If we ever let liberals disarm us, we will lose the last bits of freedom we have left...

[RealDave]

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

We are both a republic & a democracy.

 

[danielpalos]

...it's not about self-defense against criminals (though that's important), or hunting (though that's important too) the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from liberal elites who are conspiring to destroy our freedoms. Look at what they've accomplished on university campuses, where First Amendment no longer exists, and a man accused of rape is denied due process. Look at what they're doing with Google, Facebook and Twitter, censoring speech and banning conservatives from speaking. Look at the California one-party state, secured with illegal votes of illegal aliens. This is the liberal elite's goal for all of us, a total loss of the freedom to speak and vote.

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

 

[Crepitus]

...it's not about self-defense against criminals (though that's important), or hunting (though that's important too) the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from liberal elites who are conspiring to destroy our freedoms. Look at what they've accomplished on university campuses, where First Amendment no longer exists, and a man accused of rape is denied due process. Look at what they're doing with Google, Facebook and Twitter, censoring speech and banning conservatives from speaking. Look at the California one-party state, secured with illegal votes of illegal aliens. This is the liberal elite's goal for all of us, a total loss of the freedom to speak and vote.

I wish the liberal elite would do something about Good Morning America…it’s infringing on my right to not be annoyed.

Change the channel.

Sometimes I watch Pauxsnews just to get annoyed. It's like watching a football game where the refs are calling the fouls against your home team. It's good for the soul. Too bad the other side doesn't spend time on MSNBC or CNN for the same reason. Maybe when we come get their guns and send them to the interment camps their sentence will be that they have to watch MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day. Now, that's justice.

We? You'll be tucked away behind your computer running your mouth about something for which you have zero knowledge.

And you will be in your mom's basement, clutching a .22 and mumbling about situational awareness.

 

[RealDave]

The biggest mistake the NRA fueled morons don;t get is that a lot of liberal leaning people own guns.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

We are both a republic & a democracy.

That is like saying we are a virgin whore.

A primary difference between a Republic and a Democracy is that, in a Republic unalienable Rights are above the reach of government. See this for the differences between a Republic and a Democracy:

REPUBLIC VS. DEMOCRACY, U.S.ARMY ANALYSIS

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The biggest mistake the NRA fueled morons don;t get is that a lot of liberal leaning people own guns.

And how many left wing politicians can tell you what an unalienable Right is?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Still twisting yourself to call the AR-15 and assault rifle, huh? FYI, I have four of them. Next question is what the fuck are you going to do about it? Whine and cry.

I noticed you don't have the guts to answer it or provide a link to anything you claim I said. That's what a fucking pussy left wing coward does. Runs when he's expected to back up his claims. Did the question trigger you, BOY?

When I was a kid there used to be an advertisement in Mechanics Illustrated where you could buy a Mercedes Benz kit to put over a Volkswagen and make the VW look like a miniature Mercedes.

Do you think if Daryl saw one of those, he'd bet you $100 it was a Mercedes?

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

Personal attack is when someone says something that isn't a fact. Fact: You never served. Your writing told me this as it did every other Retired Military Person in here. You also have shown that you have never really spent any time in the clutches with a M-16 or a M-4 and really don't have any experience to draw any accurate conclusions. Most in here are in the same boat. Most of the ones that claim to have "Served" are REMFs who never spent any real time at the range and never entered combat. 2, 3 and 4 years and a tour behind a desk doesn't make you an expert. I used a phrase that only a combat vet understands. I wrote my ass off decades ago. That's another thing you aren't capable of understanding. So you take umbridge with me stating a fact, so be it. Here it is again, you never served. Too bad. Actually, if everyone served there wouldn't be anyone to fight for.

