If God's Flood was only a regional flood...

[hobelim]

...Then why would god order Noah to take 2 of every animal, if all the animals weren't going to drown because the flood wasn't worldwide as many posters here contend?

okay, let's look at this stupidity.

First, if he took only two of every animal, every animal species would have gone extinct in a couple generations due to inbreeding.

Second, if it was a world wide flood, how did the Marsupials know to go back to Australia? How did they get to where the Ark was to start with.

Also, if Noah was from the Mesopotamian region and ended up at Mount Ararat, after being on a boat floating for a year, how is it he didn't go very far from where he started.

Even in today's oceans, boats that were washed out to sea in the Japanese Tsunami ended up at the Western American coast a year later.

Furthermore, if the oceans rose enough to cover every mountain in the world, how would have they been able to breath. If you go to the top of Mt. Everest or any other really tall mountain, you need to bring oxygen to breath.

You see how the logical problems compound when you make these silly arguments?

lol... it wasn't a year, it was 40 days,, Two of every animal was not necessarily about kangaroos and chickens etc. just like kosher law is not about food or animals.

Mountains in scripture represent big shots who loomed over the human landscape.

That would mean a flood of 6 or 7 feet would have covered even the highest mountain...

The splash of a meteor hitting the indian ocean would account for water rising into the sky, fountains of the deep opening up, coastal civilizations and every settlement near streams rivers or dry washes in the deserts would have been swept clean away, and there would have been enough water instantly vaporized into the atmosphere to encircle the globe and caused a worldwide deluge of torrential rain that would have lasted for weeks.

They didn't have to exaggerate much when using this near extinction event as a basis for teaching a moral children story. ....


Burckle Crater - Wikipedia


A large scale tsunami, moving outward from an epicenter in the vicinity of Burckle Crater would become focused as it passed into the Arabian Sea and would roll right up into the Persian Gulf. How far inland this tsunami would travel before exhausting itself would depend on the height of the wave and the topographical gradient over which it was moving. But consider this: from the northern coastline of the Persian Gulf at Kuwait, to a point in the Tigris-Euphrates lowland where the elevation rises to at least 500 feet above sea level is more than 500 miles inland. In other words, a 500 or 600 foot tsunami traveling up the Persian Gulf would have nothing to arrest its momentum as it traveled inland a distance of some 500 miles. The entire plain of the Tigris-Euphrates valley would be completely overwhelmed.

So you're saying that a tsunami from the Indian Ocean would have flooded the whole of the Middle East, including Turkey, for 40 days?

Thats not what I said, but whatever.....lol

Did you have this much trouble keeping up in grade school?

Buy yourself a map, then look at it. What you claim is dumb. As per usual.

What I said was just one of the many aftereffects of a large meteor landing in the middle of the ocean. The combined effect would have been mind boggling to people alive at the time. It would be mind boggling to us.

They would have never seen such superstorms mega tsunamis inland flooding or a torrential deluge of such intensity and duration or anything like it before or since.

Is it any wonder that they would have concluded that there was a being of unimaginable power up there who was pretty pissed off?

Wouldn't the survivors have concluded that they were favored in some way and needed to appease this invisible being lest they incur his wrath?

Why else would people from all around the world start building massive structures to honor the gods or sacrifice virgins, and making offerings of their finest goods at the same time if nothing more traumatic than seasonal flooding happened?

Why did they all start telling flood stories as a basis to teach their children to be better people than the ones who perished unless humans beings were almost wiped out completely?

 

[Taz]

okay, let's look at this stupidity.

First, if he took only two of every animal, every animal species would have gone extinct in a couple generations due to inbreeding.

Second, if it was a world wide flood, how did the Marsupials know to go back to Australia? How did they get to where the Ark was to start with.

Also, if Noah was from the Mesopotamian region and ended up at Mount Ararat, after being on a boat floating for a year, how is it he didn't go very far from where he started.

