If Republicans Cared About Families, They’d Stop Blocking Paid Leave

[Avatar4321]

Good point

And if a family relies on two salaries to support themselves, losing the womans income or possibly her job due to pregnancy is a reason they may consider abortion

Now consider the options of a single mother

It's not society's responsibility to "consider the options of a single mother" or the pregnant but rather hers and her sperm donor.

Neither is it society's responsibility to pay for the actions, choices or mistakes of other adults.

Americans disagree.

Your wrong.
Poll says 66% say government is to big.
66% Believe U.S. Has Too Much Government Power, Too Little Freedom
66% Believe U.S. Has Too Much Government Power, Too Little Freedom - Rasmussen Reports™

We aren't even talking about Americans view on the size of government, we're talking about Americans supporting virtually every "welfare" program in majorities.

Question: Do you support free shit for everyone?
WHo's gonna answer No to that?

How about:
Do you support intrusive government policies that will result in your getting laid off or having lower wages so your no-good neighbor can sit at home and smoke pot all day?
Let's see the polling results on that question.

What free stuff is there? Someone pays for everything in terms of time, labor, and money

 

[The Rabbi]

Where was OSHA when I cut my finger making dinner the other night lol

I better be careful or next they'll be in my home making me wear a helmet and knife proof gloves.

Leave it to republican morons to downplay the importance of OSHA.

Yeah in 1968 things were terrible with industrial accidents all over.
Oh wait there werent.
Asshole.

Compared to today...1968 was horrible

It worked for me. I was happier then than I am today. Richer too.

 

[The Rabbi]

It's not society's responsibility to "consider the options of a single mother" or the pregnant but rather hers and her sperm donor.

Neither is it society's responsibility to pay for the actions, choices or mistakes of other adults.

Americans disagree.

Your wrong.
Poll says 66% say government is to big.
66% Believe U.S. Has Too Much Government Power, Too Little Freedom
66% Believe U.S. Has Too Much Government Power, Too Little Freedom - Rasmussen Reports™

We aren't even talking about Americans view on the size of government, we're talking about Americans supporting virtually every "welfare" program in majorities.

Question: Do you support free shit for everyone?
WHo's gonna answer No to that?

How about:
Do you support intrusive government policies that will result in your getting laid off or having lower wages so your no-good neighbor can sit at home and smoke pot all day?
Let's see the polling results on that question.

What free stuff is there? Someone pays for everything in terms of time, labor, and money

It's free because Obama is gonna pay for all of it out of his stash.

 

[David_42]

Not a dodge, just a fact.

Its a fact that you offered a moral position.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

It's not a moral position...

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone. That's all I have to say, the studies show it has no negative effects either.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Its a fact that you offered a moral position.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

It's not a moral position...

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone.

And I ask yet again:
Who are you to force your morality on others?

 

[The Rabbi]

Its a fact that you offered a moral position.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

It's not a moral position...

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone. That's all I have to say, the studies show it has no negative effects either.

Nothing comon sense about it.
Yes increase costs and nothing happens. Amazing!

 

[David_42]

It's not a moral position...

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone.

And I ask yet again:
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I am nobody, I am a voting citizen who knows countless mothers lack paid leave to spend time with babies.

 

[David_42]

It's not a moral position...

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone. That's all I have to say, the studies show it has no negative effects either.

Nothing comon sense about it.
Yes increase costs and nothing happens. Amazing!

Funny thing rabbi, paid leave for mothers can't be connected to anything negative.

 

[2aguy]

Okay first off many companies already offer parental leave to both parents, mine does. We didn't need the dumb ass government to force us to offer it. Second, what makes you think other companies that are not as well off financially can just shit money out their ass to pay for this benefit? Libs seem to assume companies are greedily hoarding a huge supply of money when in fact many companies struggle and historically thousands of companies big and small have gone bust.

If the libs want to ensure that the only companies that survive their socialist agenda are the big corporations, well just keep passing more and more regulations. Hey I told you before the left is retarded.

Many marginal companies do go bust
Not a reason to sacrifice worker protections. Should we waive the 40 hour week and overtime for companies that are struggling?

