If the middle class is getting "peanuts" in this tax scam......?

[Ray From Cleveland]

I love how Marco Rubio now has buyer's remorse, and Fox News is calling him a RINO. He's trying to save his ass with all the elderly voters in his state he just screwed over...

The elderly got screwed over? When? How?

When? How? You'll see in the next couple months when Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid get cut to make up for the $1.5 trillion deficit the tax bill created.

There are no Medicare/ SS cuts scheduled in this bill. It's hysteria that the left and MSM are promoting. They couldn't find a way to insert racism so they went to the second best--scare people who depend on safety nets.

It is? Do you watch the news?

"“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said on a talk radio show. One of his top spending appropriators echoed the sentiment."

Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next

And if you don't like Vox, feel free to Google Ryan's comments and pick whatever site you want.

I read most of it and nowhere does it say anything about reducing benefits. It did highlight block granting which would save millions if not billions, but no talk about benefit reduction.

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill. They are going to try and deal with the problem next year. And as your article points out, not all Republicans are on board, so they will have to come up with something where everybody is satisfied.

 

[Wyatt earp]

And if they were getting screwed on the Commie Care fines, they will save several hundred dollars on top of that!

Either way you're getting screwed. And you like it.

Let's see, I'll be getting more money in my paycheck, won't have to lose my income tax refund check to the government, my employer will make out better which gives me a better opportunity for a wage increase........yeah, I'm so screwed.

Now would you like me to explain to you what happened to me under DumBama? Talk about getting screwed.

Let's see. People will be getting a little more money in their paycheck. Their mortgage might increase more than the extra money they're getting in their paycheck. The pumping of the economy will lead to a harder recession that might stop them earning money for a few years, which will increase the taxes for those who do work.

I'd say you'll get fucked whichever way.

WTF would anybody's mortgage increase? This tax bill has nothing to do with banks nor the lending industry.

Stimulating the economy will lead to a recession? Care to explain the dynamics of that?

There's a whole thread on it Ray. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean it's not happening.

Bahahahaa! Trump's screws homeowners over - Wall Street Journal

Homeowners Rush to Prepay 2018 Property-Tax Bills

Here's the article

"
Homeowners across the nation are rushing this week to prepay their property taxes for 2018 before the Republican tax law kicks in Jan. 1 and effectively raises the levy on higher-end homes.

The new legislation, which President Donald Trump signed into law last week, caps at $10,000 the amount of state and local taxes that filer can deduct from their federal tax bill."

But haha they have to pay a higher tax to the feds for the next 9 years


Why are the Democrats so GREEDY they don't want to pay their fair share?

 

[Lewdog]

I love how Marco Rubio now has buyer's remorse, and Fox News is calling him a RINO. He's trying to save his ass with all the elderly voters in his state he just screwed over...

The elderly got screwed over? When? How?

When? How? You'll see in the next couple months when Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid get cut to make up for the $1.5 trillion deficit the tax bill created.

There are no Medicare/ SS cuts scheduled in this bill. It's hysteria that the left and MSM are promoting. They couldn't find a way to insert racism so they went to the second best--scare people who depend on safety nets.

It is? Do you watch the news?

"“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said on a talk radio show. One of his top spending appropriators echoed the sentiment."

Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next

And if you don't like Vox, feel free to Google Ryan's comments and pick whatever site you want.

I read most of it and nowhere does it say anything about reducing benefits. It did highlight block granting which would save millions if not billions, but no talk about benefit reduction.

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill. They are going to try and deal with the problem next year. And as your article points out, not all Republicans are on board, so they will have to come up with something where everybody is satisfied.

They literally talk about cutting Social Security and Medicare...

 

[nat4900]

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid ...

 

[Wyatt earp]

I love how Marco Rubio now has buyer's remorse, and Fox News is calling him a RINO. He's trying to save his ass with all the elderly voters in his state he just screwed over...

The elderly got screwed over? When? How?

When? How? You'll see in the next couple months when Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid get cut to make up for the $1.5 trillion deficit the tax bill created.

Good then maybe your lazy crying ass will get a fucking job

You seem to be confused as to who it is that works snooks

What the hell match box lawyer I thought you quit USMB?


Welcome back twat and Happy New year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Stimulating the economy will lead to a recession? Care to explain the dynamics of that?