Your 500 buck bargain basement AR-15 is what I would call junk. Why not spend another 400 to 500 more and get a LE6920 like the Swats use and get a real live Milspec AR-15 that uses all the same parts of the M-16 except for about 3 parts. I don't care what the box says, I would be very careful about firing a lot of .556 Nato Rounds through the bargain basement AR without changing a few parts to milspec parts. The problem you will have then is, your accuracy with the 223 ammo will suffer. But the rifle will be super accurate at longer ranges firing the .556 Nato rounds. The problem is, after you make those chances, you reach the total cost of the LE6920 so why bother. Just buy the LE6920 in the first place. They also make a CAR version of the LE6920 for those of you that want the shorter M-4 versions.

And you say that it takes 20k to buy a real M-16? Not even close. You can buy a full blown one for right around 3000. How about a real piece of history. You can buy an AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) that is full auto for right around 3000 bucks. It's well maintained, fully functional and only 14K of them were ever made from 1964 to 1968 a year before the AR-15-Model 601 or M-16A-1. The only two differences is on the side, the stamp says AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) where the M-16 was stamped on later and the charging handle is a triangle instead of a bar. That's the daddy to the AR-15, M-16 and the M-4. It was retired from the Air Force in 1992 and there are still a few floating around. Most of us old timers in the Air Force spent a lot of time with what we thought were M-16s when in reality it was the AR-15 Model 601. Even today, the newly purchased M-16 is manufactured by colt under the factory number of AR-15 Model 604. The Rifle is stamped with M-16 when it is shipped to the various Militaries who are their only customers for that particular model.

Here it's been decades since you bunch has gone off on a rabid campaign about how we are trying to take all your guns. It's been decades and it's still hasn't happened. Nothing you have done or said has made on whit of a difference on way or another. If anything, your actions has made things a more dangerous place. Luckily, common sense people have started implementing common sense gun regulations that con't take the guns, do not go against the 2nd amendment and have stopped at least one or two really bad murders. If it saves even one life, it's worth it. I like the gun regs in Colorado. They are common sense and more and more States are going in that direction. I can still buy a gun in about 15 minutes with proper ID. I can still buy a reasonable amount of ammo. I can still transport it. I can still get a CCW, No one comes into my home and demands to inspect my guns, etc.. And our violent gun crime rate has skyrocketed down in the process as well as the mass shootings have completely stopped. Every once in awhile, some idiot will try and get into position for a school shooting but they are stopped every time. Not so in the past before the law changes and the public education. Since the NRA, who was suppose to the champion of the Training of Gun Safety, was run off, we are not doing it ourselves much better. All the NRA wanted to do is to stop us from having our common sense gun regs and training be damned. The NRA cost us a few million in 2013 along with 3 special elections, loss of Education Funds, Bridge and Road Funds, etc. and in the end, nothing changed in the courts. Even the one hand picked State House member they got in by special election lost the next time around and was replaced by the very person that lost during the special election. We wont' stop all of the killings but if we stop even one it's all worth it because how much is a life worth?

 

[irosie91]

...it's not about self-defense against criminals (though that's important), or hunting (though that's important too) the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from liberal elites who are conspiring to destroy our freedoms. Look at what they've accomplished on university campuses, where First Amendment no longer exists, and a man accused of rape is denied due process. Look at what they're doing with Google, Facebook and Twitter, censoring speech and banning conservatives from speaking. Look at the California one-party state, secured with illegal votes of illegal aliens. This is the liberal elite's goal for all of us, a total loss of the freedom to speak and vote.

I wish the liberal elite would do something about Good Morning America…it’s infringing on my right to not be annoyed.

Change the channel.

Sometimes I watch Pauxsnews just to get annoyed. It's like watching a football game where the refs are calling the fouls against your home team. It's good for the soul. Too bad the other side doesn't spend time on MSNBC or CNN for the same reason. Maybe when we come get their guns and send them to the interment camps their sentence will be that they have to watch MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day. Now, that's justice.

We? You'll be tucked away behind your computer running your mouth about something for which you have zero knowledge.

