If you support Trump ending Birthright Citizenship via executive order you're a hypocrite.

[eagle1462010]

I disagree with you / your thread in THIS:

President Trump, no matter what butt-hart partisans want to believe and say, is NOT a stupid man. He railed against Obama for violating the Constitution by imposing his own 'Dreamer Edict' into law - he's not going to do the same thing now.

What he has done is to START UP A CONVERSATION about it. He is being attacked for TALKING about what Obama actually DID, something Liberals never attacked / rebuked Obama for doing.

Trump has a knack for 'blowing a dog whistle' resulting in the Democrats coming running to attack him, exposing their actual support for open borders, disdain / lack of support for existing immigration law, and proving their greater loyalty / support for illegals than for the American people they are supposed to represent.

So Trump has started up a conversation while getting Liberals to expose who they are again - knowing that polls show Democrats are on the wrong side on the Illegal Immigration issue according to the majority of Americans - in time for the mid-terms.

IMHO....

shhhhh..............

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I will say it is sad that I got more smileys than agrees on a board tilted to the right. Just further proves how fucked we are as a nation right now

 

[easyt65]

'Smiley's don't actually mean people are 'laughing at you' and / or disagree in all cases. I sometimes use the icon as a sign that I am 'amused', not disagree. Don't worry about it.....this isn't a popularity contest, and you will NEVER get some people on this board to agree with your opinion. Keep it up....

 

[Polishprince]

I'm not a lawyer by any stretch of the imagination.

However, it seems to me that we may need Legislation passed by Congress to get rid of this abuse of Birth Tourism and Anchor Babies that the founders never intended.


The Constitution clearly allows legislation, as preventing this would definitely improve the General Welfare of the United States, which would make that constitutional.

 

[Faun]

“This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

-Sen. Jacob Howard (R-Michigan), the author of the 14th amendment May 30, 1866

The only exemption are ”foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States.” i.e., foreign diplomats who are not subject to U.S. law.

 

[Claudette]

I will take any way they can use to stop it.

 

[sakinago]

Let me start off by saying I oppose Birthright Citizenship unless one parent is a US citizen but I am more opposed to Presidents acting like kings who think they can rule by an iron fist.
For YEARS we all railed against Obama's use of the executive pen and rightly so. Do not fall prey to that which you oppose simply because of a letter behind a mans name.
Today I heard Trump on the radio referring to Obama's Dream Act as the excuse for his threat to use the same method to alter the 14th amendment. An act that he Hope's the supreme court will overrule. Yet he wants you to cheer and clap at his own duplicity.

If you are a conservative ACT LIKE IT and stop looking the other way simply because you like Trump.

That is just a crock of shit: YOU, and all of your right wing jerk offs are just chompin at the bit to have Trump sign some dumbass EO to stop anchor babies.

FIRST OFF: Trump has already proven himself to be COMPLETELY IGNORANT concerning how Amendments are instituted, or changed. It is the function of The US Congress to initiate Amendments, or to alter Amendments.

Trump has demonstrated to the WORLD that he didn't even attend his 5th grade CIVICS CLASS. He was out fvcking Kathy up her poop shoot when he FAILED that class.

Yeah but go ahead and act all righteous about Trump's IGNORANCE.

POTUS Dumb Ass.

Did you have this much vitriol when Obama said he couldn’t do anything on immigration, that congress had too...and then went ahead and did it through EO anyway?

Why do I bother with people like you? You’re just a sad person that tries to make up for their lack of character and honesty by being the loudest to shout at what your in group is telling you is the enemy. You’re not capable of an honest conversation, certainly not yet. The OP is, which is why the OP addressed his own side to not be hypocritical. By you’re ridiculous reaction to this, it’s clear the OP held up a mirror showing you your own flaws, and you decided to punch that mirror. Stop being pathetic or exit this conversation.

Please inform us what O did with an EO AFA immigration.

Did he alter any Amendments?

In Obama’s own words.
Obama In March 2011: Can't Stop Deportations Through Executive Order

His EO on the other hand issued work permits to those he claimed “couldn’t be processed by ICE” due to lack of resources. Instead of enforcing laws already on the book, and diverting resources to help in that cause, he diverted resources into issuing permits to illegals. That act of issuing permits to illegals was a violation of law already on the books, even though the argument was the executive had the power of issuing permits. So a violation of the separation of powers.