Stimulation can cause bubbles. Bubbles burst. Stimulation also isn't free.

Economic stimulation does not cause a bubble. False stimulation does. The housing crisis is a good example. The tech bubble is a good example because technology would eventually get to the point where it slowed down and people wouldn't be making the money on new technology as they did when it first came out.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid ...

Typical MSM bullshiting. It's designed to excite the headline voters.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid ...

Answer my question who did Trump borrow 1.5 trillion dollars from and quit avoiding the claim you made...

 

[Lewdog]

Stimulating the economy will lead to a recession? Care to explain the dynamics of that?

Stimulation can cause bubbles. Bubbles burst. Stimulation also isn't free.

Economic stimulation does not cause a bubble. False stimulation does. The housing crisis is a good example. The tech bubble is a good example because technology would eventually get to the point where it slowed down and people wouldn't be making the money on new technology as they did when it first came out.

You mean the kind of false stimulation that occurs when banks aren't held to certain guidelines like Dodd-Frank? It's a good thing those are in place!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The elderly got screwed over? When? How?

When? How? You'll see in the next couple months when Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid get cut to make up for the $1.5 trillion deficit the tax bill created.

There are no Medicare/ SS cuts scheduled in this bill. It's hysteria that the left and MSM are promoting. They couldn't find a way to insert racism so they went to the second best--scare people who depend on safety nets.

It is? Do you watch the news?

"“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said on a talk radio show. One of his top spending appropriators echoed the sentiment."

Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next

And if you don't like Vox, feel free to Google Ryan's comments and pick whatever site you want.

I read most of it and nowhere does it say anything about reducing benefits. It did highlight block granting which would save millions if not billions, but no talk about benefit reduction.

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill. They are going to try and deal with the problem next year. And as your article points out, not all Republicans are on board, so they will have to come up with something where everybody is satisfied.

They literally talk about cutting Social Security and Medicare...

Yes they do, but again, no talk about cutting benefits.

 

[Lewdog]

When? How? You'll see in the next couple months when Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid get cut to make up for the $1.5 trillion deficit the tax bill created.

There are no Medicare/ SS cuts scheduled in this bill. It's hysteria that the left and MSM are promoting. They couldn't find a way to insert racism so they went to the second best--scare people who depend on safety nets.

It is? Do you watch the news?

"“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said on a talk radio show. One of his top spending appropriators echoed the sentiment."

Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next

And if you don't like Vox, feel free to Google Ryan's comments and pick whatever site you want.

I read most of it and nowhere does it say anything about reducing benefits. It did highlight block granting which would save millions if not billions, but no talk about benefit reduction.

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill. They are going to try and deal with the problem next year. And as your article points out, not all Republicans are on board, so they will have to come up with something where everybody is satisfied.

They literally talk about cutting Social Security and Medicare...

Yes they do, but again, no talk about cutting benefits.

WHAT? Do you think they are going to cut the deficit by increasing Social Security and Medicare?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Stimulating the economy will lead to a recession? Care to explain the dynamics of that?

Stimulation can cause bubbles. Bubbles burst. Stimulation also isn't free.

Economic stimulation does not cause a bubble. False stimulation does. The housing crisis is a good example. The tech bubble is a good example because technology would eventually get to the point where it slowed down and people wouldn't be making the money on new technology as they did when it first came out.

You mean the kind of false stimulation that occurs when banks aren't held to certain guidelines like Dodd-Frank? It's a good thing those are in place!

Government created the lending guidelines to banks. If you want to sell your home mortgage loans to the market, you have to abide by F and F regulations.

Those included lax requirements like no credit check, no down payment, no income requirements. So when the government says you can lend money to people who can't pay it back, what do you think would happen? Banks make their money by making loans--not funding them. After they made their money, they sold the loans in bundles to the market and they were rated AAA. They were garbage loans because they were made to people who couldn't repay them.

 

[busybee01]

No trump supporter with even a half brain functioning would deny that the lion share of this tax scam is NOT going to the conglomerates (GOP donors) ........while a few dollars are being given to the middle class as tokens to keep the mantra of a "middle class tax cut".......

So, the question is a simple one.......will the few dollars that the middle class will be getting in the next few years be enough to stimulate the economy???

