If Harris somehow wins, will this mean the end of Primary voting for the Democratic Party?

[j-mac]

In 2016 they anointed Hillary because Bernie didn't have the donor power that the Establishment Hillary had. He was deemed "dangerous". Of course we all know the outcome and he is now largely irrelevant after he endorsed Hillary.

After her loss, the MSM and Democrat operatives kept repeating "we can't repeat this facade again, we need a competent candidate who is challenged in a Primary and wins in a democratic process. After all, we are the Democratic Party damn it!"

Now we observe history repeating itself as Harris is anointed. Not once, but twice if one is objective. First as V.P with 2% of the delegate vote in the 2020 Primary and now 0% votes in the 2024 Primary.

Clearly Dem voters are not happy. Some don't care about democracy they will obediently put on their pom poms and accept their Rulers decisions on their behalf, similar to what a pleb in China or N Korea does today. Others have become a little bit too uppity on youtube (one Asian guy in particular) and they have declared that they will punish the Dems for their tactics and name calling of Trump as Hitler etc and thus vote for Trump to spite the Dems.

Therefore, if Harris wins in 2024, will this affirm the Democrat Parties position that they know what is best for their subjects and going forward they will refer to their Chamber of donors, mainstream media, Party Seniors (Obama, Pelosi etc) and Super Delegates to produce the greatest politician possible.

Is this a fair assessment? If not, what leads you to believe that after the last two cycles of them anointed a leader that somehow they will change going forward?

Probably the end of elections

 

[berg80]

In 2016 they anointed Hillary because Bernie didn't have the donor power that the Establishment Hillary had.

In 2016 Repubs anointed His Orangeness because they were entertained by seeing him belittle his opponents with claims of having a bigger dick. This despite being a failure in his prior businesses, defrauding students at his school, being unfaithful to his wives, being the most unqualified national party candidate in US history, and having no domestic or foreign policy experience.

Since then they've learned he lies pathologically, fucked a porn star months after the birth of his child with his wife, illegally tried to extort the leader of a foreign country for campaign help, plotted to steal the 2020 election, is a convicted criminal, is financially liable for what is rape in states other than NY, stole money from a charity, is liable for tax fraud, stole classified documents, weaponized his DoJ, hired incompetent staff, had dozens of members of his admin reveal his reckless idiocy, fired 4 IG's who were investigating his admin, gave classified info to Russians, has no understanding of how tariffs work, has no understanding of how the global oil market works, has no understanding of the causes of inflation, attacked members of the judicial system because he was indicted 4 times by grand juries, is a boorish, foul mouthed clown, surrounds himself with criminals, displayed the incredibly bad judgement to use Rudy as his personal attorney, enjoys the company of despots, insults veterans, is supported by white nationalists, constantly flip flops on positions for political expediency, has promised to use the DoJ as a vehicle for revenge against perceived enemies, tried to corrupt the census, did not slow down illegal immigration as prez, fails to deliver on promises, uses PAC money to pay personal legal expenses, grotesquely abused the pardon power, had a revolving door of corrupt and incompetent cabinet members, gave security clearances to those who didn't deserve them, used unsecure phones, etc., etc., etc., and they still are blindly devoted to him as if he were a cult leader.

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans are delusional in claiming Primaries are the only means to nominate a candidate.

It is true when you have multiple candidates competing for a position

In most of the Primaries I have seen, the outcome is pretty much predetermined
Either uncontested or with an obvious winner

 

[OldFlame]

How so?

How is an uncontested nomination not Democratic?

Biden ran uncontested
So is Kamala

You seriously think that if Biden had decided not to run again before the primary process started, that there wouldn't have been a primary with more people jumping in to the process? They would have let Harris go through the entire primary voting process uncontested?

 

[JoeMoma]

I suspect that back in the 1800's when parties first formed that there were no primaries. The party leaders would meet and decide together who to put forward as their nominee......

 

[rightwinger]

You seriously think that if Biden had decided not to run again before the primary process started, that there wouldn't have been a primary with more people jumping in to the process? They would have let Harris go through the entire primary voting process uncontested?

