If Negros Had Been Left To Their Own Devices...

[IM2]

You have been mis educated.

What evidence do you have for that?
I've already posted some detailed DNA studies which would cast doubt on Egyptians ever being real Black Negroids.

"A study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes."

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect size sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

What's primitive is the old dead long lost lie of white supremacy. You keep trying to argue about how it exists.That makes you primitive.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

What evidence do you have for that?
I've already posted some detailed DNA studies which would cast doubt on Egyptians ever being real Black Negroids.

"A study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes."

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect size sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

What's primitive is the old dead long lost lie of white supremacy. You keep trying to argue about how it exists.That makes you primitive.

I don't even like most "Whites"
Western Europeans are a bunch of desperate anti-Racists, with a horrible history, the Southern Europeans are aggressive, touchy, unfriendly, and thuggish.
Russians seem to have a lot of insane Communists.

 

[IM2]

"A study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes."

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect size sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

What's primitive is the old dead long lost lie of white supremacy. You keep trying to argue about how it exists.That makes you primitive.

I don't even like most "Whites"
Western Europeans are a bunch of desperate anti-Racists, with a horrible history, the Southern Europeans are touchy, unfriendly, and thuggish.
Russians seem to have a lot of insane Communists.

You are white.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect size sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

What's primitive is the old dead long lost lie of white supremacy. You keep trying to argue about how it exists.That makes you primitive.

I don't even like most "Whites"
Western Europeans are a bunch of desperate anti-Racists, with a horrible history, the Southern Europeans are touchy, unfriendly, and thuggish.
Russians seem to have a lot of insane Communists.

You are white.

I like Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, and Slovaks the most.

Visegrad 4.

 

[Asclepias]

You have been mis educated.

What evidence do you have for that?
I've already posted some detailed DNA studies which would cast doubt on Egyptians ever being real Black Negroids.

"A study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes."

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect sized sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

Thats correct. We are just determining one individual. Now you messed up though because I also found this one is regarding TUT and his relatives.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent
in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which
these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliinary geographical analysis for these
individuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE."

 

[Asclepias]

Its possible he has a significant dose of African blood. All ME people do since the indigenous people from that area were Black. Anwar Sadat (former Egyptian President) had a lot of African DNA

So does this sadistic Egyptian cannibal.

Omaima Nelson | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Yep. She looks like she is chalk full of African DNA.

Sure, Egyptians are mixed, but today, and in Ancient Egyptians the main DNA type in Egypt has been Mediterranean, which in it's self falls between Europeans, and Africans.

Of course they're mixed today. Are you saying Mediterraneans are Black? If they were Mediterranean why did they paint so many scenes of them being Black? Why are so many statues Black?

Why in the hell would they depict themselves as Black if they were not Black?

Mediterraean, a brown, or tan people with a big nose. who represent a sub-race of Caucasoiid that centers in the Near-East, and expands into Northern Africa, Southern Europe, and parts of South Asia.

Nope. These people are mixed with Black or lighter skinned Black people. You never answered my question. Cat got your tongue? Why would they make themselves Black if they werent?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

What evidence do you have for that?
I've already posted some detailed DNA studies which would cast doubt on Egyptians ever being real Black Negroids.

"A study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes."

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect sized sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

Thats correct. We are just determining one individual. Now you messed up though because I also found this one is regarding TUT and his relatives.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent
in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which
these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliinary geographical analysis for these
individuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE."

Still not as big as the other study you dismissed as being too small.

 

[Asclepias]

"A study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes."

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect sized sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

Thats correct. We are just determining one individual. Now you messed up though because I also found this one is regarding TUT and his relatives.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent
in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which
these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliinary geographical analysis for these
individuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE."

Still not as big as the other study you dismissed as being too small.

They were studying only known individuals and never claimed the entire population was the same. They didnt have to have a sample size. The study you submitted trumpeted that the ancient egyptians were from the Levant (even though they backtracked and admitted that wasnt a fact). Since they did that we know your study is not credible. Its more of a marketing tool so whites can say they werent Black. So that leaves us with this question. Do you seriously believe the royal family was Black and everyone else wasnt?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

That's just a haplogroup study, not the more accurate autosomal DNA.

If we go by Haplogroups alone, then Hitler would find his DNA as most common in North, and East Africans.
Care to field that one?

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect sized sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

Thats correct. We are just determining one individual. Now you messed up though because I also found this one is regarding TUT and his relatives.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent
in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which
these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliinary geographical analysis for these
individuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE."

Still not as big as the other study you dismissed as being too small.

They were studying only known individuals and never claimed the entire population was the same. They didnt have to have a sample size. The study you submitted trumpeted that the ancient egyptians were from the Levant (even though they backtracked and admitted that wasnt a fact). Since they did that we know your study is not credible. Its more of a marketing tool so whites can say they werent Black. So that leaves us with this question. Do you seriously believe the royal family was Black and everyone else wasnt?

The Egyptians were clearly mixed.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Wasn't Tut R1b haplogroup like Western Europeans?

 

[Asclepias]

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Hahaha, you can have that ugly thing.

 

[Asclepias]

Hahaha, you can have that ugly thing.

I already have that beautiful thing. Just showing the parallels still in evidence today between Black Africans and the Black Egyptians. I know it sucks for your inferiority complex but if you want to play the denial game I can post images all day long.

 

[Asclepias]

Wasn't Tut R1b haplogroup like Western Europeans?

Nope. Make my day. Please post it. Please...

 

[bgrouse]

Show me some Haya people relics from Tanzania from even 1000 years ago. . I can't find them. The original link that Asclepias posted had one book from the 1980s as a source.