Even in today's oceans, boats that were washed out to sea in the Japanese Tsunami ended up at the Western American coast a year later.

Furthermore, if the oceans rose enough to cover every mountain in the world, how would have they been able to breath. If you go to the top of Mt. Everest or any other really tall mountain, you need to bring oxygen to breath.

You see how the logical problems compound when you make these silly arguments?

lol... it wasn't a year, it was 40 days,, Two of every animal was not necessarily about kangaroos and chickens etc. just like kosher law is not about food or animals.

Mountains in scripture represent big shots who loomed over the human landscape.

That would mean a flood of 6 or 7 feet would have covered even the highest mountain...

The splash of a meteor hitting the indian ocean would account for water rising into the sky, fountains of the deep opening up, coastal civilizations and every settlement near streams rivers or dry washes in the deserts would have been swept clean away, and there would have been enough water instantly vaporized into the atmosphere to encircle the globe and caused a worldwide deluge of torrential rain that would have lasted for weeks.

They didn't have to exaggerate much when using this near extinction event as a basis for teaching a moral children story. ....


Burckle Crater - Wikipedia


A large scale tsunami, moving outward from an epicenter in the vicinity of Burckle Crater would become focused as it passed into the Arabian Sea and would roll right up into the Persian Gulf. How far inland this tsunami would travel before exhausting itself would depend on the height of the wave and the topographical gradient over which it was moving. But consider this: from the northern coastline of the Persian Gulf at Kuwait, to a point in the Tigris-Euphrates lowland where the elevation rises to at least 500 feet above sea level is more than 500 miles inland. In other words, a 500 or 600 foot tsunami traveling up the Persian Gulf would have nothing to arrest its momentum as it traveled inland a distance of some 500 miles. The entire plain of the Tigris-Euphrates valley would be completely overwhelmed.

So you're saying that a tsunami from the Indian Ocean would have flooded the whole of the Middle East, including Turkey, for 40 days?

Thats not what I said, but whatever.....lol

Did you have this much trouble keeping up in grade school?

Buy yourself a map, then look at it. What you claim is dumb. As per usual.

What I said was just one of the many aftereffects of a large meteor landing in the middle of the ocean. The combined effect would have been mind boggling to people alive at the time. It would be mind boggling to us.

They would have never seen such superstorms mega tsunamis inland flooding or a torrential deluge of such intensity and duration or anything like it before or since.

Is it any wonder that they would have concluded that there was a being of unimaginable power up there who was pretty pissed off?

Wouldn't the survivors have concluded that they were favored in some way and needed to appease this invisible being lest they incur his wrath?

Why else would people from all around the world start building massive structures to honor the gods or sacrifice virgins, and making offerings of their finest goods at the same time if nothing more traumatic than seasonal flooding happened?

Why did they all start telling flood stories as a basis to teach their children to be better people than the ones who perished unless humans beings were almost wiped out completely?

Do you make this shit up as you go along?

 

[ding]

What do you mean what this means for possible other universes? It means there isn't any evidence for them. First, it was established that one couldn't have an universe where our science experiments would not work. What was determined was in the core of scientists who believe in cosmic expansion, in order to explain how a "big bang" could expand in the way our universe is laid out, would accept all possible worlds. It was pointed out to them, just like I am pointing out to you now. We can't have worlds where our science does not work. Second, there isn't any experiment where to show how something, even of infinite density and temperature could expand in such a way that our universe ends up in the manner that it did. There is no evidence for cosmic expansion which these scientists keep looking for. They proposed a cosmology, but nothing backs it up. The other thing that we didn't even discuss is one can't have any point of infinite mass or temperature because the math doesn't work. To have any ginormous "infinite" anything -- density, mass, temperature, widgets, anything -- one is dividing by zero, 1000/0 = infinity. I learned only God can divide by zero. If we can divide by zero, then 5 x 0 = 5. In regular math, 10/5 = 2 or 2 x 5 = 10. Only a creator can create five items to make 5 x 0 = 5.