And you will be in your mom's basement, clutching a .22 and mumbling about situational awareness.

ban on weapons HAS A HISTORY-----that I have not seen addressed so far
in this discussion. Disarmament rules exist in SHARIAH LAW against all
non-muslims. The disarmament is not restricted to guns (for obvious reasons) It includes knives and bows and arrows and even the "machine of war"--------which was, for millennia ----the HORSE (and camel) -------believe it or not---

 

[Moonglow]

The biggest mistake the NRA fueled morons don;t get is that a lot of liberal leaning people own guns.

I do and used to hunt...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

We are both a republic & a democracy.

Like Communism, Democracy only works in small groups like Clubs. When the group starts to grow it has to transform into something else to exist like Dictatorship, Oligarchy, Republic, Monarchy and a few others. Many times Socialism gets confused as a way of Governing. But like Capitalism, it's a Economic Model. The US is somewhere between a Republic and a Oligarchy for Government and runs the gambit for economic models from Capitalism to Socialism at all times. It changes as our need arises. Right now, we are a friggin mess and lean more towards an Oligarchy with Federal leanings. We need to self correct that. Yes, the correction is painful but it's always happened.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I wish the liberal elite would do something about Good Morning America…it’s infringing on my right to not be annoyed.

Change the channel.

Sometimes I watch Pauxsnews just to get annoyed. It's like watching a football game where the refs are calling the fouls against your home team. It's good for the soul. Too bad the other side doesn't spend time on MSNBC or CNN for the same reason. Maybe when we come get their guns and send them to the interment camps their sentence will be that they have to watch MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day. Now, that's justice.

We? You'll be tucked away behind your computer running your mouth about something for which you have zero knowledge.

And you will be in your mom's basement, clutching a .22 and mumbling about situational awareness.

ban on weapons HAS A HISTORY-----that I have not seen addressed so far
in this discussion. Disarmament rules exist in SHARIAH LAW against all
non-muslims. The disarmament is not restricted to guns (for obvious reasons) It includes knives and bows and arrows and even the "machine of war"--------which was, for millennia ----the HORSE (and camel) -------believe it or not---

When this nation was formed, something very similar was done. All Free White Men in good standings with the current Government ........ Sounds real good until you replace it with Muslim, African, Hindu, or any other race or religion and you have what you are talking about. That was quickly changed but in the beginning, if you were deemed a Torry you had no rights of a free man and you didn't have to have raised a hand in anger. Most people actually either supported the British or didn't support one side or the other. In the end, only about 7% of the population actually took up arms for the revolution. More than 50% would be considered Tories one way or another.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

When I was a kid there used to be an advertisement in Mechanics Illustrated where you could buy a Mercedes Benz kit to put over a Volkswagen and make the VW look like a miniature Mercedes.

Do you think if Daryl saw one of those, he'd bet you $100 it was a Mercedes?

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

Personal attack is when someone says something that isn't a fact. Fact: You never served. Your writing told me this as it did every other Retired Military Person in here. You also have shown that you have never really spent any time in the clutches with a M-16 or a M-4 and really don't have any experience to draw any accurate conclusions. Most in here are in the same boat. Most of the ones that claim to have "Served" are REMFs who never spent any real time at the range and never entered combat. 2, 3 and 4 years and a tour behind a desk doesn't make you an expert. I used a phrase that only a combat vet understands. I wrote my ass off decades ago. That's another thing you aren't capable of understanding. So you take umbridge with me stating a fact, so be it. Here it is again, you never served. Too bad. Actually, if everyone served there wouldn't be anyone to fight for.

Your 500 buck bargain basement AR-15 is what I would call junk. Why not spend another 400 to 500 more and get a LE6920 like the Swats use and get a real live Milspec AR-15 that uses all the same parts of the M-16 except for about 3 parts. I don't care what the box says, I would be very careful about firing a lot of .556 Nato Rounds through the bargain basement AR without changing a few parts to milspec parts. The problem you will have then is, your accuracy with the 223 ammo will suffer. But the rifle will be super accurate at longer ranges firing the .556 Nato rounds. The problem is, after you make those chances, you reach the total cost of the LE6920 so why bother. Just buy the LE6920 in the first place. They also make a CAR version of the LE6920 for those of you that want the shorter M-4 versions.