You can find pictures of almost every relic on the web. Knock yourself out. "Apparently there are artifacts" just tweaks a half dozen questions from people who CARE to know about this. Do you CARE? Or are U just indiscriminately consuming internet stuff without curiousity?

I just looked and saw a picture of the furnace on the internet. No one has to prove anything to you. You arent Black. If you really want to seem them use google and click on the images.

I've seen HAND DRAWINGS of "the furnace".. You would think that if it was extensively researched there would be excavations and artifacts and maybe even PIECES of the furnace. But, according to sources,, there is just a big old tree there now.. No archaeology.. All based on ethno-verbal evidence.

Why would white people extensively research something on purpose that pretty much proves Blacks did things before europeans? Its not in their best interest which is why I dont give much credibility to white researchers and historians unless they tell the entire truth.

Aw STFU -- my bet is ALL of the research seems to be done at Brown University by 2 guys. And my bet is -- they're probably white. Could be wrong. Now you just sound bitter and angry. Which might be your normal state. ALL of the Tanzanian history record is just RACIST.. And there's NO evidence because it was never valuable to "white people".. Listen to yourself.. Go dig under that tree where the "wise men" said the kiln was. Don't blame Whitey or the internet for lack of a single PHYSICAL piece of evidence.

What the hell is wrong with the Haya people. Ain't they got shovels and little wisk brooms?

You STFU. I didnt ask for your conjecture. I just told you what I thought. You see we Africans dont need to prove anything to you whites. You need to prove to us you can survive without us.

And if anyone needs a sample of what Asclepias thinks to determine the face value of what he says, just look in my signature.

 

[Asclepias]

Well the haplogroup study and the autosomal testing both say the same thing. Gotcha!

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

"Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in
the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 times as frequent as in the world as a
whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the
Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see
Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes
populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa."

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect sized sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

Thats correct. We are just determining one individual. Now you messed up though because I also found this one is regarding TUT and his relatives.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent
in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which
these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliinary geographical analysis for these
individuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE."

Still not as big as the other study you dismissed as being too small.

They were studying only known individuals and never claimed the entire population was the same. They didnt have to have a sample size. The study you submitted trumpeted that the ancient egyptians were from the Levant (even though they backtracked and admitted that wasnt a fact). Since they did that we know your study is not credible. Its more of a marketing tool so whites can say they werent Black. So that leaves us with this question. Do you seriously believe the royal family was Black and everyone else wasnt?

The Egyptians were clearly mixed.

Some of them were clearly mixed. Hell I'm mixed but I am still Black though. Now again I ask why are they predominantly portrayed as Black? Are you going to avoid my question forever?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Oh okay, the other study using 100's of samples used too few in it's sample size, so this one that just uses Ramses is the perfect sized sample size.

You don't even care about reality, you just care about getting yours at all cost.'

Very primitive, indeed.

Thats correct. We are just determining one individual. Now you messed up though because I also found this one is regarding TUT and his relatives.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent
in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which
these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliinary geographical analysis for these
individuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE."

Still not as big as the other study you dismissed as being too small.

They were studying only known individuals and never claimed the entire population was the same. They didnt have to have a sample size. The study you submitted trumpeted that the ancient egyptians were from the Levant (even though they backtracked and admitted that wasnt a fact). Since they did that we know your study is not credible. Its more of a marketing tool so whites can say they werent Black. So that leaves us with this question. Do you seriously believe the royal family was Black and everyone else wasnt?

The Egyptians were clearly mixed.

Some of them were clearly mixed. Hell I'm mixed but I am still Black though. Now again I ask why are they predominantly portrayed as Black? Are you going to avoid my question forever?

You must need glasses if you think Egyptians predominantly portrayed themselves as Black.

Majority of these look brown, much like modern Egyptians.

Egyptian Art - Google Search

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Ancient Egyptian on the right looks White.

 

[flacaltenn]

Show me some Haya people relics from Tanzania from even 1000 years ago. . I can't find them. The original link that Asclepias posted had one book from the 1980s as a source.

You can find pictures of almost every relic on the web. Knock yourself out. "Apparently there are artifacts" just tweaks a half dozen questions from people who CARE to know about this. Do you CARE? Or are U just indiscriminately consuming internet stuff without curiousity?

I just looked and saw a picture of the furnace on the internet. No one has to prove anything to you. You arent Black. If you really want to seem them use google and click on the images.

I've seen HAND DRAWINGS of "the furnace".. You would think that if it was extensively researched there would be excavations and artifacts and maybe even PIECES of the furnace. But, according to sources,, there is just a big old tree there now.. No archaeology.. All based on ethno-verbal evidence.

Why would white people extensively research something on purpose that pretty much proves Blacks did things before europeans? Its not in their best interest which is why I dont give much credibility to white researchers and historians unless they tell the entire truth.

Aw STFU -- my bet is ALL of the research seems to be done at Brown University by 2 guys. And my bet is -- they're probably white. Could be wrong. Now you just sound bitter and angry. Which might be your normal state. ALL of the Tanzanian history record is just RACIST.. And there's NO evidence because it was never valuable to "white people".. Listen to yourself.. Go dig under that tree where the "wise men" said the kiln was. Don't blame Whitey or the internet for lack of a single PHYSICAL piece of evidence.

What the hell is wrong with the Haya people. Ain't they got shovels and little wisk brooms?

I'm afraid it's the truth flacaltenn. You might not want to bet. Plenty of evidence exists supporting hat you have been shown. But if we shown you it's from African scholars you want to discount it like whites are the only ones who define what facts are. They aren't. Learn that. As quickly as possible.

I've done more "learning:" on this than you probably have. Traced the story to it's roots. Cannot find a single shred of HARD PHYSICAL archaeological evidence on the existence of that metal work.. Now would be time to educate. If you got it -- show it. Otherwise, keep your racism and ad homs to yourself..