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Apology noted, next I make you begWe were talking about voting not Registering for the military learn how to readThat’s what I asked you lolHahahah hahahah how many people have been fined $250,000 for not registering to vote and then put in jail for five years?? HahahaWhat if they refuseWhat age?I’d make the national vote majority
The same age as the requirement to register for selective service.
The main change there is I would require everyone, regardless of gender, to register.
Then the punishment that exists now will suffice. If you do not register you are not eligible for federal student aid, job training, or a federal job. You can also be fine $250,000 and sent jail for up to 5 years.
Not many. The overwhelming majority register for selective service.
And I was talking about registering for selective service. If someone chooses not to register to vote, why would they be punished at all?
You used the word "refuse". Since registering to vote is not, and never has been, mandatory, I thought you meant the selective service.
Refusing to register implies they are required to do so.
I read quite well. I even read your butchered English.
You asked about the age of those allowed to vote. I answered by saying it should be the same as the selective service. And then added that the selective service should be expanded to include everyone regardless of gender. That was what I thought you were referring to.
It was a misunderstanding. Move along.
Ever heard of "civic duty"? Is the thing that built America now some sort of commie plot? This traditional American value is just about dead and conservatives killed it. The last vestige of this is jury duty. I have been summoned many times. God how people bitch about this small favor our community asks of us.So now your changing your mind from making it mandatory to making it difficult to vote or not vote? How exactly are you going to make it difficult to not vote?Details. Most of the reason people do not vote is that it's often a pain in the ass. If voting was quick and easy and didn't involve a sacrifice in time or money or standing out in the cold there would be no excuse not to vote. Voting could be made to be an opt-out practice where there is no penalty at all for not voting but opting out would be every bit as difficult as voting.So what is your idea? Round everyone up at gunpoint force them into trucks and run them down to the polls?It's certainly doable to make voting mandatory. The American people would have to confront the fact that they are citizens of a nation every couple of years. Making it work is just a matter of organization, technology and a commitment to making America truly great. We deserve a voting system that befits our stature in world, not this special interest corporate crapfest we endure every two years.I don't think I would go as far as making voting mandatory but I wouldn't mind giving any person time off to vote if they wanted it. I would want voter ID also. Unless you are worried that minorities are too stupid to obtain one or continue to hold onto.Force? What would you force Americans to do if you could rewire American democracy? All I am asking is that Americans participate in their government. It's a small burden that would result in a much better run country. Voting would have to be something like a national holiday where every effort would be made to make voting easy and quick.So you want to force us to vote?Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
Maybe if they don't show up to vote don't allow them to have a job?
Or maybe remove them from the country?
You do realize that people tend to be come hard headed when forced to do things they don't want to do? They not only have a bad habit of doing a sloppy job but at times they tend to push back.
Tax someone for not voting? Who is responsible for the paperwork and the law suits when someone gets taxed because the paperwork is wrong?
Is there another way to make it difficult to not vote say forcing people to give up fulltime employment and go to part Time?
Single term limits for all elected offices and mandatory punishment up to and including execution for those who abuse the public's trust, with the punishment exempt from pardon.Interesting to see what you all
Would do if you had the votes
Before the Senators realized that they could be forever government employees they put in an amendment that enabled the people of their states to vote them into office instead of the Governor appointing them to office. So before the amendment people would vote for the governor who then appointed 2 new state representatives that went to Washington DC in the states interest. If the people didnt like the governor on the next election 2 new Senators were appointed. Also the states would pay their Senators not the whole Unites States. This is the big reveal on why establishment Senators love their jobs and do nothing but campaign for their next elections instead of doing work for their state...Interesting, I like the idea. Have senators earn money in the private market..I would take the first 10 amendments and keep them, everyone after that needs to go. Since our country is established, we dont need Congressmen and Senators living off the public dole.Interesting to see what you all
Would do if you had the votes
We also dont need the 14th amendment that allows any non US citizen to drop an Anchor in the US for that Anchor to be a US citizen as we no longer have any forced slave to live in the US.
No longer do we need the one that allows Congress to be above the law but most be held to the same standards as every citizen so if Congress does insider trading they end up going to Jail like Martha Stewart.