And you say that it takes 20k to buy a real M-16? Not even close. You can buy a full blown one for right around 3000. How about a real piece of history. You can buy an AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) that is full auto for right around 3000 bucks. It's well maintained, fully functional and only 14K of them were ever made from 1964 to 1968 a year before the AR-15-Model 601 or M-16A-1. The only two differences is on the side, the stamp says AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) where the M-16 was stamped on later and the charging handle is a triangle instead of a bar. That's the daddy to the AR-15, M-16 and the M-4. It was retired from the Air Force in 1992 and there are still a few floating around. Most of us old timers in the Air Force spent a lot of time with what we thought were M-16s when in reality it was the AR-15 Model 601. Even today, the newly purchased M-16 is manufactured by colt under the factory number of AR-15 Model 604. The Rifle is stamped with M-16 when it is shipped to the various Militaries who are their only customers for that particular model.

Here it's been decades since you bunch has gone off on a rabid campaign about how we are trying to take all your guns. It's been decades and it's still hasn't happened. Nothing you have done or said has made on whit of a difference on way or another. If anything, your actions has made things a more dangerous place. Luckily, common sense people have started implementing common sense gun regulations that con't take the guns, do not go against the 2nd amendment and have stopped at least one or two really bad murders. If it saves even one life, it's worth it. I like the gun regs in Colorado. They are common sense and more and more States are going in that direction. I can still buy a gun in about 15 minutes with proper ID. I can still buy a reasonable amount of ammo. I can still transport it. I can still get a CCW, No one comes into my home and demands to inspect my guns, etc.. And our violent gun crime rate has skyrocketed down in the process as well as the mass shootings have completely stopped. Every once in awhile, some idiot will try and get into position for a school shooting but they are stopped every time. Not so in the past before the law changes and the public education. Since the NRA, who was suppose to the champion of the Training of Gun Safety, was run off, we are not doing it ourselves much better. All the NRA wanted to do is to stop us from having our common sense gun regs and training be damned. The NRA cost us a few million in 2013 along with 3 special elections, loss of Education Funds, Bridge and Road Funds, etc. and in the end, nothing changed in the courts. Even the one hand picked State House member they got in by special election lost the next time around and was replaced by the very person that lost during the special election. We wont' stop all of the killings but if we stop even one it's all worth it because how much is a life worth?

I think it is despicable that you would be so low as to challenge someone's service to their country. Tell you what big boy: Meet me somewhere in public close to where I live. If I fail to produce my DD214, Honorable Discharge certificate and pictures of me in the military, I will donate $1000 to your favorite charity. If you're wrong, you leave this board permanently. Do you accept the challenge?

For those of you with minimal reading skills, I said you could build an AR 15 for under $500. I never said I had one. My last AR featured a 1 x 8 Melonite barrel from Faxon with a nickel boron BCG from WMD, and a BCM charging handle. The balance of it was SPIKES and Magpul except flip up Troy sights. Topped off with a Nikon scope, it was pretty decent as a self defense rifle. It still was not an M16.

Currently about 70,000 people die from drug overdoses each year, but Americans are wanting to legalize drugs. TWICE as many people die from drug overdoses compared to firearm deaths in the U.S. each year. It makes little sense to me that drug deaths are more palatable than firearm related deaths.

We could do more and should do more to prevent firearm deaths WITHOUT instituting gun control. The problem is, the left controls both sides of the discussion in public and they cannot and / or will not tell you that a LOT of lives lost due to firearms could be saved WITHOUT gun control.

 

[Conservative65]

When I was a kid there used to be an advertisement in Mechanics Illustrated where you could buy a Mercedes Benz kit to put over a Volkswagen and make the VW look like a miniature Mercedes.

Do you think if Daryl saw one of those, he'd bet you $100 it was a Mercedes?

