If You Ever Doubted We're Heading Toward Fascism....

[Agit8r]

Before you begin, perhaps it would be helpful if you define what you mean by fascism?

In true Orwellian form, PC uses the term to mean the exact opposite of what it actually is.

Well, then....how about you provide your definition, and show why it doesn't apply to you.

I'm gonna spare you the humiliation this time, as I assume you get off on it.

You were aked for the following:
'Well, then....how about you provide your definition, and show why it doesn't apply to you.'


We have all learned that same is well beyond your ability.

You must be a Liberal, huh?

I'm not going to help you masturbate today. I'll post the links for those that are interested in substance:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

 

[Rustic]

Before you begin, perhaps it would be helpful if you define what you mean by fascism?

Not today....
But, in deference to you, I will describe the opposite.

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

In contrast to the conservative crusade to stamp out individualism.

There can be no individualism in a socialist society. Dumbass

 

[Rustic]

...today's thread will convince you.



1. An article in today's City Journal ties together several of the themes I've propounded....

a. There is hardly any real science....what is pushed as science is a political agenda...e.g., environmentalism, global warming, and Darwin's theory.

b. The controlling political party...not only historically related to both Fascism and communism, aims for the same outcomes as its predecessors: remove any dissent from the public arena.
Marginalize, demonize, and silence 'em.

c. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows. http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp

d. Antonio Gramsci, Italian Marxisttheoretician and founding member and one-time leader of theCommunist Party of Italy. Gramschi’s motto is that of liberals today: “that all life is "political."




2. "A group of prominent scientists have united for an odd quest: to reduce funding for science education. They’ve joined with environmental groups and progressive activiststo demand that hundreds of museums of science and natural history “cut all ties with the fossil fuel industry and funders of climate science obfuscation,” which means rejecting donations or investment dividends from anyone who doesn’t meet their standard of purity.

3..... began last year by demanding that the American Museum of Natural History in New York have nothing to do with the industrialist David Koch, a major benefactor and member of the museum’s board of trustees for more than two decades. There was no evidence that Koch had influenced the content of any exhibit at the museum—donors are prohibited from involvement—but the activists got their wish this year ....

.... the activists are hailing it as a victory andpointing to other museums, including the Phipps Conservatory in Pittsburgh and the California Academy of Sciences in San Francisco, that have divested themselves of fossil-fuel investments and banned donations from these companies."

Nearly 150 academics have signed on to the cause,...." Exhibiting Bias

Socialism is fascism

I guess that's why they're different words.

Socialism is the incubator for fascism dumbass

 

[NYcarbineer]

Before you begin, perhaps it would be helpful if you define what you mean by fascism?

Not today....
But, in deference to you, I will describe the opposite.

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

In contrast to the conservative crusade to stamp out individualism.

There can be no individualism in a socialist society. Dumbass

Nonsense.

 

[PoliticalChic]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Is this your first time in a PC thread? She's gone over the subject repeatedly. Spend less time defending Obama and Statism and more time actually reading the OP

Read the posts, Frank, and stop blathering. She refused to define the term. She fails.

Note to new USMB'ers. Jake is an Obama and Statist First repsonder. Check any thread critical of his Ossiah and you'll often see Jake on the first page throwing himself in front of the incoming criticism with no regard to his own credibility

Jake has posted in about 1,000 thread originated by PC and he's yet to read a single OP. All he knows it that PC brilliantly reduces Statism down to it's anti-human failing and that act sets off Jake's Statist Defense Reflex.

You forgot to mention that he is also right...

This thread is a joke... Would someone on the right actually educate themselves as some of these posts are just embarrassing...

This thread is the same as it goes always...

RW nutter posts something...

Someone normal (in fairness Moderate Right guys as well) eventually actually checks the facts and reputes the OP...

There is a usual scramble by the RW nutter to either discredit the source(but not actually the facts of what was said), cloud the issue in irrelevant crap, etc....

Eventually the normal person gets them back on point and nails them down....

Then the insults start, if you are a moderate GOP, it is RINO, misguided, fool followed by all sorts of crap, if Democrat you are call stupid, lazy, thief....

The thin is the RW nutter thinks he is winning because we got more RW nutter on this forum than in real life... Cause the deluge of insults on the normal person from the RW nutters gets hot...