Absolutely
But a sitting President is generally given the consideration to run unopposed for a second term

Democrats respected that and rallied behind the President

When it became obvious that Biden was not capable of a second term, it was too late to run open primaries

So, they rallied behind the obvious replacement

It worked

 

[Father O'Blivion]

In 2016 they anointed Hillary because Bernie didn't have the donor power that the Establishment Hillary had. He was deemed "dangerous". Of course we all know the outcome and he is now largely irrelevant after he endorsed Hillary.

After her loss, the MSM and Democrat operatives kept repeating "we can't repeat this facade again, we need a competent candidate who is challenged in a Primary and wins in a democratic process. After all, we are the Democratic Party damn it!"

Now we observe history repeating itself as Harris is anointed. Not once, but twice if one is objective. First as V.P with 2% of the delegate vote in the 2020 Primary and now 0% votes in the 2024 Primary.

Clearly Dem voters are not happy. Some don't care about democracy they will obediently put on their pom poms and accept their Rulers decisions on their behalf, similar to what a pleb in China or N Korea does today. Others have become a little bit too uppity on youtube (one Asian guy in particular) and they have declared that they will punish the Dems for their tactics and name calling of Trump as Hitler etc and thus vote for Trump to spite the Dems.

Therefore, if Harris wins in 2024, will this affirm the Democrat Parties position that they know what is best for their subjects and going forward they will refer to their Chamber of donors, mainstream media, Party Seniors (Obama, Pelosi etc) and Super Delegates to produce the greatest politician possible.

Is this a fair assessment? If not, what leads you to believe that after the last two cycles of them anointed a leader that somehow they will change going forward?

I thought Republicans wanted to go back to the good 'ol days before 1952.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

I fear only G-d.

The concern is for the West and in particular America. You would think by this point enough Americans would be able to see what is going on, 12M illegals, near record inflation and debt later.

Worry about Canada.

 

[hadit]

Democrats set the rules for Democratic Primaries
Republicans set the rules for Republican Primaries

Then democrats need to stop pretending they're for the little guy and that every vote has to count. Obviously, that's not true in their nominee selection process.

 

[hadit]

I thought Republicans wanted to go back to the good 'ol days before 1952.

You did? What gave you that idea?

 

[citygator]

Rule #13 on USMB: Every original post posed as a question is always answered with a "NO". It never fails.

 

[80zephyr]

Biden ran unopposed which already made the primaries moot.

Because the Dems didn't allow RFK to challenge him.

 

[Dragonlady]

In 2016 they anointed Hillary because Bernie didn't have the donor power that the Establishment Hillary had. He was deemed "dangerous". Of course we all know the outcome and he is now largely irrelevant after he endorsed Hillary.

After her loss, the MSM and Democrat operatives kept repeating "we can't repeat this facade again, we need a competent candidate who is challenged in a Primary and wins in a democratic process. After all, we are the Democratic Party damn it!"

Now we observe history repeating itself as Harris is anointed. Not once, but twice if one is objective. First as V.P with 2% of the delegate vote in the 2020 Primary and now 0% votes in the 2024 Primary.

Clearly Dem voters are not happy. Some don't care about democracy they will obediently put on their pom poms and accept their Rulers decisions on their behalf, similar to what a pleb in China or N Korea does today. Others have become a little bit too uppity on youtube (one Asian guy in particular) and they have declared that they will punish the Dems for their tactics and name calling of Trump as Hitler etc and thus vote for Trump to spite the Dems.

Therefore, if Harris wins in 2024, will this affirm the Democrat Parties position that they know what is best for their subjects and going forward they will refer to their Chamber of donors, mainstream media, Party Seniors (Obama, Pelosi etc) and Super Delegates to produce the greatest politician possible.

Is this a fair assessment? If not, what leads you to believe that after the last two cycles of them anointed a leader that somehow they will change going forward?

Your post is completely fact free.

Primaries are a fairly recent thing. The first primary was held in 1912. They are not mandated by the Constitution, and the voting results are NON BINDING. Parties are legally free to select their candidate in any way the party executive sees fit.

