If Trump was President with gas over $5/gallon, who would be blamed?

The Green deal will be forced on us whether we want it or not. This is a definition of tyranny. And it is sold like it is just part of American guile. The greatest scam in human history is being put onto the stage.

But big oil is all for reducing production and raising prices; takes a lot less work for higher profits. Both 'Parties' work for big biz; some Republcians already get it, others haven't gotten the memos yet and still think giant multi-nationals are America's friends; they aren't, they're big fans of the Red Chinese model.
 
But Biden didn't ban fracking...

He actually broke a promise to do it...

Biden is just playing head-up game... There is an energy crisis and we need fracking for now... Fracking will go the way of Coal, a newer tech (fracking) is putting Coal out of business, Wind & Solar could be Fracking end of dimishing...

But coal sales are actually up, and coal is still being used in the same ratios to other energy sources as it was 20 years ago. You are never going to convert Third World factories into solar and wind.
 
So you got nothing...

Biden has a medium to long term goal to get US off its addiction to oil...

Look at European goals as an example...
"The agreement to sell only zero-emissions vehicles from this time, unveiled at the UN climate summit in Glasgow on Wednesday, includes Canada, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Ireland and the UK, which had already agreed to phase out new petrol and diesel car sales by 2030."

These are serious goals... Biden has stated that they can't go for this with the immediate problems facing the world... The strategy has to take in short term concerns.

Just as example, Germany is burning Lignite (brown coal) at the moment to help with there energy problems but they want off Russian Gas and Oil by 2030... This increases the demands on other energy providers like Solar and Wind... I say Germany will be reconsidering Nuclear in the medium term (they are trying to phase that out too)... The big thing is they have whole new industries created out of these changes...

Denmark is the king of wind... They are above 55% on 2020 figures and adding incredible amounts a year (about 5%)....
"Two Danish manufacturers, Siemens Wind Power and MHI Vestas Offshore Wind, dominate the global market for off- shore wind turbines. Together, they have produced almost ninety percent of the offshore wind turbines installed."

Denmark saw a market and combination of Danish companies and Government they decided to take the lead in an emerging market. Trump tried to claim they caused cancer (ridiculous), but they say that a large one one over a city can help regulate hearth conditions..
So you got nothing...

We have biden’s own words on video

 
Trump would and here's why.

If you want to read the text of the complete Sherman Anti Trust act lawsuit it is here, otherwise just read what I copied.

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23. On either the afternoon of Wednesday, April 1, 2020, or on Thursday, April 2, 2020, former President Trump, at the request of the Defendants, spoke with Vladimir Putin and with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia in an effort to stop the price war. 24. On the next day, Thursday April 2, 2020, after his conversations with Saudi Arabia and Russia, the former President tweeted: “Just spoke to my friend MBS (Crown Prince) of Saudi Arabia, who spoke with President Putin of Russia, & I expect & hope that they will be cutting back approximately 10 Million Barrels, and maybe substantially more which, if it happens, will be GREAT for the oil & gas industry! ...Could be as high as 15 Million Barrels. Good (GREAT) news for everyone!” 25. On the next day, Friday, April 3, 2020, the former President met with the CEOs of the Defendants and others in the Cabinet Conference Room in the White House. The people who were present were as follows: a) The former President of the United States, Donald J. Trump; b) The American Petroleum Institute (API), by its Chief Executive Officer, Mike Sommers; c) Exxon Mobil Corporation, by its Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Darren Woods; d) Chevron Corporation, by its Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Michael Wirth; e) Phillips 66 Company, by its Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Greg Garland, who was to later serve as the CEO of API; f) Occidental Petroleum, by its President and Chief Executive Officer, Vicki Hollub; g) Devon Energy Corporation, by its President and Chief Executive Officer, David Hager; h) Continental Resources, Inc., by its Chairman of the Board of Directors, Harold Hamm; i) Hilcorp Energy Founder and Chairman, Jeff Hildenbrand; j) Energy Transfer Partners, by its Executive Chairman, Kelcy Warren; k) The United States Secretary Department of Interior, by David Bernhardt; Case 3:22-cv-01979 Document 1 Filed 03/28/22 Page 6 of 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 Complaint for Violation of the Sherman Act 7 l) The United States Secretary Department of Energy, by Dan Brouillette; and m) The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, by Trade Representative, Robert Lighthizer. Others who were present at the introductory part of the meeting before the secret meeting were: n) Kevin McCarthy, United States Representative [R] California; o) John Cornyn, United States Senator [R] Texas; p) Ted Cruz, United States Senator [R] Texas; and q) Dan Sullivan, United States Senator [R] Alaska. 26. Before the secret part of the former President’s meeting with the CEOs of the Defendants, and API, the President advised the CEOs that he would tell them about the specifics of his conversations with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and President Vladimir Putin of Russia, in his effort to act as the facilitator to stop the price war so that the US producers could raise the price of oil and gasoline. 27. After the secret meeting with the Defendant oil companies, the CEO of API, Mr. Sommers, stated that the price war between Russia and Saudi Arabia, and the consequent excess supply of oil, were the principal subjects of the meeting. 28. As a result of the meeting, it was understood that if the price war were stopped, the Defendants would increase their prices for oil and gasoline. 29. On the following Monday and Tuesday, April 6 and 7, 2020, news articles appeared in the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, stating that Saudi Arabia and Russia, as a condition of calling off the price war, required that the countries of North Case 3:22-cv-01979 Document 1 Filed 03/28/22 Page 7 of 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 Complaint for Violation of the Sherman Act 8 America (the United States, Canada and Mexico), must also agree to cut production. 30. On Thursday, April 9, 2020, former President Trump signaled that there would be a reduction in domestic production when he tweeted: “[T]here is so much production, noone knows what to do with it.” 31. As a “signal” to Saudi Arabia and Russia, that the United States itself would cooperate in reducing the available oil supply on the market, Secretary of Energy, Mr. Brouillette, “opened the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) to store excess oil from the U.S. producers. And I am pleased to report that crude oil deliveries of 21.3 million barrels to the SPR have been completed, a positive signal for the crude oil markets.” 32. Consequently, instead of filling the SPR with oil at very low prices for the benefit of the United States, the Department of Energy, in furtherance of the combination and conspiracy to withdraw oil supply from the market, simply stored over 20 million barrels of the excess oil from the U.S. producers and took it off the market. 33. On the same day, Thursday, April 9, 2020, OPEC held an emergency meeting to determine whether the price war would be called off. As a result of that emergency meeting, OPEC+ (Saudi Arabia and Russia) agreed to call off the price war and further agreed to cut the production of oil by 10 million barrels per day for at least a two-month period. 34. API’s Sommers lauded the agreement as the result of “strong U.S. diplomacy and reduced domestic production.” Mr. Sommers specifically stated that “this move will help stabilize world oil markets.” The American oil companies had agreed to the demands of Saudi Arabia and Russia. The cartel now included the Americans. It was, in effect and fact, OPEC++ (OPEC plus Russia plus America). 35. On Friday, April 10, 2020, at the G-20 meeting, it was made clear by Russian Case 3:22-cv-01979 Document 1 Filed 03/28/22 Page 8 of 25

