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John is just establishing that flesh is a metaphor for words, a body of teaching, that Jesus received from God like manna from heaven and gave for the life of the world. Hence eat my flesh,
It is not about God becoming a man. It is about teaching from God coming into the world like a light through a man, Jesus.
and it does not say that the WORD WAS GOD. It says logos was theos, not ho Theos.
In the greek Ho Theos is God. theos without the definite atricle ho before it means like God or godlike.
The word/reason , logos, was with Ho Theos, GOD, and the word/reason was theos, like God; reflective of God.
Nope. You're wrong about that. Let's see what the Bible says about "The Son":
Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
The "kicker":
Colossians 1:13-17, "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Christ is eternal. It's always best to let the Bible interpret the Bible. Don't let our petty ideas and opinions get in the way.
The passages you quoted from Isaiah are not about Jesus. and even if it was, virgin is a mistranslation and being called mighty God is not the same thing as being God.
One would have to dismiss the entire OT to profess a belief that God could become a human being.
There never was and never will be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.
You may hold this belief but it isn't what Jesus believed about himself. If he did he was insane. That's the way the cookie crumbles
Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God. John 20;17
By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he claimed to be God or thought of himself as God.
Nope. You're wrong about that. Let's see what the Bible says about "The Son":
Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
The "kicker":
Colossians 1:13-17, "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Christ is eternal. It's always best to let the Bible interpret the Bible. Don't let our petty ideas and opinions get in the way.
The passages you quoted from Isaiah are not about Jesus. and even if it was, virgin is a mistranslation and being called mighty God is not the same thing as being God.
One would have to dismiss the entire OT to profess a belief that God could become a human being.
There never was and never will be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.
You may hold this belief but it isn't what Jesus believed about himself. If he did he was insane. That's the way the cookie crumbles
Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God. John 20;17
By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he claimed to be God or thought of himself as God.
The Isaiah passages are Prophecies of the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ. No other "child" is called "the mighty God." Jesus Christ is 100% man as pertaining to the flesh and 100% God as pertaining to the Spirit. God literally took on the flesh so that He could experience the power of the flesh and to conquer sin. Having conquered sin He could present Himself a perfect sacrifice for mankind and the sins of the world.
Nope. You're wrong about that. Let's see what the Bible says about "The Son":
Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
The "kicker":
Colossians 1:13-17, "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Christ is eternal. It's always best to let the Bible interpret the Bible. Don't let our petty ideas and opinions get in the way.
The passages you quoted from Isaiah are not about Jesus. and even if it was, virgin is a mistranslation and being called mighty God is not the same thing as being God.
One would have to dismiss the entire OT to profess a belief that God could become a human being.
There never was and never will be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.
You may hold this belief but it isn't what Jesus believed about himself. If he did he was insane. That's the way the cookie crumbles
Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God. John 20;17
By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he claimed to be God or thought of himself as God.
The Isaiah passages are Prophecies of the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ. No other "child" is called "the mighty God." Jesus Christ is 100% man as pertaining to the flesh and 100% God as pertaining to the Spirit. God literally took on the flesh so that He could experience the power of the flesh and to conquer sin. Having conquered sin He could present Himself a perfect sacrifice for mankind and the sins of the world.
by worshiping jesus as a god you have entered into extremely unnatural relations with another man.
You are perverse.
That's why you can't accept that 1+1+1=3
The passages you quoted from Isaiah are not about Jesus. and even if it was, virgin is a mistranslation and being called mighty God is not the same thing as being God.
One would have to dismiss the entire OT to profess a belief that God could become a human being.
There never was and never will be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.
You may hold this belief but it isn't what Jesus believed about himself. If he did he was insane. That's the way the cookie crumbles
Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God. John 20;17
By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he claimed to be God or thought of himself as God.
The Isaiah passages are Prophecies of the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ. No other "child" is called "the mighty God." Jesus Christ is 100% man as pertaining to the flesh and 100% God as pertaining to the Spirit. God literally took on the flesh so that He could experience the power of the flesh and to conquer sin. Having conquered sin He could present Himself a perfect sacrifice for mankind and the sins of the world.
No, you are mistaken. The prophecy does not end there.
"For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken."
The mentioned prophecy is about the future king Hezekiah.
The two kings that Ahaz was afraid of that Isaiah said would be destroyed before the child was grown was already fulfilled about 700 years before Jesus was born.
aside from all of that, One God who has no equal precludes the existence of three coequal gods that became a man.
By worshiping Jesus as a god you have entered into extremely unnatural relations with another man.
you are perverse.
That's why you can't accept that 1+1+1=3
by worshiping jesus as a god you have entered into extremely unnatural relations with another man.
You are perverse.
That's why you can't accept that 1+1+1=3
1 x 1 x 1 = 1
by worshiping jesus as a god you have entered into extremely unnatural relations with another man.