That is some liberal idiocy right there ^^^

It is the way the civilized world works. Unchecked capitalism is not in the best interests of the public

Unchecked capitalism was the reason government grew in the first place, in Europe, in Latin America, in Canada.. These "free market" worshippers who claim the market will fix itself are stupid.

No….unchecked government growth is why government grew. You keep giving politicians more money and power, and they keep increasing the size of government. Capitalism has nothing to do with that. And yes, the market, left alone by politicians will fix itself. It always has. When the politicians try to "fix" things, that is when we get the great depression that we can't get out of.

 

[Avatar4321]

somehow us actually taking care of our families is evidence of us not caring because we don't think people should be forced to pay you for not working. This is considered logic to some.

Ill make a deal with you. Ill take care of my family with my hard work, you take of your family without work and we will see which one of us does a better job and shows that we care more.

No one is claiming that, people are working 50 hour weeks without any paid leave, millions of workers are lacking any paid leave at all, they deserve a break. They need a break.

No they aren't. Obama care is making it so people can only get part time jobs.

Regardless it's not your bosses responsibility to manage your time and resources. As long as you expect someone else to do it for you, you will always have problems.

The part time jobs problem has been around before obamacare. No one is telling the boss to manage your time, it's about mothers being able to spend time with their babies worry free.

Then be a man, step up and support your family so your wife can take care of your child.

Expecting others to pay for it, or forcing her to work in and out of the home instead of stepping up to your responsibilities is what is making them suffer. The rest of society is not responsible for you dropping the ball.

 

[The Rabbi]

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone. That's all I have to say, the studies show it has no negative effects either.

Nothing comon sense about it.
Yes increase costs and nothing happens. Amazing!

Funny thing rabbi, paid leave for mothers can't be connected to anything negative.

Increwase costs and nothing happens! It's FREE MONEY!

 

[M14 Shooter]

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone.

And I ask yet again:
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I am nobody, I am a voting citizen who knows countless mothers lack paid leave to spend time with babies.

And yet you want to force your version of morality on others.
What gives you the right to impose your morality on others?

 

[2aguy]

You used the term "should", which boils down to a moral position - you believe it is the right thing to do.
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone.

And I ask yet again:
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I am nobody, I am a voting citizen who knows countless mothers lack paid leave to spend time with babies.

No….what they lack is making the choices necessary to stay home with their babies…like marrying the father of their children, getting a high school diploma, marrying a man with a good paying job before they have those children. Voting for republicans and against democrats so her taxes don't increase to the point that both parents have to work just to get by.

 

[David_42]

I suppose everything is a moral decision. Fine, lets accept that

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone.

And I ask yet again:
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I am nobody, I am a voting citizen who knows countless mothers lack paid leave to spend time with babies.

And yet you want to force your version of morality on others.
What gives you the right to impose your morality on others?

I won't be the one enforcing it, the government will. Sucks to be you.

 

[2aguy]

Most times birth control is effective

That is why we should make it readily available and cheap/free

SEE, THIS is the B$ I have a problem with....just like with the headlines today about how OBAMA is going to pay for a new program to give free housing, food, education, and legal services to illegals, NOTHING is 'free', and OBAMA ain't paying for 'Shi'ite! NOTHING! It's all MY money and YOUR money, right out of OUR pockets.

- If ya want to have sex, get a job and PAY for a pack of condoms!

- If ya choose to have sex and get pregnant, YOU pay for the abortion if you choose to have one.

- Single mothers, the govt should step in and help pay for your 1st illegitimate child...and give you an education on how not to have another and a warning NOT to have another because tax payers aren't going to be paying for any more of your kids....

- If you have any more you can't afford the govt should step in and take the kids for their own sake

- If you have any more out of wedlock that you can't afford the govt should take them too and then sterilize you.

The govt should stop teaching 4th graders how to perform oral sex, how to masturbate, and how having 2 daddies is ok, especially since our education system blows...Johnny can't READ when he gets out of school, but he knows how to masturbate, how to orally please someone, and has a pocket full of 'free' condoms'! Good grief!