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

Personal attack is when someone says something that isn't a fact. Fact: You never served. Your writing told me this as it did every other Retired Military Person in here. You also have shown that you have never really spent any time in the clutches with a M-16 or a M-4 and really don't have any experience to draw any accurate conclusions. Most in here are in the same boat. Most of the ones that claim to have "Served" are REMFs who never spent any real time at the range and never entered combat. 2, 3 and 4 years and a tour behind a desk doesn't make you an expert. I used a phrase that only a combat vet understands. I wrote my ass off decades ago. That's another thing you aren't capable of understanding. So you take umbridge with me stating a fact, so be it. Here it is again, you never served. Too bad. Actually, if everyone served there wouldn't be anyone to fight for.

Your 500 buck bargain basement AR-15 is what I would call junk. Why not spend another 400 to 500 more and get a LE6920 like the Swats use and get a real live Milspec AR-15 that uses all the same parts of the M-16 except for about 3 parts. I don't care what the box says, I would be very careful about firing a lot of .556 Nato Rounds through the bargain basement AR without changing a few parts to milspec parts. The problem you will have then is, your accuracy with the 223 ammo will suffer. But the rifle will be super accurate at longer ranges firing the .556 Nato rounds. The problem is, after you make those chances, you reach the total cost of the LE6920 so why bother. Just buy the LE6920 in the first place. They also make a CAR version of the LE6920 for those of you that want the shorter M-4 versions.

And you say that it takes 20k to buy a real M-16? Not even close. You can buy a full blown one for right around 3000. How about a real piece of history. You can buy an AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) that is full auto for right around 3000 bucks. It's well maintained, fully functional and only 14K of them were ever made from 1964 to 1968 a year before the AR-15-Model 601 or M-16A-1. The only two differences is on the side, the stamp says AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) where the M-16 was stamped on later and the charging handle is a triangle instead of a bar. That's the daddy to the AR-15, M-16 and the M-4. It was retired from the Air Force in 1992 and there are still a few floating around. Most of us old timers in the Air Force spent a lot of time with what we thought were M-16s when in reality it was the AR-15 Model 601. Even today, the newly purchased M-16 is manufactured by colt under the factory number of AR-15 Model 604. The Rifle is stamped with M-16 when it is shipped to the various Militaries who are their only customers for that particular model.

Here it's been decades since you bunch has gone off on a rabid campaign about how we are trying to take all your guns. It's been decades and it's still hasn't happened. Nothing you have done or said has made on whit of a difference on way or another. If anything, your actions has made things a more dangerous place. Luckily, common sense people have started implementing common sense gun regulations that con't take the guns, do not go against the 2nd amendment and have stopped at least one or two really bad murders. If it saves even one life, it's worth it. I like the gun regs in Colorado. They are common sense and more and more States are going in that direction. I can still buy a gun in about 15 minutes with proper ID. I can still buy a reasonable amount of ammo. I can still transport it. I can still get a CCW, No one comes into my home and demands to inspect my guns, etc.. And our violent gun crime rate has skyrocketed down in the process as well as the mass shootings have completely stopped. Every once in awhile, some idiot will try and get into position for a school shooting but they are stopped every time. Not so in the past before the law changes and the public education. Since the NRA, who was suppose to the champion of the Training of Gun Safety, was run off, we are not doing it ourselves much better. All the NRA wanted to do is to stop us from having our common sense gun regs and training be damned. The NRA cost us a few million in 2013 along with 3 special elections, loss of Education Funds, Bridge and Road Funds, etc. and in the end, nothing changed in the courts. Even the one hand picked State House member they got in by special election lost the next time around and was replaced by the very person that lost during the special election. We wont' stop all of the killings but if we stop even one it's all worth it because how much is a life worth?

Since you have no clue what I own, Rambo, you shouldn't run your dick sucker about the level of knowledge and ability. The family business refutes any claim you may have.

 

[Conservative65]

...it's not about self-defense against criminals (though that's important), or hunting (though that's important too) the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from liberal elites who are conspiring to destroy our freedoms. Look at what they've accomplished on university campuses, where First Amendment no longer exists, and a man accused of rape is denied due process. Look at what they're doing with Google, Facebook and Twitter, censoring speech and banning conservatives from speaking. Look at the California one-party state, secured with illegal votes of illegal aliens. This is the liberal elite's goal for all of us, a total loss of the freedom to speak and vote.