Republicans COULD have barred Trump from running on any number of grounds, but they didn't want to piss off his voters and assure Clinton the election. They also thought the Party leaders could control Trump once he was in office. Instead, he ran roughshod over everyone, and took over the Party, turning out all of the Party Leadership and gaining the backing of the white nationalists all over the nation.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton received 70% of the primary votes. It wasn't even close. Republicans lied that Bernie was "pushed out" for donors. But it worked. A lot of Bernie voters, voted for Trump because they didn't want the same old, same old.

Every vote for Joe Biden was a vote for Kamala Harris, because her name was also on the ballot, and at Joe's age, there is a much stronger possibility than usual that he won't finish the term. And as you have seen from the response to her candidacy, the American people are more than ready to embrace her as their candidate.

Stop believing the lies Republicans tell.

 

[hadit]

Republicans are delusional in claiming Primaries are the only means to nominate a candidate.

It is true when you have multiple candidates competing for a position

In most of the Primaries I have seen, the outcome is pretty much predetermined
Either uncontested or with an obvious winner

And the last time the democrats had multiple candidates competing openly, Kamala (what have I been doing for 4 years?) Harris splashed out spectacularly.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Worry about Canada.

I do, by worrying about America.

You point to me a Canadian who in their late 20s contacts the U.S military and asks about how to volunteer? I still have the email I think.

Some of us give a damn, we aren't politicians lackeys.

 

[CowboyTed]

Umm, they do it all the time. Remember churches and small businesses during covid? How about if you are a wedding cake baker?

Churches and all business was due to public safety... Which comes under 'General Welfare' clause or Common Sense...

 

[Father O'Blivion]

You did? What gave you that idea?

Their rhetoric.

 

[DGS49]

The Primaries SHOULD BE nothing but a series of "beauty contests," illustrating how the various candidates comport themselves when in campaigning mode. The Party "bosses," regardless of how they are chosen, should be the ones who choose the candidates, privately, during the convention.

This is the essence of representative government. The masses are presumed to be stupid, so they choose representatives whose job it is to be knowledgeable about the issues and the candidates, and to use THEIR judgment to make major decisions.

Many of the primaries and caucuses are compromised, with rules that give advantage for trivial activities and traits. Fuck 'em. Let the party leaders decide, and may they put their best person forward.

With this in mind, it is a wonder that the Democrats allowed departing President Biden trick them into nominating this terrible candidate. Even as a "MAGA Republican," I could name several more worthy Democrats to carry the flag.

But this is good for the Republicans. As in 2016, we have the worst possible Democrat to run against; all we have to do now is make sure they don't steal another election.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because the Dems didn't allow RFK to challenge him.

You mean the guy who says that worms ate his brain?????? His own family has said that he is mentally unfit to run for office.

Unlike the Republican Party, who is fielding a man who cannot pass a cognitive test, and is a convicted felon as their candidate, Democrats have standards. RFL proposed to the Harris Campaign that he would pull out of the race, and throw his support behind Harris in exchange for a cabinet position in her Administration. The Campaign did not return his calls.

RFK is now pulling out of the race and endorsing Trump. DJT has said that RFK would make a great Secretary of Health and Human Services. If a person's family says they family member is unfit for office, I believe them.

Trump's siblings, and other family members who has he has cheated and defrauded, have said Trump is mentally unwell, and completely unfit for office, and given that she is a mental health professional, she too should be taken seriously.

His sister had to resign as a federal judge because of her participation in the Family Real Estate Trust scam which disinherited her brother's children, and save the Trumps millions in probate fees and inheritance taxes on Fred's Estate. Someone who is prepared to lie to and cheat members of his own family, will think nothing of lying to and cheating the American public.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Churches and all business was due to public safety... Which comes under 'General Welfare' clause or Common Sense...

Common sense to prevent people from having a service outside in the fresh air with ample space in between? The spacing, by the way, proved to be B.S, of course not admitted to until everyone profited from the massive government borrowing.