You are perverse.
That's why you can't accept that 1+1+1=3
1 x 1 x 1 = 1
exactly.
I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob is not about the appearance of three coequal gods it was the appearance of the same exact God three times.
According to your own belief the Father is not the son and the son is not the holy spirit but the father is God the son is God and the holy spirit is God which is three distinct beings not the same being three times.
Three coequal beings in one God , (one of them human), does not add up to One God who is incorporeal and without visible shape or material form and has no equal.
That's the way the cookie crumbles.
How is it that you don't know the right course to take?
Oh, That's right, you don't give a shit. You have books, certificates, and diplomas and are licensed by the state to deceive...
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1 x 1 x 1 = 1
exactly.
I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob is not about the appearance of three coequal gods it was the appearance of the same exact God three times.
According to your own belief the Father is not the son and the son is not the holy spirit but the father is God the son is God and the holy spirit is God which is three distinct beings not the same being three times.
Three coequal beings in one God , (one of them human), does not add up to One God who is incorporeal and without visible shape or material form and has no equal.
That's the way the cookie crumbles.
How is it that you don't know the right course to take?
Oh, That's right, you don't give a shit. You have books, certificates, and diplomas and are licensed by the state to deceive...
.
Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
One thing to remember about the Trinity is that God in Genesis 1:1 is 'elohiym and it is PLURAL and not singular so when we think of John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." then we can start to understand the three persons in the one God.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Gen&chapter=1&verse=1&version=KJV#1
Hebrew Lexicon :: H430 (KJV)
Zec 2:10 ¶ Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zec 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
Who is speaking here? How can the Lord send the Lord? The Lord is speaking in Zechariah 2:10 and now in Zech 2:11 it says, "the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee." We know there is Father, Son and Holy Spirit but it baffles those Hebrew scholars that aren't Christians.
The passages you quoted from Isaiah are not about Jesus. and even if it was, virgin is a mistranslation and being called mighty God is not the same thing as being God.
One would have to dismiss the entire OT to profess a belief that God could become a human being.
There never was and never will be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.
You may hold this belief but it isn't what Jesus believed about himself. If he did he was insane. That's the way the cookie crumbles
Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God. John 20;17
By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he claimed to be God or thought of himself as God.
The Isaiah passages are Prophecies of the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ. No other "child" is called "the mighty God." Jesus Christ is 100% man as pertaining to the flesh and 100% God as pertaining to the Spirit. God literally took on the flesh so that He could experience the power of the flesh and to conquer sin. Having conquered sin He could present Himself a perfect sacrifice for mankind and the sins of the world.
No, you are mistaken. The prophecy does not end there.
"For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken."
The mentioned prophecy is about the future king Hezekiah.
The two kings that Ahaz was afraid of that Isaiah said would be destroyed before the child was grown was already fulfilled about 700 years before Jesus was born.
aside from all of that, One God who has no equal precludes the existence of three coequal gods that became a man.
By worshiping Jesus as a god you have entered into extremely unnatural relations with another man.
you are perverse.
That's why you can't accept that 1+1+1=3
The Isaiah passages are Prophecies of the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ. No other "child" is called "the mighty God." Jesus Christ is 100% man as pertaining to the flesh and 100% God as pertaining to the Spirit. God literally took on the flesh so that He could experience the power of the flesh and to conquer sin. Having conquered sin He could present Himself a perfect sacrifice for mankind and the sins of the world.
No, you are mistaken. The prophecy does not end there.
"For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken."
The mentioned prophecy is about the future king Hezekiah.
The two kings that Ahaz was afraid of that Isaiah said would be destroyed before the child was grown was already fulfilled about 700 years before Jesus was born.
aside from all of that, One God who has no equal precludes the existence of three coequal gods that became a man.
By worshiping Jesus as a god you have entered into extremely unnatural relations with another man.
you are perverse.
That's why you can't accept that 1+1+1=3
Sorry but Hezekiah was not known as "the mighty God." The passage in Matthew is a fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah:
Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
Jesus Christ was "God with us."Hezekiah was NOT "God with us." He was a mere mortal man. Comparatively speaking, Hezekiah was a good and faithful king but he had his faults and could never be considered a "God."
[MENTION=43287]hobelim[/MENTION]No, you are mistaken. The prophecy does not end there.
"For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken."
The mentioned prophecy is about the future king Hezekiah.
The two kings that Ahaz was afraid of that Isaiah said would be destroyed before the child was grown was already fulfilled about 700 years before Jesus was born.
aside from all of that, One God who has no equal precludes the existence of three coequal gods that became a man.
By worshiping Jesus as a god you have entered into extremely unnatural relations with another man.
you are perverse.