Of course a lot of them like Trump because he as ignorant of the facts like they are...

" ....reputes the OP."


When does this occur?

Waiting.

 

[Rustic]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Morons on display. They don't even know what fascism is and spend all day on a political message board telling us "facts".

Define the term. Hint: it is not socialism.

Same difference dumbass

 

[Rustic]

Before you begin, perhaps it would be helpful if you define what you mean by fascism?

Not today....
But, in deference to you, I will describe the opposite.

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

In contrast to the conservative crusade to stamp out individualism.

There can be no individualism in a socialist society. Dumbass

Nonsense.

Socialism requires lemmings like yourself....

 

[Rustic]

...today's thread will convince you.



1. An article in today's City Journal ties together several of the themes I've propounded....

a. There is hardly any real science....what is pushed as science is a political agenda...e.g., environmentalism, global warming, and Darwin's theory.

b. The controlling political party...not only historically related to both Fascism and communism, aims for the same outcomes as its predecessors: remove any dissent from the public arena.
Marginalize, demonize, and silence 'em.

c. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows. http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp

d. Antonio Gramsci, Italian Marxisttheoretician and founding member and one-time leader of theCommunist Party of Italy. Gramschi’s motto is that of liberals today: “that all life is "political."




2. "A group of prominent scientists have united for an odd quest: to reduce funding for science education. They’ve joined with environmental groups and progressive activiststo demand that hundreds of museums of science and natural history “cut all ties with the fossil fuel industry and funders of climate science obfuscation,” which means rejecting donations or investment dividends from anyone who doesn’t meet their standard of purity.

3..... began last year by demanding that the American Museum of Natural History in New York have nothing to do with the industrialist David Koch, a major benefactor and member of the museum’s board of trustees for more than two decades. There was no evidence that Koch had influenced the content of any exhibit at the museum—donors are prohibited from involvement—but the activists got their wish this year ....

.... the activists are hailing it as a victory andpointing to other museums, including the Phipps Conservatory in Pittsburgh and the California Academy of Sciences in San Francisco, that have divested themselves of fossil-fuel investments and banned donations from these companies."

Nearly 150 academics have signed on to the cause,...." Exhibiting Bias

Socialism is fascism

This post ^^^ is an example of the ignorance which is the dominant characteristic of the New Right. It provides evidence that the lies and distortions which drive the plutocrats agenda works, and as President Lincoln once described:

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
​

The New Right is composed primarily of those who can be fooled all of the time!

​

Most All the ruthless dictators of history were and are socialists...

 

[Rustic]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

The assumption is you understand words.. do you need to have the word "wet" defined for you as well?

The take away from the OP and your ignorant comment is really quite simple. You really ought to read history unrevised by PoliticalChic and those she echoes.

In one respect all fascist states were under the control of a power elite, known here in America as plutocrats and those who do their bidding (for example, members of Congress whose election and reelection requires campaign donations, aka, bribes).

Despots on the far right and the far left seek total power and control over the people, they are Authoritarian, anti democratic, militaristic and unopposed to violence as a means to that end.

Therein is where socialism and fascism part company, European socialism is democratic, under civilian control and embraces the idea that diverse religious, ethnic, racial, and political groups should be allowed to thrive in a single society.

Now which defines Trump and Cruze, and which defines Sanders and Clinton?

Where socialism fails there is socialism... And socialism always fails.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

As all can see , the queen of cut and paste is at it once again.

Before you begin, perhaps it would be helpful if you define what you mean by fascism?

Now, now....don't be sloppy...being stupid is certainly bad enough!


My work is not largely 'cut and paste'.....

...I am far too astute and ethical for that to be the case..

The correct usage is 'cut, paste, and attribute.'


Unlike Liberal...I state the source of material I provide.

Always.

Of course, I can do this due to my tremendous education, and work ethic.



Now....compare that to your 'Liberal Plagiarism.' You use the talking points you glean from Obama, the NYTimes, the DNC, MSNBC, Comedy Central,.... or CAIR.....and never give the source. It is a pretense that is is aimed at implying that you Liberals came up with the material on your own.....

...but we both know that you aren't capable of that: after all, you're a government school grad.

You are the Milli Vanilli of political discourse....lip-syncing Liberal outlets.