You would oppose anything that increases voter turn out just because.not everybody can do mail in ballots thank god because Democrats are ballot harvesting. But like I said who’s having a hard time voting? What’s deliver itVoting is getting easier with the growth of early voting and mail-in ballots. Still there are very long lines in some places where people must stand out in the November cold for hours just to vote. That's bullshit and it's deliberate voter suppression.I vote every year, I don’t find it hard,, does anyone else?Details. Most of the reason people do not vote is that it's often a pain in the ass. If voting was quick and easy and didn't involve a sacrifice in time or money or standing out in the cold there would be no excuse not to vote. Voting could be made to be an opt-out practice where there is no penalty at all for not voting but opting out would be every bit as difficult as voting.So what is your idea? Round everyone up at gunpoint force them into trucks and run them down to the polls?It's certainly doable to make voting mandatory. The American people would have to confront the fact that they are citizens of a nation every couple of years. Making it work is just a matter of organization, technology and a commitment to making America truly great. We deserve a voting system that befits our stature in world, not this special interest corporate crapfest we endure every two years.I don't think I would go as far as making voting mandatory but I wouldn't mind giving any person time off to vote if they wanted it. I would want voter ID also. Unless you are worried that minorities are too stupid to obtain one or continue to hold onto.Force? What would you force Americans to do if you could rewire American democracy? All I am asking is that Americans participate in their government. It's a small burden that would result in a much better run country. Voting would have to be something like a national holiday where every effort would be made to make voting easy and quick.So you want to force us to vote?Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
Maybe if they don't show up to vote don't allow them to have a job?
Or maybe remove them from the country?
You do realize that people tend to be come hard headed when forced to do things they don't want to do? They not only have a bad habit of doing a sloppy job but at times they tend to push back.
oh geez.....Pre woman voting,, did we see life long politicians? I just feel like woman are so easily brainwashed they will vote year after year for the same old people. I’m wondering when it was just tax payers voting did we see shorter terms? Any historians in here?
( and no disrespect to my conservative woman) you are a different breed. You use your brain not emotion
quality people dont want to run because of the bullshit they and their families have to put up with....it aint worth it to them because they dont need the job or the aggravation or people bringing up shit about what they did 50 years ago in the tenth grade..I think a lot of ppl are scared to run because of campaign finance laws if you’re a Democrat you can do anything you want but if a Republican gets caught up and not knowing the rules Democrats are going to put you in jail look what they did to Dinesh D’Souza,, it seems like only Republicans get in trouble for campaign finance laws.. while AOC and Omar are funding their standard of living and get away with it
thats it right there....better candidates....we have a congress with a 20% approval rating,so we may not find them there...You would oppose anything that increases voter turn out just because.not everybody can do mail in ballots thank god because Democrats are ballot harvesting. But like I said who’s having a hard time voting? What’s deliver itVoting is getting easier with the growth of early voting and mail-in ballots. Still there are very long lines in some places where people must stand out in the November cold for hours just to vote. That's bullshit and it's deliberate voter suppression.I vote every year, I don’t find it hard,, does anyone else?Details. Most of the reason people do not vote is that it's often a pain in the ass. If voting was quick and easy and didn't involve a sacrifice in time or money or standing out in the cold there would be no excuse not to vote. Voting could be made to be an opt-out practice where there is no penalty at all for not voting but opting out would be every bit as difficult as voting.So what is your idea? Round everyone up at gunpoint force them into trucks and run them down to the polls?It's certainly doable to make voting mandatory. The American people would have to confront the fact that they are citizens of a nation every couple of years. Making it work is just a matter of organization, technology and a commitment to making America truly great. We deserve a voting system that befits our stature in world, not this special interest corporate crapfest we endure every two years.I don't think I would go as far as making voting mandatory but I wouldn't mind giving any person time off to vote if they wanted it. I would want voter ID also. Unless you are worried that minorities are too stupid to obtain one or continue to hold onto.Force? What would you force Americans to do if you could rewire American democracy? All I am asking is that Americans participate in their government. It's a small burden that would result in a much better run country. Voting would have to be something like a national holiday where every effort would be made to make voting easy and quick.So you want to force us to vote?Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
Maybe if they don't show up to vote don't allow them to have a job?
Or maybe remove them from the country?
You do realize that people tend to be come hard headed when forced to do things they don't want to do? They not only have a bad habit of doing a sloppy job but at times they tend to push back.