What's equally strange is you just ignore what I proposed of the possibility of multiple dimensions. Why do you continue to believe in multiverses where our science does not work and of infinite possible outcomes? Wouldn't God live in one of them if this were true ha ha? Mine is backed by scientific principles while yours is backed by faith in the "religion" of singularity and cosmic expansion.

Multiple universes are predicted by math. Nothing says that other universes don't have different laws, more dimensions...

You can't have worlds in this universe that work by different laws of this one, ok, but who knows what's beyond our universe or what might have existed before the BB.

If they were all created by the same process then they all have the same laws.

You don't know that, and no, nothing says that they couldn't have different laws and dimensions...

So you think there are different processes which create multiverses? Why would you think that? You are adding unnecessary complexity.

I think anything's possible until it has been ruled out properly. You need to up your critical thinking game, brah.

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

 

[hobelim]

Multiple universes are predicted by math. Nothing says that other universes don't have different laws, more dimensions...

You can't have worlds in this universe that work by different laws of this one, ok, but who knows what's beyond our universe or what might have existed before the BB.

If they were all created by the same process then they all have the same laws.

You don't know that, and no, nothing says that they couldn't have different laws and dimensions...

So you think there are different processes which create multiverses? Why would you think that? You are adding unnecessary complexity.

I think anything's possible until it has been ruled out properly. You need to up your critical thinking game, brah.

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

 

[hobelim]

lol... it wasn't a year, it was 40 days,, Two of every animal was not necessarily about kangaroos and chickens etc. just like kosher law is not about food or animals.

Mountains in scripture represent big shots who loomed over the human landscape.

That would mean a flood of 6 or 7 feet would have covered even the highest mountain...

The splash of a meteor hitting the indian ocean would account for water rising into the sky, fountains of the deep opening up, coastal civilizations and every settlement near streams rivers or dry washes in the deserts would have been swept clean away, and there would have been enough water instantly vaporized into the atmosphere to encircle the globe and caused a worldwide deluge of torrential rain that would have lasted for weeks.

They didn't have to exaggerate much when using this near extinction event as a basis for teaching a moral children story. ....


Burckle Crater - Wikipedia


A large scale tsunami, moving outward from an epicenter in the vicinity of Burckle Crater would become focused as it passed into the Arabian Sea and would roll right up into the Persian Gulf. How far inland this tsunami would travel before exhausting itself would depend on the height of the wave and the topographical gradient over which it was moving. But consider this: from the northern coastline of the Persian Gulf at Kuwait, to a point in the Tigris-Euphrates lowland where the elevation rises to at least 500 feet above sea level is more than 500 miles inland. In other words, a 500 or 600 foot tsunami traveling up the Persian Gulf would have nothing to arrest its momentum as it traveled inland a distance of some 500 miles. The entire plain of the Tigris-Euphrates valley would be completely overwhelmed.

So you're saying that a tsunami from the Indian Ocean would have flooded the whole of the Middle East, including Turkey, for 40 days?

Thats not what I said, but whatever.....lol

Did you have this much trouble keeping up in grade school?

Buy yourself a map, then look at it. What you claim is dumb. As per usual.

What I said was just one of the many aftereffects of a large meteor landing in the middle of the ocean. The combined effect would have been mind boggling to people alive at the time. It would be mind boggling to us.

They would have never seen such superstorms mega tsunamis inland flooding or a torrential deluge of such intensity and duration or anything like it before or since.

Is it any wonder that they would have concluded that there was a being of unimaginable power up there who was pretty pissed off?

Wouldn't the survivors have concluded that they were favored in some way and needed to appease this invisible being lest they incur his wrath?

Why else would people from all around the world start building massive structures to honor the gods or sacrifice virgins, and making offerings of their finest goods at the same time if nothing more traumatic than seasonal flooding happened?