I wish the liberal elite would do something about Good Morning America…it’s infringing on my right to not be annoyed.

Change the channel.

Sometimes I watch Pauxsnews just to get annoyed. It's like watching a football game where the refs are calling the fouls against your home team. It's good for the soul. Too bad the other side doesn't spend time on MSNBC or CNN for the same reason. Maybe when we come get their guns and send them to the interment camps their sentence will be that they have to watch MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day. Now, that's justice.

We? You'll be tucked away behind your computer running your mouth about something for which you have zero knowledge.

And you will be in your mom's basement, clutching a .22 and mumbling about situational awareness.

She doesn't have a basement. You couldn't handle the caliber of what I shoot.

 

[Conservative65]

What you did was incorrectly label the AR-15 an assault rifle. That's where the pretzel twisting was.

I didn't make a statement on minorities. I asked a question you stupid motherfucker. That's what the "?" means. I do see you can't provide a link to anything remotely close to what you claims I said. Better luck next time, BOY.

If the M-16 and M-4 are both Assault Rifles so is the AR-15. You can't change that with your magic wand. The Original AR-15 Model 601 was the original US Assault Rifle second only to the original AK-47. You AR Cult Members have been twisting your pretzels for so long I don't know if you believe yourselves or not. When you are faced with reality, you just hold your hands to your ears and start screaming, "LALALALALALA". I guess you want to break out the trusty jeep mounted Mah Deuce because there is a whole herd of Deer that would be tasty.

And your question stands by itself, bigot.

Still twisting yourself to call the AR-15 and assault rifle, huh? FYI, I have four of them. Next question is what the fuck are you going to do about it? Whine and cry.

I noticed you don't have the guts to answer it or provide a link to anything you claim I said. That's what a fucking pussy left wing coward does. Runs when he's expected to back up his claims. Did the question trigger you, BOY?

When I was a kid there used to be an advertisement in Mechanics Illustrated where you could buy a Mercedes Benz kit to put over a Volkswagen and make the VW look like a miniature Mercedes.

Do you think if Daryl saw one of those, he'd bet you $100 it was a Mercedes?

He's posted things pretending to be a tough guy and saying "we" when it comes to taking guns. I doubt he's man enough to be involved in the effort.

What's the matter, does a little humor scare you that much? Does it make you want to hide under your bed first thing in the morning? Hide your crayons and coloring books, we are coming for those as well.

What's the matter, when you Rambo posturing is called out for what it is you revert to the typical left wing excuses? No one's hiding except you, boy, and it's behind your computer making demands you and both know you never could back up. Get back to playing GI Joe.

 

[Conservative65]

If the M-16 and M-4 are both Assault Rifles so is the AR-15. You can't change that with your magic wand. The Original AR-15 Model 601 was the original US Assault Rifle second only to the original AK-47. You AR Cult Members have been twisting your pretzels for so long I don't know if you believe yourselves or not. When you are faced with reality, you just hold your hands to your ears and start screaming, "LALALALALALA". I guess you want to break out the trusty jeep mounted Mah Deuce because there is a whole herd of Deer that would be tasty.

And your question stands by itself, bigot.

Still twisting yourself to call the AR-15 and assault rifle, huh? FYI, I have four of them. Next question is what the fuck are you going to do about it? Whine and cry.

I noticed you don't have the guts to answer it or provide a link to anything you claim I said. That's what a fucking pussy left wing coward does. Runs when he's expected to back up his claims. Did the question trigger you, BOY?

When I was a kid there used to be an advertisement in Mechanics Illustrated where you could buy a Mercedes Benz kit to put over a Volkswagen and make the VW look like a miniature Mercedes.

Do you think if Daryl saw one of those, he'd bet you $100 it was a Mercedes?