How about better candidates all you want is ignorant voters
Better candidates would emerge from a more engaged and participatory electorate. Trouble is, what makes a good candidate seems to be a thing of partisan politics. I would prefer more populist candidates that do not just automatically give away everything to big business as you would prefer.You would oppose anything that increases voter turn out just because.not everybody can do mail in ballots thank god because Democrats are ballot harvesting. But like I said who’s having a hard time voting? What’s deliver itVoting is getting easier with the growth of early voting and mail-in ballots. Still there are very long lines in some places where people must stand out in the November cold for hours just to vote. That's bullshit and it's deliberate voter suppression.I vote every year, I don’t find it hard,, does anyone else?Details. Most of the reason people do not vote is that it's often a pain in the ass. If voting was quick and easy and didn't involve a sacrifice in time or money or standing out in the cold there would be no excuse not to vote. Voting could be made to be an opt-out practice where there is no penalty at all for not voting but opting out would be every bit as difficult as voting.So what is your idea? Round everyone up at gunpoint force them into trucks and run them down to the polls?It's certainly doable to make voting mandatory. The American people would have to confront the fact that they are citizens of a nation every couple of years. Making it work is just a matter of organization, technology and a commitment to making America truly great. We deserve a voting system that befits our stature in world, not this special interest corporate crapfest we endure every two years.I don't think I would go as far as making voting mandatory but I wouldn't mind giving any person time off to vote if they wanted it. I would want voter ID also. Unless you are worried that minorities are too stupid to obtain one or continue to hold onto.Force? What would you force Americans to do if you could rewire American democracy? All I am asking is that Americans participate in their government. It's a small burden that would result in a much better run country. Voting would have to be something like a national holiday where every effort would be made to make voting easy and quick.So you want to force us to vote?Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
Maybe if they don't show up to vote don't allow them to have a job?
Or maybe remove them from the country?
You do realize that people tend to be come hard headed when forced to do things they don't want to do? They not only have a bad habit of doing a sloppy job but at times they tend to push back.
How about better candidates all you want is ignorant voters
I was asked many times, why i wouldnt run for office.. I told them as an intelligent person, why would i want to subject myself to such bullshit by trying to work with people i so despise. I would probably kill most of the other Senators and Congressmen when they want to FORCE their Socialist ideology on the United States, that i swore an oath to defend while serving in the military.thats it right there....better candidates....we have a congress with a 20% approval rating,so we may not find them there...You would oppose anything that increases voter turn out just because.not everybody can do mail in ballots thank god because Democrats are ballot harvesting. But like I said who’s having a hard time voting? What’s deliver itVoting is getting easier with the growth of early voting and mail-in ballots. Still there are very long lines in some places where people must stand out in the November cold for hours just to vote. That's bullshit and it's deliberate voter suppression.I vote every year, I don’t find it hard,, does anyone else?Details. Most of the reason people do not vote is that it's often a pain in the ass. If voting was quick and easy and didn't involve a sacrifice in time or money or standing out in the cold there would be no excuse not to vote. Voting could be made to be an opt-out practice where there is no penalty at all for not voting but opting out would be every bit as difficult as voting.So what is your idea? Round everyone up at gunpoint force them into trucks and run them down to the polls?It's certainly doable to make voting mandatory. The American people would have to confront the fact that they are citizens of a nation every couple of years. Making it work is just a matter of organization, technology and a commitment to making America truly great. We deserve a voting system that befits our stature in world, not this special interest corporate crapfest we endure every two years.I don't think I would go as far as making voting mandatory but I wouldn't mind giving any person time off to vote if they wanted it. I would want voter ID also. Unless you are worried that minorities are too stupid to obtain one or continue to hold onto.Force? What would you force Americans to do if you could rewire American democracy? All I am asking is that Americans participate in their government. It's a small burden that would result in a much better run country. Voting would have to be something like a national holiday where every effort would be made to make voting easy and quick.So you want to force us to vote?Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
Maybe if they don't show up to vote don't allow them to have a job?
Or maybe remove them from the country?
You do realize that people tend to be come hard headed when forced to do things they don't want to do? They not only have a bad habit of doing a sloppy job but at times they tend to push back.
