If Hobby Lobby wins...

[RandallFlagg]

Taxes are much different, it is a way to run the government, last I look health care is a private industry regulated by the government. But the government is forcing us to buy from a private company and allows us no choice and we pay. I had a health care plan that worked for me, now I pay more for stuff I don't want or need. It is an assault on our freedoms.

For the first 50 years or so of our country - every able-bodied free white man was forced to purchase not just one product, but many.

And be made available to parade with such products, two to three times a years, or face fines or jail.

So Progressives want to go backwards? Huh?

What products were they forced to purchase? I'm forced to purchase a plan with stuff I will never use and other stuff I won't need.

These "liberal progressives" (otherwise known as limp-wristed cowards) told anyone who would listen that they would "close" Chic-fil-a and their bigoted customers.

Not only did they fail miserably, they made the chain stronger than it has ever been.

Again, for the 50th time...Hobby Lobby pays for 16 contraceptive devices for their employees. This is about 4 that owners of Hobby Lobby disagree (for religious reasons) and nothing else. This is NOT about contraception. This is about the pussy left trying to destroy religion in the United States and replace it with secular humanism.

We are facing a "legal tyranny" in the United States from cowards who use this crap as a means of imposing their bullshit on America.

Let's see these pussies take on Islam. They are TERRIFIED of being headless, so they keep their pussy mouths shut.

 

[Grandma]

if gay marriage becomes the law of the land via SCOTUS, then Reynolds will be overturned on appeal because there will be no legal argument that can be made against polygamy based on the gay marriage precedent of equal rights.

No it won't be overturned. Polygamy as defined in that case means one man with more than one wife. There's no mormon rule that allows one woman to have several husbands.

In other words it's equal rights as it discriminates against women.


(For the record, as long as women and the LGBTs are included I'm cool with polygamy. Lawyers would like it too, it would create thousands of jobs for attorneys writing prenups.)

 

[Grandma]

Viagra is a medication used in treatment of heart disease. Treating erectile dysfunction is a side effect. Insurance should pay when used to treat heart disease. Other than that buy your own.

Birth control pills are prescribed for dysmensia, ovarian cysts, endometriosis, and other conditions, not just birth control.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Then whats stopping them from requiring everyone to say the lords prayer before work? Or have a certain diet?

Could any other owner force his beliefs on his employees in other ways? Could the owner who doesnt believe in prescription meds opt out of it all together and argue for "natural healing" methods? Could a vegan make their stores meat free? Even their employees lunches?

Where does it stop? Or a better question, WHAT makes it stop?

ummm... it's called "find another job that better suits you..."

geez... the pathetic shit-for-brains libs in here make me wanna... ummm...

well... you in here who've got a lick of sense know what I'm talking about...

No, it's called find another business to operate that allows you to obey the law without violating any allegedly inviolable religious beliefs you might pretend to have, as is the Hobby Lobby case.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They won't win.

I think it's very probable that they will.

Obviously, the three female justices will vote against them, and Breyer.

Alito, Scalia, Uncle Tom and Roberts will vote for them.

And that leaves Kennedy. Mr. Swing vote.

The use of the phrase "Uncle Tom" reveals your "argument" as predicated on your boundless ignorance and silly, baseless preconceived notions.

The reason it is LIKELY that the SCOTUS will rule in FAVOR of Hobby Lobby is that the challenged ObumblerCare provision at issue DOES kind of step on a First Amendment right to have the gubmint compel anybody to pay for anything that violates a fundamental religious tenet.

This does not mean that the SCOTUS will strike down ObumblerCare in its entirety. Too bad.

Hobby Lobby pays taxes that fund the same healthcare coverage that they're objecting to providing their employees.

Do they have the right not to pay taxes?

 

[Politico]

Viagra is a medication used in treatment of heart disease. Treating erectile dysfunction is a side effect. Insurance should pay when used to treat heart disease. Other than that buy your own.

Birth control pills are prescribed for dysmensia, ovarian cysts, endometriosis, and other conditions, not just birth control.

Well that's not what they want them for so.........

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, you could let Hobby Lobby employees buy their insurance on the exchanges. Of course then, because of what I'm guessing the average employee there

earns, they would receive substantial subsidies from the government, aka your tax dollars, to buy that insurance, and, they'd be getting the contraceptive

coverage you people are freaking out over, paid by YOU instead of Hobby Lobby.

Sound better, Christians?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Isn't having sex for reasons other than reproduction a very normal, healthy human behaviour?

Why then is there any objection to medications used to better manage that behaviour?

Why isn't birth control simply viewed as any other preventative medicine?

 

[paperview]

Audio of the oral arguments have been released.


Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby Stores | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

 

[RKMBrown]

I think it's very probable that they will.

Obviously, the three female justices will vote against them, and Breyer.

Alito, Scalia, Uncle Tom and Roberts will vote for them.

And that leaves Kennedy. Mr. Swing vote.

The use of the phrase "Uncle Tom" reveals your "argument" as predicated on your boundless ignorance and silly, baseless preconceived notions.

The reason it is LIKELY that the SCOTUS will rule in FAVOR of Hobby Lobby is that the challenged ObumblerCare provision at issue DOES kind of step on a First Amendment right to have the gubmint compel anybody to pay for anything that violates a fundamental religious tenet.

This does not mean that the SCOTUS will strike down ObumblerCare in its entirety. Too bad.

Hobby Lobby pays taxes that fund the same healthcare coverage that they're objecting to providing their employees.

Do they have the right not to pay taxes?

Can't be. It's illegal for taxes to fund abortions.

