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because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
That's my point. They are a government agency doing what typical government agencies do running a huge deficit that gets covered by tax dollars. For all intent's and purposes it is another government agency.because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
That is NOT how it works. The debt already exists. What causes more debt is an increase in spending which precipitates more borrowing.You realize of course that every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar we are in debt right?
The spending is not necessary.
"Hope and Change" is in it's 6th year and the radical left calls for Obama to state specific examples of how his party is supporting the middle class and the poor......Just kidding. You gotta laugh that the low information left wing jerks are doing what they always do ....acting like losers.
As I said Obama is responsible for the biggest tax cut for the middle class since Reagan. He also pushed to raise the minimum wage.
I personally haven't seen it. Perhaps Billy here can list these tax cuts we "supposedly" received (not taking into account those high gas prices at the pump of course)
you would have to prove they are covered by tax dollars....That's my point. They are a government agency doing what typical government agencies do running a huge deficit that gets covered by tax dollars. For all intent's and purposes it is another government agency.because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
are they owned by the US Govt like the PO is?...because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
The Federal Reserve funds themselves.
are they owned by the US Govt like the PO is?...because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
The Federal Reserve funds themselves.
@FaunNo, and I wasn't calling you an idiot either, though I admit I thought you were the one to say that.How do you figure that (the highlighted part) ... ?...middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? I just don't understand it. Why do republicans continue to be elected?
Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.
CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk
Obama’s Numbers, October Update
Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.
Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly
Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:
Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy
I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?
It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.
Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut.
Are you saying Americans got to keep millions more of their own earnings AND jobs were created?
That's awesome!!! Let's do that some more!!!
It was Billy's claim. Are you saying he's an idiot?
What I asked, and hopefully Billy can answer since he is the one who posted that ... is how is that figure derived?
this says no one owns it.....are they owned by the US Govt like the PO is?...because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
The Federal Reserve funds themselves.
Yes.
Anything outside the Constitution is overspending. So, we're looking at nearly 50% of government spending is overspending.That is NOT how it works. The debt already exists. What causes more debt is an increase in spending which precipitates more borrowing.You realize of course that every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar we are in debt right?
The spending is not necessary.
Um no spending is necessary. Over spending is what is not necessary. Revenue pays for our gov's expenses. Less revenue means more borrowing. Look it up. The tax cuts under Bush and Obama have greatly contributed to our debt.
How many times must I explain this?
...middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? Why do republicans continue to be elected?
Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.
CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk
Obama’s Numbers, October Update
Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.
Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly
Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:
Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy
I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?
It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.
The economy lost 8 million jobs from a free fall that began months before Obama was sworn in. We have since regained all of them no thanks to republicans. Over 2 million came directly from Obama's stimulus....middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? Why do republicans continue to be elected?
Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.
CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk
Obama’s Numbers, October Update
Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.
Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly
Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:
Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy
I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?
It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.
Just looking around should show you that the stimulus didn't really work.
How about Reagan and the earned income tax credit. Like it or not it was directly pointed at the working man. On the other hand I can't think of one thing the democrats have done to help the working man.
Anything outside the Constitution is overspending. So, we're looking at nearly 50% of government spending is overspending.That is NOT how it works. The debt already exists. What causes more debt is an increase in spending which precipitates more borrowing.You realize of course that every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar we are in debt right?
The spending is not necessary.
Um no spending is necessary. Over spending is what is not necessary. Revenue pays for our gov's expenses. Less revenue means more borrowing. Look it up. The tax cuts under Bush and Obama have greatly contributed to our debt.
How many times must I explain this?
So, tell Me again how its tax cuts and not spending that causes debt?
this says no one owns it.....are they owned by the US Govt like the PO is?...because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
The Federal Reserve funds themselves.
Yes.
FRB Who owns the Federal Reserve
but the 3 things i read all said the same.....no one seems owns it....the PO is owned by the federal govt....this says no one owns it.....are they owned by the US Govt like the PO is?...because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
The Federal Reserve funds themselves.
Yes.
FRB Who owns the Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government.
but the 3 things i read all said the same.....no one seems owns it....the PO is owned by the federal govt....this says no one owns it.....are they owned by the US Govt like the PO is?...because they are considered an independent agency of the federal govt.....and are not paid by the federal govt the way everyone else is,they are paid by the PO.........and they dont operate solely with fed funding...they fund themselves and are the only agency to do so....Why are the half a million postal workers never in the government employee numbers? They operate solely with fed funding but are never included in the numbers of federal employee's. I've always wondered why.Where do you come up with this nonsense ... ?The only jobs Obama created were government jobs paid for by confiscated taxpayer funds. Now we have double the useless government drones than we had during the Bush administration. The median income for a typical middle class family dropped 7% since Obama took office.
Federal government jobs:
Jan/2001: 2,753,000
Jan/2009: 2,786,000
Aug/2014: 2,714,000
increased by 33,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 72,000 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment
_____________________________________
Federal government jobs (excluding Post Office employees):
Jan/2001: 1,873,600
Jan/2009: 2,059,500
Aug/2014: 2,124,400
increased by 185,900 jobs under Bush
increased by 64,900 jobs under Obama
Federal Government Employment (excluding Postal workers)
_____________________________________
Total government jobs:
Jan/2001: 20,835,000
Jan/2009: 22,579,000
Aug/2014: 21,922,000
increased by 1,744,000 jobs under Bush
decreased by 657,000 jobs under Obama
Total Government Employment
_____________________________________
Not only do we not have "double" the number of government employees, as you bizarrely claimed ... Obama has either decreased, or increased them less than Bush, depending on which metric you use.
The Federal Reserve funds themselves.
Yes.
FRB Who owns the Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government.
That is NOT how it works. The debt already exists. What causes more debt is an increase in spending which precipitates more borrowing.You realize of course that every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar we are in debt right?
The spending is not necessary.
Um no spending is necessary. Over spending is what is not necessary. Revenue pays for our gov's expenses. Less revenue means more borrowing. Look it up. The tax cuts under Bush and Obama have greatly contributed to our debt.
How many times must I explain this?
Anything outside the Constitution is overspending. So, we're looking at nearly 50% of government spending is overspending.That is NOT how it works. The debt already exists. What causes more debt is an increase in spending which precipitates more borrowing.You realize of course that every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar we are in debt right?
The spending is not necessary.
Um no spending is necessary. Over spending is what is not necessary. Revenue pays for our gov's expenses. Less revenue means more borrowing. Look it up. The tax cuts under Bush and Obama have greatly contributed to our debt.
How many times must I explain this?
So, tell Me again how its tax cuts and not spending that causes debt?
Good god dude. I never said spending didn't add to the debt. Why would I say something so blatantly false? I am saying tax cuts also lead to more debt because that means more borrowing as the gov spends.