That's why you can't accept that 1+1+1=3
Sorry but Hezekiah was not known as "the mighty God." The passage in Matthew is a fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah:
Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
Jesus Christ was "God with us."Hezekiah was NOT "God with us." He was a mere mortal man. Comparatively speaking, Hezekiah was a good and faithful king but he had his faults and could never be considered a "God."
Ugh..
Hezekiah became king of Israel, Jesus did not. The land of the two kings that Ahaz cowered before became a desolation before Hezekiah was old enough to reject evil and choose good, Just like Isaiah said in the prophecy...700 years before Christ was born.
And Jesus was not called Immanuel, the prince of peace, or wonderful counselor either.
The only way that Jesus is even remotely connected to this story is by identifying himself with the serpent that Moses lifted up in the wilderness during the time of testing, the same bronze serpent that had become the object of idolatry that Hezekiah destroyed hundreds of years later.
By comparing himself to the serpent that Hezekiah destroyed Jesus knew that worship invoving his name would degenerate into idolatry.
Being called mighty God is not the same as actually being God.
People called caesar or the pharoahs mighty god. You are involved in the idolatrous worship of a man.
What would Hezekiah do?
Ugh..
Hezekiah became king of Israel, Jesus did not. The land of the two kings that Ahaz cowered before became a desolation before Hezekiah was old enough to reject evil and choose good, Just like Isaiah said in the prophecy...700 years before Christ was born.
And Jesus was not called Immanuel, the prince of peace, or wonderful counselor either.
Jesus is the King of kings. He's not only the King of Israel but the King over mankind. You must have missed the verse I quoted from Matthew showing the Christ WAS called Emmanuel or "God with us."
The only way that Jesus is even remotely connected to this story is by identifying himself with the serpent that Moses lifted up in the wilderness during the time of testing, the same bronze serpent that had become the object of idolatry that Hezekiah destroyed hundreds of years later.
Jesus says that "before Abraham was, I AM." Christ is the great I AM or God Almighty.
By comparing himself to the serpent that Hezekiah destroyed Jesus knew that worship invoving his name would degenerate into idolatry.
You'll have to provide more evidence that your personal opinions. Scripture please.
Being called mighty God is not the same as actually being God.
Except in Christ's case. He and the Father are one.
People called caesar or the pharoahs mighty god. You are involved in the idolatrous worship of a man.
Christ is God. To reject Him is to seal your fate as one who shall be hell bound.
John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
[MENTION=43287]hobelim[/MENTION]
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Acts 20 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
I think some Jehovah's Witnesses and you won't like this verse. What are you going to do with it?
Feed the church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood. Sounds like "he" refers back to God and the Holy Spirit.
Ugh..
Hezekiah became king of Israel, Jesus did not. The land of the two kings that Ahaz cowered before became a desolation before Hezekiah was old enough to reject evil and choose good, Just like Isaiah said in the prophecy...700 years before Christ was born.
And Jesus was not called Immanuel, the prince of peace, or wonderful counselor either.
Jesus is the King of kings. He's not only the King of Israel but the King over mankind. You must have missed the verse I quoted from Matthew showing the Christ WAS called Emmanuel or "God with us."
Jesus says that "before Abraham was, I AM." Christ is the great I AM or God Almighty.
By comparing himself to the serpent that Hezekiah destroyed Jesus knew that worship involving his name would degenerate into idolatry.
You'll have to provide more evidence that your personal opinions. Scripture please.
Christ is God. To reject Him is to seal your fate as one who shall be hell bound.
Hebrews 1:6 6And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."…
Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
^1 Peter 1:20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
John 3:16-17
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.…
John 6:47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
John 11:25 Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying.
John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life".
The phrase "God with us" or Emanuel, means exactly what it says. God, with us. Which is why Jesus said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father".
Instead of trying to figure out what God meant, just listen to what He says:
The phrase "God with us" or Emanuel, means exactly what it says. God, with us. Which is why Jesus said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father".
Instead of trying to figure out what God meant, just listen to what He says:
Till now I have been using figures of speech....John 16:25
but they did not understand what He meant..... john 10:16
but they did not understand what He meant....Mark 9:32
but they did not understand what He meant....luke 2:50
but they did not understand what He meant....luke 9:45
but they did not understand what He meant....luke 18:34
The phrase "God with us" or Emanuel, means exactly what it says. God, with us. Which is why Jesus said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father".
Instead of trying to figure out what God meant, just listen to what He says:
Till now I have been using figures of speech....John 16:25
but they did not understand what He meant..... john 10:16
but they did not understand what He meant....Mark 9:32
but they did not understand what He meant....luke 2:50
but they did not understand what He meant....luke 9:45
but they did not understand what He meant....luke 18:34
How is it even possible to listen to what Jesus says and do it if you don't understand what he meant?