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

Internet tough guys don't scare me, coward. I already won and chalked it up in the win column. However, if you feel like such a man from behind your computer, keep pretending if it make you feel better.

Yah, standard Strumpite method of winning. Declare a victory, run away and then go into a whole series of, "I won, I won and You Lost" over and over.

No one is running but you, coward. Remember your tough guy talk then claiming it was a joke?

 

[Conservative65]

...it's not about self-defense against criminals (though that's important), or hunting (though that's important too) the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from liberal elites who are conspiring to destroy our freedoms. Look at what they've accomplished on university campuses, where First Amendment no longer exists, and a man accused of rape is denied due process. Look at what they're doing with Google, Facebook and Twitter, censoring speech and banning conservatives from speaking. Look at the California one-party state, secured with illegal votes of illegal aliens. This is the liberal elite's goal for all of us, a total loss of the freedom to speak and vote.

I wish the liberal elite would do something about Good Morning America…it’s infringing on my right to not be annoyed.

Change the channel.

Sometimes I watch Pauxsnews just to get annoyed. It's like watching a football game where the refs are calling the fouls against your home team. It's good for the soul. Too bad the other side doesn't spend time on MSNBC or CNN for the same reason. Maybe when we come get their guns and send them to the interment camps their sentence will be that they have to watch MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day. Now, that's justice.

We? You'll be tucked away behind your computer running your mouth about something for which you have zero knowledge.

Got more time breaking down a M-16 than you have on the chowline. You seem to think you Sillyvillians are the experts. Guess again. Most of us have turned down positions on Police Forces for various reasons. But one thing we know is, the AR-15 is as deadly as the M-16 and M-4 and are handled exactly the same way since they are, essentially, the same weapon. Go enlist and do a couple or three tours and earn that experience. Until then, you are just a freeloader with a bunch of toys.

They are not the same weapon. Someone that claims what you've claimed to have done would know that.

Prove, with verifiable evidence, you've done what you say or get back to playing soldier to try and impress your sister/girlfriend.

 

[Conservative65]

I’m going to a gun show today. I wonder why I’d do that?

And I’m not talking about meeting G.T. at the gym.

Perhaps you should take Daryl Hunt form the forum with you so he can educate himself on guns.

I’m sure he’s got the education he needs.

Not based on what he claims.

He also like make claims about what others said and when asked to provide a link to the quote he said was made, runs like the typical left wing pussy.

Sounds like you two might need marriage counseling.

Sounds like you're the same type pussy as he is.

 

[Ambivalent1]

...it's not about self-defense against criminals (though that's important), or hunting (though that's important too) the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from liberal elites who are conspiring to destroy our freedoms. Look at what they've accomplished on university campuses, where First Amendment no longer exists, and a man accused of rape is denied due process. Look at what they're doing with Google, Facebook and Twitter, censoring speech and banning conservatives from speaking. Look at the California one-party state, secured with illegal votes of illegal aliens. This is the liberal elite's goal for all of us, a total loss of the freedom to speak and vote.

'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

The 2'nd Amendment is ENTIRELY about the Militia (the military). It is NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with people owning guns to protect themselves from burglars or neighbors or the 'evil' liberals.

Back then, the Militia WAS the military as the Founding Fathers were smart enough to have a tiny peace time army but a huge, well-equipped reserves (militia). THAT is what the second Amendment was ALL about.

I don't even begin to care what you gun bunnies say it is for...it is solely and completely about the militia.


And I will not debate this because to do so is pointless as gun bunnies are flat out mentally disturbed about gun ownership. I have NEVER met a gun bunny who did not appear to me to be either stupid and/or mentally 'off' on some level. Never.

Ta ta.

BTW - I signed up for the reserves when I was 18...so you can save the 'he never fired a gun in his life' nonsense. I have and I love guns.
But I am not fanatical about them like you gun bunnies are.

LOL, this is how the Left operates. Tell me, can you separate the first part of the sentence from the second?

 

[Ambivalent1]

Anyone against sensible gun control is someone who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun in the first place.

Meaning "sensible" as you define it of course.