How about better candidates all you want is ignorant voters
Ah yes give to big business but you love it when they give a trillion dollars a year to lazy liberal fucks who smoke dope and live in their parents basement...Am i right?Better candidates would emerge from a more engaged and participatory electorate. Trouble is, what makes a good candidate seems to be a thing of partisan politics. I would prefer more populist candidates that do not just automatically give away everything to big business as you would prefer.You would oppose anything that increases voter turn out just because.not everybody can do mail in ballots thank god because Democrats are ballot harvesting. But like I said who’s having a hard time voting? What’s deliver itVoting is getting easier with the growth of early voting and mail-in ballots. Still there are very long lines in some places where people must stand out in the November cold for hours just to vote. That's bullshit and it's deliberate voter suppression.I vote every year, I don’t find it hard,, does anyone else?Details. Most of the reason people do not vote is that it's often a pain in the ass. If voting was quick and easy and didn't involve a sacrifice in time or money or standing out in the cold there would be no excuse not to vote. Voting could be made to be an opt-out practice where there is no penalty at all for not voting but opting out would be every bit as difficult as voting.So what is your idea? Round everyone up at gunpoint force them into trucks and run them down to the polls?It's certainly doable to make voting mandatory. The American people would have to confront the fact that they are citizens of a nation every couple of years. Making it work is just a matter of organization, technology and a commitment to making America truly great. We deserve a voting system that befits our stature in world, not this special interest corporate crapfest we endure every two years.I don't think I would go as far as making voting mandatory but I wouldn't mind giving any person time off to vote if they wanted it. I would want voter ID also. Unless you are worried that minorities are too stupid to obtain one or continue to hold onto.Force? What would you force Americans to do if you could rewire American democracy? All I am asking is that Americans participate in their government. It's a small burden that would result in a much better run country. Voting would have to be something like a national holiday where every effort would be made to make voting easy and quick.So you want to force us to vote?Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
Maybe if they don't show up to vote don't allow them to have a job?
Or maybe remove them from the country?
You do realize that people tend to be come hard headed when forced to do things they don't want to do? They not only have a bad habit of doing a sloppy job but at times they tend to push back.
How about better candidates all you want is ignorant voters
Just protecting my selfApology noted, next I make you begWe were talking about voting not Registering for the military learn how to readThat’s what I asked you lolHahahah hahahah how many people have been fined $250,000 for not registering to vote and then put in jail for five years?? HahahaWhat if they refuseWhat age?I’d make the national vote majority
The same age as the requirement to register for selective service.
The main change there is I would require everyone, regardless of gender, to register.
Then the punishment that exists now will suffice. If you do not register you are not eligible for federal student aid, job training, or a federal job. You can also be fine $250,000 and sent jail for up to 5 years.
Not many. The overwhelming majority register for selective service.
And I was talking about registering for selective service. If someone chooses not to register to vote, why would they be punished at all?
You used the word "refuse". Since registering to vote is not, and never has been, mandatory, I thought you meant the selective service.
Refusing to register implies they are required to do so.
I read quite well. I even read your butchered English.
You asked about the age of those allowed to vote. I answered by saying it should be the same as the selective service. And then added that the selective service should be expanded to include everyone regardless of gender. That was what I thought you were referring to.
It was a misunderstanding. Move along.
LMAO! I wouldn't beg you for water if I was on fire. I explained the misunderstanding. Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant.
But tell me again how a person has to own a gun to join the revolution? To keep peace? Why wouldn't there be peace?
Or are you just fantasizing about a violent overthrow of the gov't again?
If you think that a private company can not beat the price on anything the government does you have never paid attention to government.So you really have no idea how you want to cut it you are just parroting things. Got it. If you cut outside contractors then you have to hire for those positions or due without. Are you suggesting that the military does without a mess or laundry or that we hire cooks servers and procurement officers? That we hire laundry help? I don't think that it would save the money you think it would since private companies are usually much more cost effective then government.But what exactly do you want to cut? Bases overseas? Bases here at home? Jets, tanks? Military payroll? Maintenance on nuclear weapons?I have a question for you on number three.The proposed 28th amendment should be made a part of the US Constitution.
Namely:
1) Congress can pass no law that does not apply to them, nor can they pass any law that applies only to them.
2) Congressional pay increases (including any monetary perks) must be passed by a popular vote. They can't vote on their own raises.
3) Balance the budget. Unless we are in a declared war, the budget must be balanced every year. And in wartime, any budgetary overages would apply strictly to wartime needs.
4) Term limits for every national level elected official.
5) Enact the Fair Tax Act.
6) Corporations are not people.
7) Lobbying will be treated as bribery.
What do we cut to balance the budget?
Do we cut all welfare? Do we cut social security and Medicare?
Do we shut down all military bases out of the country thereby creating widespread unemployment here and abroad?
Our military budget is bloated. We could cut it by 1/3 and still be spending far more than any other nation.
Even if we cut the military by a third that will still only drop our defe it not balance the budget.
Cut the bloat. The military can do that. But only if they are forced. Perhaps cut Halliburton's mess halls, forced laundry, ect ect.
The military already pays cooks. They already maintain mobile kitchens. You think a private company cook works for what the soldiers are paid?