The premise that denying birthright citizenship to illegals is “re-writing” the 14th amendment is incorrect. The 14th amendment specifically has a clause inserted for the qualification for ju soli (birthright citizenship), and that clause is those under US jurisdiction qualify. It also specifically excludes the likes of children of foreign diplomats, and Indians not taxed. The case I cited earlier that dives into this is the Wong Kim Ark case, in which his parents were here legally, and he was granted ju soli. There’s another I saw, I forgot the name and will have to look up, if an Indian nation native that wanted to leave the tribe and claimed US citizenship since he was born here. He was denied. So the question is do illegal immigrants fall under our jurisdiction. Very strong case to be made that no they do not. Not only is there a strong case but it is actually how our current system is operated, with separate immigration courts created to bypass claims of human rights violations of non-citizens that operate with different rules not 100% constitutional.

 

[Polishprince]

“This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

-Sen. Jacob Howard (R-Michigan), the author of the 14th amendment May 30, 1866

The only exemption are ”foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States.” i.e., foreign diplomats who are not subject to U.S. law.

You don't think that's a problem? Or do you think Birth Tourism is good for the country?

 

[Mr.Blonde]

“This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

-Sen. Jacob Howard (R-Michigan), the author of the 14th amendment May 30, 1866

The only exemption are ”foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States.” i.e., foreign diplomats who are not subject to U.S. law.

And he specifically stated foreigners, aliens and families of ambassadors. If he meant just foreign diplomats then he would have said just foreign diplomats.

 

[BluesLegend]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Illegals don't reside in a state, certainly not legally their residence is their home country. This is how we will end anchor babies.

Holyfuckingshit!

The level of ignorance from you rightards is infinite.

Dumbfuck, that’s not speaking to where the parents must be residents. It’s establishing the new born baby, who is here legally, is a dual citizen of both the country and the state.

LOL no dummy the newborn is not a resident and neither is the illegal parent. An anchor baby is born on a plane at 30,000 feet over the US, is that anchor baby a US citizen? The SCOTUS will rule no. An anchor baby is born 1 mile off shore in US waters, is the anchor baby a US citizen? The SCOTUS will rule no. And we'll keep walking this argument in, an illegal steps 2 feet into the US illegally and has an anchor baby, is the anchor baby a US citizen? Nope. Your worst nightmare is for the SCOTUS to clarify the 14th amendment, no more anchor babies.

 

[dblack]

I'm not a lawyer by any stretch of the imagination.

However, it seems to me that we may need Legislation passed by Congress to get rid of this abuse of Birth Tourism and Anchor Babies that the founders never intended.


The Constitution clearly allows legislation, as preventing this would definitely improve the General Welfare of the United States, which would make that constitutional.

I assume you're kidding, but this is exactly why the liberal interpretation of the GW clause is so dangerous. It can be used to justify anything.

 

[Faun]

“This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

-Sen. Jacob Howard (R-Michigan), the author of the 14th amendment May 30, 1866

The only exemption are ”foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States.” i.e., foreign diplomats who are not subject to U.S. law.

You don't think that's a problem? Or do you think Birth Tourism is good for the country?

I don’t see that is either good or bad. What negative do you see?

 

[Mr.Blonde]

“This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

-Sen. Jacob Howard (R-Michigan), the author of the 14th amendment May 30, 1866

The only exemption are ”foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States.” i.e., foreign diplomats who are not subject to U.S. law.

You don't think that's a problem? Or do you think Birth Tourism is good for the country?

I don’t see that is either good or bad. What negative do you see?

It is a good thing to hand out citizenship to people into the country who may not be loyal to the country?

 

[Siete]

Trump is the son, and grandson, of immigrants: German on his father’s side, and Scottish on his mother’s. None of his grandparents, and only one of his parents, was born in the United States or spoke English as their mother tongue. (His mother’s parents, from the remote Scottish Outer Hebrides, lived in a majority Gaelic-speaking community.)


I support sending Trump back to Scotland

 

[Faun]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Illegals don't reside in a state, certainly not legally their residence is their home country. This is how we will end anchor babies.

Holyfuckingshit!

The level of ignorance from you rightards is infinite.

Dumbfuck, that’s not speaking to where the parents must be residents. It’s establishing the new born baby, who is here legally, is a dual citizen of both the country and the state.

LOL no dummy the newborn is not a resident and neither is the illegal parent. An anchor baby is born on a plane at 30,000 feet over the US, is that anchor baby a US citizen? The SCOTUS will rule no. An anchor baby is born 1 mile off shore in US waters, is the anchor baby a US citizen? The SCOTUS will rule no. And we'll keep walking this argument in, an illegal steps 2 feet into the US illegally and has an anchor baby, is the anchor baby a US citizen? Nope. Your worst nightmare is for the SCOTUS to clarify the 14th amendment, no more anchor babies.

