If you're Episcopalian, the founder of your Church was an adulterer who killed two of his wives

[JakeStarkey]

There's no bullshit in the OP, everything I've said about King Henry VIII is historical truth that no serious scholar would deny. Why are you lying about what I said?

Disagreed. Correct about Henry the VIII, wrong about your OP and Episcopalians. Wanna try again or do you want to blame someone else for your hate and fuck ups like you did earlier?

The Episcopalian Church is the American equivalent of the Church of England, founded by King Henry VIII. Do you deny this basic truth?

The Episcopal Church actually derives from the episcopal authority of the Church of Scotland. The English bishops would not ordain American bishops.

 

[Divine Wind]

Not true at all. The RC murdered more people in history than anyone else.

How many did the atheists Stalin and Mao murder?

Time until you deny they were atheists. 10...9...8.....

One was an orthodox seminarian and the other was RC. What's your point?

Both were atheists regardless of previous training. Both tried to stamp out religion and persecuted all who followed religion including mass executions.

 

[Divine Wind]

So then he killed, estimated, 45 million to 135 million. Neither Hitler nor Stalin nor Mao could match that.

Good point about numbers at the time, though. We have to go per capita to get a better accuracy for the killers.

Is that an opinion or do you have link like I provided? TIA

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not true at all. The RC murdered more people in history than anyone else.

How many did the atheists Stalin and Mao murder?

Time until you deny they were atheists. 10...9...8.....

One was an orthodox seminarian and the other was RC. What's your point?

Both were atheists regardless of previous training. Both tried to stamp out religion and persecuted all who followed religion including mass executions.

You can argue that but you can't prove it. I wonder how many folks Christianity has killed in the last two millennia.

 

[Moonglow]

Genghis Khan was into tengrism, but his dynasty killed the most...

Not as many as Stalin and Mao.

He made them look like amateurs...

Genghis Khan? He conquered a lot of territory, but the numbers of people killed are vastly different due to population density and total differences.

The total global population in 1200AD was, at most, 450 million. In 1940, 2.3 Billion.

Population Estimates | Ecology Global Network

I also included his dynasty....Having the largest contiguous empire in the world makes for a hefty death toll...They slaughtered entire towns for resisting in an empire that stretched over 3 continents...

 

[Vastator]

It can be better summed up by asking, how many have died for/by the ideologies of others. Y'all are trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. Amusing; however futile it may be...

 

[Moonglow]

So then he killed, estimated, 45 million to 135 million. Neither Hitler nor Stalin nor Mao could match that.

Good point about numbers at the time, though. We have to go per capita to get a better accuracy for the killers.

Is that an opinion or do you have link like I provided? TIA

The death and destruction during the 13th century Mongol conquests have been widely noted in both the scholarly literature and popular memory. It has been calculated that approximately 5% of the world's population were killed during Turco-Mongol invasions or in their immediate aftermath. If these calculations are accurate, this would make the events the hitherto deadliest acts of mass killings in human history.
Destruction under the Mongol Empire - Wikipedia

 

[Divine Wind]

You can argue that but you can't prove it. I wonder how many folks Christianity has killed in the last two millennia.

Prove that they wanted to stamp out religion? That's part of the foundation of Marxism/Communism/Socialism

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". -- Karl Marx

USSR anti-religious campaign (1928–41) - Wikipedia
The USSR anti-religious campaign of 1928–1941 was a new phase of anti-religious persecution in the Soviet Union following the anti-religious campaign of 1921–1928. The campaign began in 1929, with the drafting of new legislation that severely prohibited religious activities and called for a heightened attack on religion in order to further disseminate atheism. This had been preceded in 1928 at the fifteenth party congress, where Joseph Stalin criticized the party for failure to produce more active and persuasive anti-religious propaganda.

The War on Religion | Victims of Communism
“Religion is poison,” as Mao Tse-Tung was said to have stated. Wherever they went, from East to West, from Africa to Asia, from Phnom Penh to St. Petersburg, communists pursued an all-out assault on religion. Communists quibbled over the details of how to implement Marx’s vision, but they were unanimous in one thing: religion was the enemy, a rival to Marxist mind control, and it had to be vanquished regardless of costs and difficulties.


Now, all that said, I think this comment is the truest:
Hitler, Stalin, Mao = Atheist mass murderers? - Skeptical Science
So where does all this lead us? its simple really, Atheism doesn’t kill people, Fanaticism kills people, be that religious or political.

Unfortunately, the link goes on to blame religion for "some truly hideous crimes", which is atheist fanaticism, not a true recognition that it's people who commit murders and hideous acts, not ideas, books, buildings or institutions.

 

[Blackrook]

My soul is dark because of all the bad things people have done to me over the years.

One time, I forgave everyone who ever hurt me, even the bullies in school who beat me up when I was a little kid.

Have you ever forgiven anyone?