Why did they all start telling flood stories as a basis to teach their children to be better people than the ones who perished unless humans beings were almost wiped out completely?

Do you make this shit up as you go along?

Nope. I was there.

 

[ding]

If they were all created by the same process then they all have the same laws.

You don't know that, and no, nothing says that they couldn't have different laws and dimensions...

So you think there are different processes which create multiverses? Why would you think that? You are adding unnecessary complexity.

I think anything's possible until it has been ruled out properly. You need to up your critical thinking game, brah.

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

Taz isn't Elijah.

 

[hobelim]

You don't know that, and no, nothing says that they couldn't have different laws and dimensions...

So you think there are different processes which create multiverses? Why would you think that? You are adding unnecessary complexity.

I think anything's possible until it has been ruled out properly. You need to up your critical thinking game, brah.

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

Taz isn't Elijah.

Thats obvious.. Maybe he was Balaams ass in another life?

After all some things never change.

 

[ding]

So you think there are different processes which create multiverses? Why would you think that? You are adding unnecessary complexity.

I think anything's possible until it has been ruled out properly. You need to up your critical thinking game, brah.

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

Taz isn't Elijah.

Thats obvious.. Maybe he was Balaams ass in another life?

After all some things never change.

She only gets once chance like everyone else.

 

[hobelim]

I think anything's possible until it has been ruled out properly. You need to up your critical thinking game, brah.

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

Taz isn't Elijah.

Thats obvious.. Maybe he was Balaams ass in another life?

After all some things never change.

She only gets once chance like everyone else.

Thats not what Jesus said.

 

[ChesBayJJ]

So you're saying that a tsunami from the Indian Ocean would have flooded the whole of the Middle East, including Turkey, for 40 days?

Thats not what I said, but whatever.....lol

Did you have this much trouble keeping up in grade school?

Buy yourself a map, then look at it. What you claim is dumb. As per usual.

What I said was just one of the many aftereffects of a large meteor landing in the middle of the ocean. The combined effect would have been mind boggling to people alive at the time. It would be mind boggling to us.

They would have never seen such superstorms mega tsunamis inland flooding or a torrential deluge of such intensity and duration or anything like it before or since.

Is it any wonder that they would have concluded that there was a being of unimaginable power up there who was pretty pissed off?

Wouldn't the survivors have concluded that they were favored in some way and needed to appease this invisible being lest they incur his wrath?

Why else would people from all around the world start building massive structures to honor the gods or sacrifice virgins, and making offerings of their finest goods at the same time if nothing more traumatic than seasonal flooding happened?

Why did they all start telling flood stories as a basis to teach their children to be better people than the ones who perished unless humans beings were almost wiped out completely?

Do you make this shit up as you go along?

Nope. I was there.

You survived the tsunami? Good for you.

 

[westwall]

You don't know that, and no, nothing says that they couldn't have different laws and dimensions...

So you think there are different processes which create multiverses? Why would you think that? You are adding unnecessary complexity.

I think anything's possible until it has been ruled out properly. You need to up your critical thinking game, brah.

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

Taz isn't Elijah.

taz is living proof that the progressive militant atheists have no intellectual capacity to think about how man lived his life thousands of years ago. taz is a wonderful example of the CSI effect, they think that everything that happened in the past, happened instantly. There was no learning required, man was just born smart, and knew everything. In other words, like most progressives, he is an intellectual cripple.

 

[JoeB131]

Finding a rational explanation for the basis of a bible story does not render the teaching moot.

It explains everything.

Um, no, it doesn't. If it was some shit that was going to happen anyway, it needs no supernatural explanation.

You missed the whole point of what I'm asking. Not surprising.

No, what you were asking was stupid, as for a lot of reason, you couldn't repopulate an entire species from two specimens.

We could also go into why there wouldn't be enough prey animals to survive the predators, or how you couldn't fit 1,000,000 animal species into a boat only 500 foot long, or what the herbivores would eat once the flood waters receded leaving only salt-soaked barren soil.