OH but you lie yet again claiming that a majority of your drivel is not cut & paste! Here is a sample of your recycling of SHIT via C&P I posted earlier at #60 that you somehow just bypassed without comment, like you were running away from it. Now that's not what "The Political Chic" from Long Island would do is it? How about what you said above:

Unlike Liberal...I state the source of material I provide.

Always.

That's a fucking bold face LIE! You cite books, even with page numbers of the quote sometimes, then the link goes to fucking Amazon.com where it will cost a packet to get the damn book to read it, you twit! But most of all you provide DEAD LINKS or links that your quotes simply have gone walk about or self-erased somehow. Anyway, here is my earlier post for your response if you have the guts to respond;
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Hey Chica, your link doesn't work. As a matter of fact, that PDF doesn't exist on that website...one can go here and see it was never there; < Index of /pdfs >

However, I was able to locate what you wrote in several other locations. Here is one by yourself, PoliticalChick dated Dec 28, 2015;
< The Straight Line From Woodrow Wilson to Obama. >

Here are two others written by a blogger who styles herself as "The Political Chic" who even has the same avatar wearing those classy Space Panties and Cape for those long trips back to Krypton, dated Apr 29, 2014 and Sep 20, 2015 respectively;
< The Way I See It. Views Of The Political Chic: April 2014 >
< The Way I See It. Views Of The Political Chic >

So why doesn't that tripe you "quoted" with a bad link have that PDF lifted, oops...I mean listed as you purported in your post? And who is this Cynthia. Boy, she sure has a dirty little potty mouth on her, so it must not be you because your so "pure" butter wouldn't melt in your mouth. So can you explain all of these inconsistencies? And I, for one, would really like to see the ACTUAL source of that material you copied and pasted. Or did it come from Cynthia there on Long Island to begin with? Just a little bit of your credibility hangs on this, and only that small portion because that is all that remains!
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Chica, you are pathological and to be pitied, you pathetic wannabe!

Chico, your pathetic protests are nothing but pitiful drivel.....haven't you ever read a book Chiico...?

 

[Rustic]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Is this your first time in a PC thread? She's gone over the subject repeatedly. Spend less time defending Obama and Statism and more time actually reading the OP

Read the posts, Frank, and stop blathering. She refused to define the term. She fails.

Note to new USMB'ers. Jake is an Obama and Statist First repsonder. Check any thread critical of his Ossiah and you'll often see Jake on the first page throwing himself in front of the incoming criticism with no regard to his own credibility

Jake has posted in about 1,000 thread originated by PC and he's yet to read a single OP. All he knows it that PC brilliantly reduces Statism down to it's anti-human failing and that act sets off Jake's Statist Defense Reflex.

You forgot to mention that he is also right...

This thread is a joke... Would someone on the right actually educate themselves as some of these posts are just embarrassing...

This thread is the same as it goes always...

RW nutter posts something...

Someone normal (in fairness Moderate Right guys as well) eventually actually checks the facts and reputes the OP...

There is a usual scramble by the RW nutter to either discredit the source(but not actually the facts of what was said), cloud the issue in irrelevant crap, etc....

Eventually the normal person gets them back on point and nails them down....

Then the insults start, if you are a moderate GOP, it is RINO, misguided, fool followed by all sorts of crap, if Democrat you are call stupid, lazy, thief....

The thin is the RW nutter thinks he is winning because we got more RW nutter on this forum than in real life... Cause the deluge of insults on the normal person from the RW nutters gets hot...

Of course a lot of them like Trump because he as ignorant of the facts like they are...

You forgot to include left nutters. Dumbass

 

[JakeStarkey]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Morons on display. They don't even know what fascism is and spend all day on a political message board telling us "facts".

Define the term. Hint: it is not socialism.

Same difference dumbass

You are so poorly educated. But if you incline to hard right conservatism or libertarianism, that would explain it.

 

[Rustic]

Conservative definition of fascism:

"When we can't have our way."

Progressive definition of fascism... Heaven on earth

 

[Rustic]

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Only in your weak imagination. I've actually gotten tired of trouncing PC. It's become boring. There's no sport in it any more.