LOL

Dumbfuck, the SCOTUS has already ruled. Children born in the jurisdiction of the U.S., even to illegal aliens, are U.S. citizens. And moron, if a baby legally born in the US.S. isn’t a resident, then no baby is, meaning according to your nuttiness, no one is born a U.S. citizen.

 

[Faun]

“This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

-Sen. Jacob Howard (R-Michigan), the author of the 14th amendment May 30, 1866

The only exemption are ”foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States.” i.e., foreign diplomats who are not subject to U.S. law.

You don't think that's a problem? Or do you think Birth Tourism is good for the country?

I don’t see that is either good or bad. What negative do you see?

It is a good thing to hand out citizenship to people into the country who may not be loyal to the country?

Why would a U.S. citizen not be loyal? Not speaking of people intentionally traitorous.

Such people would likely have dual citizenship and be loyal to both.

 

[Polishprince]

Trump is the son, and grandson, of immigrants: German on his father’s side, and Scottish on his mother’s. None of his grandparents, and only one of his parents, was born in the United States or spoke English as their mother tongue. (His mother’s parents, from the remote Scottish Outer Hebrides, lived in a majority Gaelic-speaking community.)


I support sending Trump back to Scotland

President Trump, however, has achieved outstanding successes in the field of excellence for 40 years. Indeed, his name alone was synonymous with the idea of greatness long before he became President.

Probably the greatest Scottish industrialist immigrant since Andrew Carnegie- who also put his name on lots of stuff.

Immigration is fine, what people are against are unvetted illegals pouring into the country when we don't need their services.

 

[Votto]

Let me start off by saying I oppose Birthright Citizenship unless one parent is a US citizen but I am more opposed to Presidents acting like kings who think they can rule by an iron fist.
For YEARS we all railed against Obama's use of the executive pen and rightly so. Do not fall prey to that which you oppose simply because of a letter behind a mans name.
Today I heard Trump on the radio referring to Obama's Dream Act as the excuse for his threat to use the same method to alter the 14th amendment. An act that he Hope's the supreme court will overrule. Yet he wants you to cheer and clap at his own duplicity.

If you are a conservative ACT LIKE IT and stop looking the other way simply because you like Trump.

I agree, but I don't think he was serious. He was just letting the media scream the issue to the masses to get the ball rolling.

He is a master at using them like that.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If being conservative means looking the other way while millions of mexicans invade the nation then count me out of your gay little club.

Trump's caravan bogeyman is a midterm red herring hoax to distract from real issues like healthcare.

How the FUCK are we going to have a functional socialist utopia when we keep letting in millions of lazy foreigners who leech off the system?

Funny. They built this country - after whitey stole it from Native Americans.

Natives existed here for thousands of years before the white man came along and accidentally exterminated them with smallpox. In all that time they never managed to invent the fucking wheel much less create a nation so I don't know what you're on about.

Look where Mexico City used to be. You don't call the Aztecs a Nation? Or the Mayans?

 

[BluesLegend]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Illegals don't reside in a state, certainly not legally their residence is their home country. This is how we will end anchor babies.

Holyfuckingshit!

The level of ignorance from you rightards is infinite.

Dumbfuck, that’s not speaking to where the parents must be residents. It’s establishing the new born baby, who is here legally, is a dual citizen of both the country and the state.

LOL no dummy the newborn is not a resident and neither is the illegal parent. An anchor baby is born on a plane at 30,000 feet over the US, is that anchor baby a US citizen? The SCOTUS will rule no. An anchor baby is born 1 mile off shore in US waters, is the anchor baby a US citizen? The SCOTUS will rule no. And we'll keep walking this argument in, an illegal steps 2 feet into the US illegally and has an anchor baby, is the anchor baby a US citizen? Nope. Your worst nightmare is for the SCOTUS to clarify the 14th amendment, no more anchor babies.

LOL

Dumbfuck, the SCOTUS has already ruled. Children born in the jurisdiction of the U.S., even to illegal aliens, are U.S. citizens. And moron, if a baby legally born in the US.S. isn’t a resident, then no baby is, meaning according to your nuttiness, no one is born a U.S. citizen.

The Trump SCOTUS will abolish anchor babies, deal with it snowflake.