Bear in mind that large companies ONLY expand their goods and services when there is a demand for those goods and services.....and such demands arise from the middle class......

Conversely, if the demand is low, WHAT incentives will there be for companies to hire more people ....or raise salaries???

Most likely, the windfall of tax cuts for these conglomerates (borrowed money, BTW) will be spent in buying back stocks and paying premiums which....to a high percentage are also paid to foreign investors.

So, after the cheering subsides when the average family will get a couple of hundred dollars per month.......what realistic factors will be stimulating the U.S. economy toward more growth?

when the average family will get a couple of hundred dollars per month.
200 hundred a month?....nat i know a rich fucker like you could not comprehend this....but there are a lot of people where that couple of hundred a month will be pretty dam nice....

You notice how the libtards on here hate the poor now because it was a republican bill passed by Trump ?


If Trump gave every poor person in America a million dollars each , solved world hunger , made peace in the world for thousand years beat space Invaders from Mars

They would still be against Trump

Absolutely. There are all kinds of things in this bill that Democrats should be celebrating, but because the Republicans put them in, they are crying.

They have been programmed to just concentrate on how much the rich are getting to keep (not get from the government) of their own money.

I think tax reform should be fair to all. Yet at least 1 loophole was retained and several more created for the rich. Tax reform should work the same way for all. You get a lower rate but give up some deductions. Yet 1 loophole was added at the last minute that benefits Trump, Paul Ryan , and Corker. That sounds like what I expect in a swamp. It clearly has not been drained.

What is unfair about the people who pay the most taxes getting the biggest tax breaks? Who should get them, the people that pay the least?

40 some percent of our country pays all the taxes for the rest of us, why shouldn't they get the largest break? This is something that not one Democrat has been able to explain to me.

If we were talking about across the board rate cuts then you would be right. The rich pay more and would get more money. However in this bill, the rich get a rate cut and loopholes including 2 new ones. The first retains the carries interest deduction which even Trump said he would get rid of. He didn't. The pass-through scheme is another sop to the rich. A passive investor who invests in a pass-through business will pay a 25% rate. A entrepreneur who works in the business will pay the full tax rate. At the last minute a loophole was added for real estate trusts which gives big cuts to Paul Ryan, Donald Trump and Bob Corker who went from a no to a yes vote.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There are no Medicare/ SS cuts scheduled in this bill. It's hysteria that the left and MSM are promoting. They couldn't find a way to insert racism so they went to the second best--scare people who depend on safety nets.

It is? Do you watch the news?

"“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said on a talk radio show. One of his top spending appropriators echoed the sentiment."

Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next

And if you don't like Vox, feel free to Google Ryan's comments and pick whatever site you want.

I read most of it and nowhere does it say anything about reducing benefits. It did highlight block granting which would save millions if not billions, but no talk about benefit reduction.

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill. They are going to try and deal with the problem next year. And as your article points out, not all Republicans are on board, so they will have to come up with something where everybody is satisfied.

They literally talk about cutting Social Security and Medicare...

Yes they do, but again, no talk about cutting benefits.

WHAT? Do you think they are going to cut the deficit by increasing Social Security and Medicare?

I didn't say increasing them, I said no cuts to them.

 

[BulletProof]

Economic stimulation does not cause a bubble. False stimulation does.

If we distinguish between "good for the economy" and "stimulation", then all stimulation comes with a bust.

 

[busybee01]

Yup, you know how it works, when your young stupid and broke you vote democrat. Once you get a job and start working you become a republican.

In the real world, it works the opposite way. People tend to get more liberal as they get older. Real life does that.

I was a conservative when young, so I understand the attraction of conservatism, the way it tells you that nothing is ever your responsibility. That's why I'm here, to serve as a beacon of hope for lost conservatives. Remember, you are not doomed to a nightmare life of conservatism, followed by eternity in Hell. If I could turn away from selfishness, laziness and evil, then so can you.

So what planet are you on where conservatism tells you nothing is your responsibility? Conservatism is all about promoting personal responsibility. You have that confused with liberalism where every failure has an excuse.

Conservatism also does not mean telling people who are struggling to drop dead, it is not our responsibility. The Republican healthcare bill would have pitted low-income people against people with pre-existing conditions against older people. Ronald Reagan in his "Time for Choosing" speech said no one should be prevented from seeing a doctor because they cannot afford it. We need to acknowledge the nation's problems and find conservative solutions to it.