30. On Thursday, April 9, 2020, former President Trump signaled that there would be a reduction in domestic production when he tweeted: “[T]here is so much production, noone knows what to do with it.” 31. As a “signal” to Saudi Arabia and Russia, that the United States itself would cooperate in reducing the available oil supply on the market, Secretary of Energy, Mr. Brouillette, “opened the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) to store excess oil from the U.S. producers. And I am pleased to report that crude oil deliveries of 21.3 million barrels to the SPR have been completed, a positive signal for the crude oil markets.” 32. Consequently, instead of filling the SPR with oil at very low prices for the benefit of the United States, the Department of Energy, in furtherance of the combination and conspiracy to withdraw oil supply from the market, simply stored over 20 million barrels of the excess oil from the U.S. producers and took it off the market.
I see a couple of idiots didn't agree with facts. But the two that did live in an alternate world of make believe.
 
Lets take all the exact same circumstances, but make Trump the President.

Now who would be repsonsible for gas prices and why?
Trump was a the president when Covid recession hit and unemployment shot up into stratosphere.

Did you blame him? If you say yes, if you have even an ounce of consistency, then I'll give you full pass on blaming Biden for worldwide post-Covid shortages excerbated by Russian invasion.
 
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His critics would blame Trump his supporters would not just as Biden's critics are blaming him for today's gas prices while his supporters do not this is SOP in politics.
 
Well, in their defense, politics is politics. Also, you reap what you sow and there is indeed such a thing as karma.
So just to confirm your commitment to this principle - you also blame Trump for Covid and historic recession since it happened during his time in office. Correct?
 
So just to confirm your commitment to this principle - you also blame Trump for Covid and historic recession since it happened during his time in office. Correct?
No. I'm pointing out the exact opposite. Dems attacked Trump for Covid when Covid ravaged every country in the world. Now they are reaping what they sowed and experiencing karma because they are now getting blamed for inflation, when inflation is all over the world. They deserve it for playing politics against Trump and now it has come back to bite them in the ass. That is karma at it's best. Democrats also blamed Trump for not taking responsibility for anything and now we have the dems not taking any responsibility for anything.
 
No. I'm pointing out the exact opposite. Dems attacked Trump for Covid when Covid ravaged every country in the world. Now they are reaping what they sowed and experiencing karma because they are now getting blamed for inflation, when inflation is all over the world. They deserve it for playing politics against Trump and now it has come back to bite them in the ass. That is karma at it's best. Democrats also blamed Trump for not taking responsibility for anything and now we have the dems not taking any responsibility for anything.
Big difference: Nothing Trump did caused Covid. That fact is indisputable. On the other hand, Biden is clearly responsible for the high price of gas.
 
No. I'm pointing out the exact opposite. Dems attacked Trump for Covid when Covid ravaged every country in the world.

Where they wrong or were they right?

It's not about who deserves what, it's about posting with intelectual integrity and some self respect. Have some.
 

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