That's what these types do. There are a few on every board. They think if they repost the same sewage time after time, eventually everyone will stop bothering to refute its nonsense,

and then they can pretend they're winning the arguments.

if anyone here pretends to be winning the arguments here it's the likes of you guys.....

your liberal belief systems won't allow you to face the reality of what's really going on in this country....we are becoming more and more like Europe with all of its various 'isms'.....including forms of fascism and socialism which the Democrat party constantly pushes.....

ole Bernie could be labelled more of a corporatist-fascist than a 'democratic' socialist (whatever the hell that is).......

Where has Bernie ever proposed getting rid of our democratic system of elected representatives and executives?

Socialism = one party rule

 

[Rustic]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Morons on display. They don't even know what fascism is and spend all day on a political message board telling us "facts".

Define the term. Hint: it is not socialism.

Same difference dumbass

You are so poorly educated. But if you incline to hard right conservatism or libertarianism, that would explain it.

Socialism requires lemmings like yourself... The ultimate goal of socialism is communism/fascism.
Some famous Russian said that... Lol

 

[JakeStarkey]

[
Only in your weak imagination. I've actually gotten tired of trouncing PC. It's become boring. There's no sport in it any more.

That's what these types do. There are a few on every board. They think if they repost the same sewage time after time, eventually everyone will stop bothering to refute its nonsense,

and then they can pretend they're winning the arguments.

if anyone here pretends to be winning the arguments here it's the likes of you guys.....

your liberal belief systems won't allow you to face the reality of what's really going on in this country....we are becoming more and more like Europe with all of its various 'isms'.....including forms of fascism and socialism which the Democrat party constantly pushes.....

ole Bernie could be labelled more of a corporatist-fascist than a 'democratic' socialist (whatever the hell that is).......

Where has Bernie ever proposed getting rid of our democratic system of elected representatives and executives?

Socialism = one party rule

That's a new one. Go talk to some Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Brits, French, Taiwanese, etc., and get back to us.

 

[Rustic]

[
Only in your weak imagination. I've actually gotten tired of trouncing PC. It's become boring. There's no sport in it any more.

That's what these types do. There are a few on every board. They think if they repost the same sewage time after time, eventually everyone will stop bothering to refute its nonsense,

and then they can pretend they're winning the arguments.

if anyone here pretends to be winning the arguments here it's the likes of you guys.....

your liberal belief systems won't allow you to face the reality of what's really going on in this country....we are becoming more and more like Europe with all of its various 'isms'.....including forms of fascism and socialism which the Democrat party constantly pushes.....

ole Bernie could be labelled more of a corporatist-fascist than a 'democratic' socialist (whatever the hell that is).......

Where has Bernie ever proposed getting rid of our democratic system of elected representatives and executives?

Socialism = one party rule

That's a new one. Go talk to some Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Brits, French, Taiwanese, etc., and get back to us.

One party rule... The progressive party.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Morons on display. They don't even know what fascism is and spend all day on a political message board telling us "facts".

Define the term. Hint: it is not socialism.

Same difference dumbass

You are so poorly educated. But if you incline to hard right conservatism or libertarianism, that would explain it.

fascism is the control of the means of production......socialism is the ownership of the means of production.....

po-tay-to..........po-tah-to......

 

[JakeStarkey]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Morons on display. They don't even know what fascism is and spend all day on a political message board telling us "facts".

Define the term. Hint: it is not socialism.

Same difference dumbass

You are so poorly educated. But if you incline to hard right conservatism or libertarianism, that would explain it.

fascism is the control of the means of production......socialism is the ownership of the means of production.....

po-tay-to..........po-tah-to......

Not at all. Try again.

 

[Camp]

An OP that does not define terms fails from the beginning.

PC has refused to define terms. The thread is a failure.

Morons on display. They don't even know what fascism is and spend all day on a political message board telling us "facts".

Define the term. Hint: it is not socialism.

Same difference dumbass

You are so poorly educated. But if you incline to hard right conservatism or libertarianism, that would explain it.

Socialism requires lemmings like yourself... The ultimate goal of socialism is communism/fascism.
Some famous Russian said that... Lol

At this point, after all the nonsense you have promoted about both socialism and fascism, to have any credibility, you should be able to give your definitions of both, or at the very least, provide a link to an academic source that you are relying on to make such outrageous and uneducated claims. You are, after all, name calling others as being less informed and educated than yourself.