The mandate was created by the conservative Heritage Foundation. The reason for it was freeloaders. People who do not buy insurance when they are healthy but buy insurance when they get sick. Then when they are healthy they drop the insurance and leave others to pay the bill. Is that what you call personal responsibility? Apparently personal responsibility is important only when you want it to be.

Definitely not what we call personal responsibility...we call it liberalism.

A lot of people in this country call it compassion. Reagan was a conservative and he had compassion.

 

[Lewdog]

Stimulating the economy will lead to a recession? Care to explain the dynamics of that?

Stimulation can cause bubbles. Bubbles burst. Stimulation also isn't free.

Economic stimulation does not cause a bubble. False stimulation does. The housing crisis is a good example. The tech bubble is a good example because technology would eventually get to the point where it slowed down and people wouldn't be making the money on new technology as they did when it first came out.

You mean the kind of false stimulation that occurs when banks aren't held to certain guidelines like Dodd-Frank? It's a good thing those are in place!

Government created the lending guidelines to banks. If you want to sell your home mortgage loans to the market, you have to abide by F and F regulations.

Those included lax requirements like no credit check, no down payment, no income requirements. So when the government says you can lend money to people who can't pay it back, what do you think would happen? Banks make their money by making loans--not funding them. After they made their money, they sold the loans in bundles to the market and they were rated AAA. They were garbage loans because they were made to people who couldn't repay them.

You are the one that said false stimulation causes a bubble... well the protection for that just got taken away.

 

[Lewdog]

It is? Do you watch the news?

"“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said on a talk radio show. One of his top spending appropriators echoed the sentiment."

Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next

And if you don't like Vox, feel free to Google Ryan's comments and pick whatever site you want.

I read most of it and nowhere does it say anything about reducing benefits. It did highlight block granting which would save millions if not billions, but no talk about benefit reduction.

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill. They are going to try and deal with the problem next year. And as your article points out, not all Republicans are on board, so they will have to come up with something where everybody is satisfied.

They literally talk about cutting Social Security and Medicare...

Yes they do, but again, no talk about cutting benefits.

WHAT? Do you think they are going to cut the deficit by increasing Social Security and Medicare?

I didn't say increasing them, I said no cuts to them.

Holy shit. So you expect them to somehow lower the deficit through Social Security and Medicare WITHOUT lowering them?

...and for your next act you are going to pull a rabbit out of your ass.

 

[busybee01]

Plus the fact that no entitlement programs are on the chopping block in the tax reduction bill.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid ...

Typical MSM bullshiting. It's designed to excite the headline voters.

That is exactly what Paul Ryan said. There is nothing false about it.

 

[Thinker101]

Yup, you know how it works, when your young stupid and broke you vote democrat. Once you get a job and start working you become a republican.

In the real world, it works the opposite way. People tend to get more liberal as they get older. Real life does that.

I was a conservative when young, so I understand the attraction of conservatism, the way it tells you that nothing is ever your responsibility. That's why I'm here, to serve as a beacon of hope for lost conservatives. Remember, you are not doomed to a nightmare life of conservatism, followed by eternity in Hell. If I could turn away from selfishness, laziness and evil, then so can you.

So what planet are you on where conservatism tells you nothing is your responsibility? Conservatism is all about promoting personal responsibility. You have that confused with liberalism where every failure has an excuse.

Conservatism also does not mean telling people who are struggling to drop dead, it is not our responsibility. The Republican healthcare bill would have pitted low-income people against people with pre-existing conditions against older people. Ronald Reagan in his "Time for Choosing" speech said no one should be prevented from seeing a doctor because they cannot afford it. We need to acknowledge the nation's problems and find conservative solutions to it.

The mandate was created by the conservative Heritage Foundation. The reason for it was freeloaders. People who do not buy insurance when they are healthy but buy insurance when they get sick. Then when they are healthy they drop the insurance and leave others to pay the bill. Is that what you call personal responsibility? Apparently personal responsibility is important only when you want it to be.

Definitely not what we call personal responsibility...we call it liberalism.

A lot of people in this country call it compassion. Reagan was a conservative and he had compassion.

A lot of people in this country call it a kick in the butt.