Sure they can BUT here is the catch. Winterborn was talking 1/3 reduction in military spending. Even if a private company for some fanciful reason can't do things for less then what the federal government can that is going to amount to pennies compared to 1/3 of military spending.So you really have no idea how you want to cut it you are just parroting things. Got it. If you cut outside contractors then you have to hire for those positions or due without. Are you suggesting that the military does without a mess or laundry or that we hire cooks servers and procurement officers? That we hire laundry help? I don't think that it would save the money you think it would since private companies are usually much more cost effective then government.But what exactly do you want to cut? Bases overseas? Bases here at home? Jets, tanks? Military payroll? Maintenance on nuclear weapons?I have a question for you on number three.The proposed 28th amendment should be made a part of the US Constitution.
Namely:
1) Congress can pass no law that does not apply to them, nor can they pass any law that applies only to them.
2) Congressional pay increases (including any monetary perks) must be passed by a popular vote. They can't vote on their own raises.
3) Balance the budget. Unless we are in a declared war, the budget must be balanced every year. And in wartime, any budgetary overages would apply strictly to wartime needs.
4) Term limits for every national level elected official.
5) Enact the Fair Tax Act.
6) Corporations are not people.
7) Lobbying will be treated as bribery.
What do we cut to balance the budget?
Do we cut all welfare? Do we cut social security and Medicare?
Do we shut down all military bases out of the country thereby creating widespread unemployment here and abroad?
Our military budget is bloated. We could cut it by 1/3 and still be spending far more than any other nation.
Even if we cut the military by a third that will still only drop our defe it not balance the budget.
Cut the bloat. The military can do that. But only if they are forced. Perhaps cut Halliburton's mess halls, forced laundry, ect ect.
Are you suggesting that the military does without a mess or laundry or that we hire cooks servers and procurement officers? That we hire laundry help?
I retired from the service, and during my time military personnel took care of those chores.
No reason they can't now.
You must be a land owner.Women can't vote
Only tax paying males can
Now you have gone from forcing people to vote, to making it hard for them not to, to civic duty which you are somehow trying to blame conservatives for in some imagination to have eroded.Ever heard of "civic duty"? Is the thing that built America now some sort of commie plot? This traditional American value is just about dead and conservatives killed it. The last vestige of this is jury duty. I have been summoned many times. God how people bitch about this small favor our community asks of us.So now your changing your mind from making it mandatory to making it difficult to vote or not vote? How exactly are you going to make it difficult to not vote?Details. Most of the reason people do not vote is that it's often a pain in the ass. If voting was quick and easy and didn't involve a sacrifice in time or money or standing out in the cold there would be no excuse not to vote. Voting could be made to be an opt-out practice where there is no penalty at all for not voting but opting out would be every bit as difficult as voting.So what is your idea? Round everyone up at gunpoint force them into trucks and run them down to the polls?It's certainly doable to make voting mandatory. The American people would have to confront the fact that they are citizens of a nation every couple of years. Making it work is just a matter of organization, technology and a commitment to making America truly great. We deserve a voting system that befits our stature in world, not this special interest corporate crapfest we endure every two years.I don't think I would go as far as making voting mandatory but I wouldn't mind giving any person time off to vote if they wanted it. I would want voter ID also. Unless you are worried that minorities are too stupid to obtain one or continue to hold onto.Force? What would you force Americans to do if you could rewire American democracy? All I am asking is that Americans participate in their government. It's a small burden that would result in a much better run country. Voting would have to be something like a national holiday where every effort would be made to make voting easy and quick.So you want to force us to vote?Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
Maybe if they don't show up to vote don't allow them to have a job?
Or maybe remove them from the country?
You do realize that people tend to be come hard headed when forced to do things they don't want to do? They not only have a bad habit of doing a sloppy job but at times they tend to push back.
Tax someone for not voting? Who is responsible for the paperwork and the law suits when someone gets taxed because the paperwork is wrong?
Is there another way to make it difficult to not vote say forcing people to give up fulltime employment and go to part Time?
Making educated voting necessary. You must pass a basic test to prove you at least have SOME grasp of the people and issues and ain't a total idiot.Make voting mandatory. Make tampering with the vote a crime equal to treason.
I'd give congress a two term limit. Two 4-year terms. And yes, raises and such are up for constituent vote based on satisfaction with performance, and yes, crimes, lies and such are punishable by prosecution and impeachment from office, not mere voting out.Only two. One term limits for every congress critter.
No salary unless the American people vote for one. No raises unless the American people vote for one