 

[hobelim]

Finding a rational explanation for the basis of a bible story does not render the teaching moot.

It explains everything.

Um, no, it doesn't. If it was some shit that was going to happen anyway, it needs no supernatural explanation.

I did not give a supernatural explanation.

I gave a natural explanation for what they attributed to a supernatural cause.

 

[JoeB131]

I did not give a supernatural explanation.

I gave a natural explanation for what they attributed to a supernatural cause.

Which means the supernatural explanation is meaningless.

Bronze Age people attributed natural events to their sky pixie being angry with them and looked for someone to punish.

Modern people look for causes of problems and try to find real solutions.

 

[ding]

Consider it ruled out. While you are at it you can consider reincarnation ruled out too.

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

Taz isn't Elijah.

Thats obvious.. Maybe he was Balaams ass in another life?

After all some things never change.

She only gets once chance like everyone else.

Thats not what Jesus said.

You took what I wrote out of context. Don’t be like Taz.

 

[hobelim]

I did not give a supernatural explanation.

I gave a natural explanation for what they attributed to a supernatural cause.

Which means the supernatural explanation is meaningless.

Bronze Age people attributed natural events to their sky pixie being angry with them and looked for someone to punish.

Modern people look for causes of problems and try to find real solutions.

lol... Modern people aren't doing very well at finding real solutions, are they now?

Anyway, whose to say they weren't right?

Apparently, one similarity in most of the worldwide flood stories is that some people were warned in a dream.

That would suggest, not an invisible sky fairy, but advanced intelligences who might have nudged a rock in our direction because, as the story goes, people were fucked up beyond redemption.

Again, that is also not a supernatural explanation. Even we, as primitive as we are, have the technology to do such a thing.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus said that John the baptist was the expected reincarnation of Elijah.

Taz isn't Elijah.

Thats obvious.. Maybe he was Balaams ass in another life?

After all some things never change.

She only gets once chance like everyone else.

Thats not what Jesus said.

You took what I wrote out of context. Don’t be like Taz.

no I didn't. You said she only gets one chance like everyone else. I said thats not what Jesus said. How is that taking anything out of context?

Don't be like yourself and accuse me of doing something that I didn't do.

If all you had was one chance you would already be over and done a very long time ago.

 

[ding]

I did not give a supernatural explanation.

I gave a natural explanation for what they attributed to a supernatural cause.

Which means the supernatural explanation is meaningless.

Bronze Age people attributed natural events to their sky pixie being angry with them and looked for someone to punish.

Modern people look for causes of problems and try to find real solutions.

It means that it is an allegory for failed behaviors lead to failure.

 

[ding]

Taz isn't Elijah.

Thats obvious.. Maybe he was Balaams ass in another life?

After all some things never change.

She only gets once chance like everyone else.

Thats not what Jesus said.

You took what I wrote out of context. Don’t be like Taz.

no I didn't. You said she only gets one chance like everyone else. I said thats not what Jesus said. How is that taking anything out of context?

Don't be like yourself and accuse me of doing something that I didn't do.

If all you had was one chance you would already be over and done a very long time ago.

Jesus wasn’t speaking of being reincarnated.

 

[hobelim]

Thats obvious.. Maybe he was Balaams ass in another life?

After all some things never change.

She only gets once chance like everyone else.

Thats not what Jesus said.

You took what I wrote out of context. Don’t be like Taz.

no I didn't. You said she only gets one chance like everyone else. I said thats not what Jesus said. How is that taking anything out of context?

Don't be like yourself and accuse me of doing something that I didn't do.

If all you had was one chance you would already be over and done a very long time ago.

Jesus wasn’t speaking of being reincarnated.

What other rational explanation is there for Jesus saying that John the baptist was fulfillment of elijah's prophesied return? How is that not a belief in reincarnation?

How could Jesus say that he would come again if he was not speaking about being reincarnated?