Dude, that was a bullshit excuse by the first 6 year old who said "Mommie, he made me do it!!!"

I'm not telling you an excuse, I'm telling you the truth.

I believe you are telling the truth. That has no bearing on the fact you are acting like a 6 year old blaming others for your own behavior. You're certainly not a man. A man knows how to think their own thoughts and accept responsibility for their own actions. A child blames others for their inadequacies.

Thanks for that insight. Maybe you should examine the dark state of your own soul before worrying about mine.

 

[Divine Wind]

So then he killed, estimated, 45 million to 135 million. Neither Hitler nor Stalin nor Mao could match that.

Good point about numbers at the time, though. We have to go per capita to get a better accuracy for the killers.

Is that an opinion or do you have link like I provided? TIA

The death and destruction during the 13th century Mongol conquests have been widely noted in both the scholarly literature and popular memory. It has been calculated that approximately 5% of the world's population were killed during Turco-Mongol invasions or in their immediate aftermath. If these calculations are accurate, this would make the events the hitherto deadliest acts of mass killings in human history.
Destruction under the Mongol Empire - Wikipedia

5% is a healthy percentage, so if we want to talk about rates, fine, but the discussion was numbers. 5% of 450M is 22.5M. No small number but certainly nothing compared to Stalin or Mao much less both of them as I posted. For the sake of accuracy, let's remember these numbers are not strictly all murder. Like the 700,000 who died in the Civil War, most probably died of starvation and disease, a terrible consequence of war.

 

[Divine Wind]

Thanks for that insight. Maybe you should examine the dark state of your own soul before worrying about mine.

I have and do so daily. Unlike you I don't blame others for my failures, faults and fuck ups. Try to man up, Blackie. Not doing so only makes you look like a spineless fool.

 

[Blackrook]

Thanks for that insight. Maybe you should examine the dark state of your own soul before worrying about mine.

I have. Unlike you I don't blame others for my failures, faults and fuck ups. Try to man up, Blackie. Not doing so only makes you look like a spineless fool.

You are a very hateful person, and have no right to judge anyone.

 

[jillian]

King Henry VIII started the Church of England so he could give himself a divorce from Queen Catherine, then he went on to kill two of his wives and divorce another.

Not a good start for a Church is it?

luckily no one cares what you think.

and episcopalians are better people than you are.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, I don't think they were atheists, but I do agree with the Fanaticism statement, dw.

The Khan was alledged to have killed 10 to 30% of the world's population, so 45 to 135 million is a lot of people in relation to world population.

 

[jillian]

Thanks for that insight. Maybe you should examine the dark state of your own soul before worrying about mine.

I have. Unlike you I don't blame others for my failures, faults and fuck ups. Try to man up, Blackie. Not doing so only makes you look like a spineless fool.

You are a very hateful person, and have no right to judge anyone.

pot meet kettle

 

[Vastator]

Thanks for that insight. Maybe you should examine the dark state of your own soul before worrying about mine.

I have. Unlike you I don't blame others for my failures, faults and fuck ups. Try to man up, Blackie. Not doing so only makes you look like a spineless fool.

You are a very hateful person, and have no right to judge anyone.

Everyone has the right to judge others.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I have known some down right mean spiritied Episcopos, generally the ones who drink too much.

 

[Blackrook]

All I said was that King Henry VIII, the founder of English Protestantism, was a bad man, and all of this hate was directed at me.

I'm really astounded at all this hate, and most of it came from non-believers who don't even have a dog in this fight because they aren't Protestants.

I will enjoy your hatred, because it comes from you. You are very bad people, you support abortion, which is the murder of innocent little children.

Any time you try to convince me you are right and I am wrong, I will remember you are the baby killers.

 

[Divine Wind]

You are a very hateful person, and have no right to judge anyone.

Disagreed on hate. I do not hate anyone, even the most heinous murderer. In some respects I see us all as forever linked in our humanity no matter how good or how bad. Sure, I fuck up sometimes, lose my temper, but I also do my best to rectify those failures by apologizing and admitting error.

As for judging, ultimately we're all judged. The worst judge? Ourselves. People with big egos judge one way, people with fragile egos judge themselves another way. While many people act tough including a lot of braggadocio bullshit, my experience is that most of them are overcompensating for a lack of self-worth. Judged by themselves, of course.

You? You constantly spread hate against others in one form or another. This is a curious thing for me since I've had a strong interest for decades in figuring out what makes people tick. It's all part of a bigger picture in attempting to understand my fellow mankind. After all, we're not mind readers, eh?

 

[Divine Wind]

I have known some down right mean spiritied Episcopos, generally the ones who drink too much.

The one Professor I loved and learned the most from was an atheist who drank waaaay too much (usually Wild Turkey shots) and smoked unfiltered Camels. I loved this guy, but he was very self-destructive. He helped me understand several things including 1) we're all human, 2) you can learn from fucked up people and 3) there are a lot of things we don't know.