STOP teaching sex in schools - they've got that down pat now. How about teaching them some restraint and personal accountability?!

Its OUR money and We the People, as a society, pay the price for a lack of birth control

More unwanted children, more abortions, more burdens on families, more burden on the school system, more welfare

Open access to low cost birth control benefits society....pay me now or pay me more later

Yes…you are right…..we should adopt China's one child policy…….good for you…let your inner fascist out….

 

[Londoner]

The Republican Movement doesn't actually care about families or religion or patriotism or borders/language/culture or terrorists or the gay agenda. These are just populist instruments used to prod low-information voters.

Behind the culture war facade, behind the Islamo-fascist fear mongering, behind the concern for the nuclear family is a political movement that serves concentrated wealth.

Concentrated wealth - when it takes a corporate form - wants the cheapest possible labor costs. It doesn't want to pay the higher costs associated with supporting hard working families. Take a look at Walmart. Many of their workers struggle to pay for rent and food. They can't take care of their children. You can tell them to get another job, but this is our largest retail employer. Walmart defines the new paradigm. It's called "fuck the family", but sell them American Flags made in China; and put out a press release about your patriotism. This is the essence of the Republican Party. They are full of shit.

The Family Leave Act is a non-market value that puts the needs of individual families above the market's desire for maximum profit. The Republicans never side with actual poor hard working families at the level of policy. They only protect families at the level of marketing - talk radio, Fox, campaign speeches. They have think tanks who devise strategies and talking points to convince low-information voters that they care about The Family.

In reality, you have to go back to the liberal postwar years to find a policy environment that protects the American Family. In the 50s & 60s we had the highest wages/benefits in the world. Because we protected unions (which ensured higher wages/benefits) and because we had trade policies that made it harder for our capitalists to ship jobs to communist China, the father could support the family on just his wages/benefits. This allowed the mother to stay home and raise the kids.

But there was a problem. Corporations wanted even more profits. They wanted subsidies and patent protection from the government, but they didn't want any corresponding obligation to families. They didn't want to be obligated to protect rivers (drinking water) from pollution. They only wanted profit for the few (and bailouts when they fucked up).

So they found a charismatic actor in 1980 who would profess a concern for families when the camera was on, but who would ultimately help corporations fuck hard working families when the camera was off.

Republicans have always claimed to care about Families and Nation, but this has always been a marketing gimmick. They exist only to help the rich get richer at our expense. They have contempt for families.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

if liberals cared about families they would start supporting their own and help rid the country of welfare.

 

[OKTexas]

Why do you think both parties want illegals?

Because this country has become so spoiled and entitled they won't even work anymore.

That's why companies are leaving America.

Rosa parks on a bill for sitting on a bus is lame. It's akin to giving Obama the peace prize.

What Rosa Parks has to do with anything previously said here is a mystery.

if you have problems with big business wanting immigrants, why do I care? You're the one screaming to let the markets decide, but you appear to not like the outcome.

I believe rosa parks is mentioned by the op.

I don't want the market to decide I want the business owner to decide. That's the point of owning a business.

So if the business says...We don't serve negroes here...you are OK with it

Yep, I don't believe the government should force associations on anyone. The market will decide if they remain in business.

Jim Crow chimes in

No that's a dem thing. I didn't say I would support that business with my money. Of course I don't support leftist companies with my money either.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Now that you understand you are arguing a moral position....
Who are you to force your morality on others?
Well?
Still waiting

Paid leave should be common sense and moral for anyone.

And I ask yet again:
Who are you to force your morality on others?

I am nobody, I am a voting citizen who knows countless mothers lack paid leave to spend time with babies.

And yet you want to force your version of morality on others.
What gives you the right to impose your morality on others?

I won't be the one enforcing it, the government will. Sucks to be you.

Oh, I see. YOU aren't forcing your morality on others, you want the government to
And what will your argument be when the government forces someone else's morality on you?
Or will it just suck to be you?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Republican Movement doesn't actually care about families or religion or patriotism or borders/language/culture or terrorists or the gay agenda. These are just populist instruments used to prod low-information voters.

Mindless bigoted nonsense, oozing with irony.