow doctors poor advice.

The overwhelming majority of parents provide love support and guidance in general on most topics which is what I "know."

Whether those same loving, supportive and guiding parents will provide love, support and guidance specifically to a child who tells them they are transgender depends on how you define love, support and guidance in such a case. If you define it only as telling the child "you're right!" and quickly getting them to a gender specialist to get the hormines stared, I believe that would be a pretty small minority. Most loving parents first go-to would be to tell the child to wait before making up their mind about something like that. That's the best guidance in that situation.

Yep . . .

I think in much of these, we actually agree

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The real question should be "if a teacher tells a student they are transexual and wants the kid to keep it a secret from their parents, would it be better to tie the teacher over the emerging culms of particularly fast growing Bambusa olhamii or cover them in honey and place them over a giant nest of Mrymecia gulosa?

 

[BackAgain]

I’m not sure the teachers should be transgender.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The real question should be "if a teacher tells a student they are transexual and wants the kid to keep it a secret from their parents, would it be better to tie the teacher over the emerging culms of particularly fast growing Bambusa olhamii or cover them in honey and place them over a giant nest of Mrymecia gulosa?

How about scaphism? It's difficult to think of anyone more deserving of that, than depraved perverts who prey on children.

Scaphism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Coyote]

I’m not sure the teachers should be transgender.

Why? As long as they can teach, don’t break laws and rules, who cares?

 

[Coyote]

Little angry there, aren't ya, little fella!
Bottom line is the teacher should encourage the child to talk to their parents.
If the child is a teen, by all means bring counseling, but the parents are still involved.
I get it, you need something to be outraged by. That is the way of the alt-right.

This.

 

[progressive hunter]

Why? As long as they can teach, don’t break laws and rules, who cares?

theyre breaking the laws of nature,,

 

[Coyote]

It's certainly not the school's place, not any teacher's place, to keep important secrets about a child, from that child's parents.

What is an important secret and at what point does it become important? You guys lay a hell of a lot on teachers and then blame them when the kid isn’t learning.

IMO, unless there is the possibility of self harm the teachers first duty is to strongly encourage the child to talk to their parents first. I strongly suspect that if a child really is transgender, as opposed to following a fad, the parents already have an inkling, wouldn’t you think?

Since childhood, I was taught to regard it as a huge red flag, if an adult wants me to not tell my parents about something going on between me and that adult. An adult who has any part in keeping such secretes from a child's parents is someone that needs to be kept away from children.

If a teacher tells a child NOT to tell their parents, then that is a big red flag in my book also.

 

[Coyote]

theyre breaking the laws of nature,,

So is anyone that gets a face lift. So what?

 

[Coyote]

you talk as if children are property and the person in possession can decide its fate,,

No. That is your interpretation.

thats a very inhuman way of thinking,,

Yes. It is. Children are not property. Not even of their parents.

a teachers paid to teach,, that it,,

Yup. So quit shoving all this other crap on them.

 

[progressive hunter]

What is an important secret and at what point does it become important? You guys lay a hell of a lot on teachers and then blame them when the kid isn’t learning.

IMO, unless there is the possibility of self harm the teachers first duty is to strongly encourage the child to talk to their parents first. I strongly suspect that if a child really is transgender, as opposed to following a fad, the parents already have an inkling, wouldn’t you think?


If a teacher tells a child NOT to tell their parents, then that is a big red flag in my book also.

teaching/learning is their one and only job,,
if they didnt spend theor time indoctrinating perversion and focused on teaching they might be better teachers,,

my god youre one dumb fucking skank,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

So is anyone that gets a face lift. So what?

my god youre a dumb fucking skank,,,