 

[RKMBrown]

Isn't having sex for reasons other than reproduction a very normal, healthy human behaviour?

Why then is there any objection to medications used to better manage that behaviour?

Why isn't birth control simply viewed as any other preventative medicine?

Why isn't first degree murder viewed as preventative medicine?

 

[Redfish]

Isn't having sex for reasons other than reproduction a very normal, healthy human behaviour?

Why then is there any objection to medications used to better manage that behaviour?

Why isn't birth control simply viewed as any other preventative medicine?

Yes, sex is something that humans do for reproduction, recreation, and fun.

What you don't get is that HL is providing all forms of BC as part of their insurance package except for the 3 or 4 that cause abortions. They have no objection to preventing conception, only to killing the fetus once it is conceived.

 

[Redfish]

Well, you could let Hobby Lobby employees buy their insurance on the exchanges. Of course then, because of what I'm guessing the average employee there

earns, they would receive substantial subsidies from the government, aka your tax dollars, to buy that insurance, and, they'd be getting the contraceptive

coverage you people are freaking out over, paid by YOU instead of Hobby Lobby.

Sound better, Christians?

pull your pants up NY, your ignorance is showing. You don't even understand what this case is about, but you are pretty good at repeating the dem/lib lies and talking points.

 

[Meister]

Viagra is a medication used in treatment of heart disease. Treating erectile dysfunction is a side effect. Insurance should pay when used to treat heart disease. Other than that buy your own.

Birth control pills are prescribed for dysmensia, ovarian cysts, endometriosis, and other conditions, not just birth control.

I'm sure that one of those 16 that Hobby Lobby covers will help those with the afflictions that you mention, Gram.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, you could let Hobby Lobby employees buy their insurance on the exchanges. Of course then, because of what I'm guessing the average employee there

earns, they would receive substantial subsidies from the government, aka your tax dollars, to buy that insurance, and, they'd be getting the contraceptive

coverage you people are freaking out over, paid by YOU instead of Hobby Lobby.

Sound better, Christians?

pull your pants up NY, your ignorance is showing. You don't even understand what this case is about, but you are pretty good at repeating the dem/lib lies and talking points.

Do you deny that Hobby Lobby is already paying for the birth control coverage they object to,

via their taxes that go into the subsidies that apply to the insurance policies in the exchanges?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Isn't having sex for reasons other than reproduction a very normal, healthy human behaviour?

Why then is there any objection to medications used to better manage that behaviour?

Why isn't birth control simply viewed as any other preventative medicine?

Yes, sex is something that humans do for reproduction, recreation, and fun.

What you don't get is that HL is providing all forms of BC as part of their insurance package except for the 3 or 4 that cause abortions. They have no objection to preventing conception, only to killing the fetus once it is conceived.

It's what THEY call abortion.

You're not denying are you that there are in fact religions that object to preventative contraception, are you?

Their objections would gain the force of law behind them presumably,

if Hobby Lobby wins.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The use of the phrase "Uncle Tom" reveals your "argument" as predicated on your boundless ignorance and silly, baseless preconceived notions.

The reason it is LIKELY that the SCOTUS will rule in FAVOR of Hobby Lobby is that the challenged ObumblerCare provision at issue DOES kind of step on a First Amendment right to have the gubmint compel anybody to pay for anything that violates a fundamental religious tenet.

This does not mean that the SCOTUS will strike down ObumblerCare in its entirety. Too bad.

Hobby Lobby pays taxes that fund the same healthcare coverage that they're objecting to providing their employees.

Do they have the right not to pay taxes?

Can't be. It's illegal for taxes to fund abortions.

True. Are you claiming that exchange sold insurance does not carry the same sorts of birth control coverage that are in the insurance that Hobby Lobby is required to provide?

 

[RKMBrown]

Well, you could let Hobby Lobby employees buy their insurance on the exchanges. Of course then, because of what I'm guessing the average employee there

earns, they would receive substantial subsidies from the government, aka your tax dollars, to buy that insurance, and, they'd be getting the contraceptive

coverage you people are freaking out over, paid by YOU instead of Hobby Lobby.

Sound better, Christians?

pull your pants up NY, your ignorance is showing. You don't even understand what this case is about, but you are pretty good at repeating the dem/lib lies and talking points.

Do you deny that Hobby Lobby is already paying for the birth control coverage they object to,

via their taxes that go into the subsidies that apply to the insurance policies in the exchanges?

Can't happen. Obama promised no tax payer dollars would go to pay for abortions as a part of Obama Care. They can't do that because it's against the law.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Then whats stopping them from requiring everyone to say the lords prayer before work? Or have a certain diet?

Could any other owner force his beliefs on his employees in other ways? Could the owner who doesnt believe in prescription meds opt out of it all together and argue for "natural healing" methods? Could a vegan make their stores meat free? Even their employees lunches?

Where does it stop? Or a better question, WHAT makes it stop?

Maybe they will. Unlikely though.
I worked at a small company. Once a month, we had a staff meeting in a restaurant. Breakfast was on them. Before began the meeting, the owner would lead us in Christian prayer.
No one made a stink about it. I'm not a religious person. I don't go to church. I am a staunch supporter in freedom OF religion.
As to your Hobby Lobby theory, it's unlikely any such employment requirement could be legally implemented.
Nor would it be likely to become company policy.
To answer your last question. You DON'T make it stop....That's why they call it freedom OF religion.

 

[mamooth]

Damn, you are an ignorant fuckwad, aren't you?

QM, what's wrong with you? As time has passed, you've been becoming a bigger and bigger asshole towards everyone. You weren't always like this. Is everything okay?