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Trump has referenced MS-13 many times. They are a vilent gang that needs to taken down. But bringing the southern border as a way to deal with the gang takes away more effective ways to take the gang out. MS-13 thinks Trump is an asset to them.MS-13 coming through the southern border is greatly exagerated by Trump and his minions eat up like all of his other lies.Your side is telling me that hordes of dangerous rapers and killers are storming the border. This is not true now, nor was it true in October of 2018.That's not a rumor. It's a fact.
Hungarian Border Fence So Effective Illegal Immigrants Are Now At Pre Migrant-Crisis Levels
CRISIS IN COMMUNICATION:
When one side gathers facts around which to determine reality while the other side makes up facts to fit a preconceived reality, the one side will never get through to the other, because while the one side is arguing how things really are, all the other side cares about is how they wish things to be.
It's hard to take your side seriously when you scream and cry about such bullshit. And it makes you look like cowards.
MS-13, for one small specific example, is an extremely murderous gang, composed nearly completely of illegal aliens.
MS-13 started in LA.
MS-13 in El savador is the reason many El Savadorians are fleeing into the USA because they fear for their lives.
MS-13 and the violence driving migration from Central America
I think I've heard Trump reference MS-13, ONCE.
Your spin is noted and dismissed.
How many murders are enough to matter to you?
Trump sup[porters hire illegals to save money and increase profits. Trump's businesses have done it for years and even had illegals working while Trump was President.conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.It is pathetic the way that the stupid Moon Bats think of every reason possible not to protect the sovereign of th US. That is as anti American as it gets.
They want the poverty filth to flood into the US to change the voting demographics so that the Democrats win to turn this country into a Socialist shithole.
Shame!
They can't vote but they can and do fill jobs. That is why they come. But you know that.
Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
...and Democrats import Illegals to do the job that real American think is repulsive - vote for Democrats.
Red Herring. You fail.They did not all come here in 2018. Don't be obtuse.Your one small, specific example does not equal 'hordes' of Meemaw murderer/rapers storming the border.I gave one small, specific example, that is responsible for thousands of murders. You did not address it. You fail.
fyi - many MS 13 gang members are born in the United States. I live on the border and I've never seen one or been attacked by one.
8 to 10 thousand members living in the united states. Sounds like a horde to me.
"MS-13 is often public in its violence. Infanticide and femicide are common, with El Salvador hosting the third-highest femicide rate in the world. In 2016, one in 5,000 Salvadoran women were killed. Legal impunity is a key factor. In femicide cases, only 5% result in convictions.[17] Violent retributions target both enemy gangs as well as their families, friends, and neighbors. Entire families will be wiped out in a single attack, regardless of age. Buses full of passengers from the wrong parts of town will be burned in broad daylight, passengers still aboard.[18] Police officers, government officials, and community organizations are also frequent targets. Attacks like these have led the Supreme Court of El Salvador to authorize the classification of gangs as terrorist organizations"
They have been active for nearly 40 years.
What an important distinction. I'm sure that is important to their dead mutilated child and women victims.
Trump is my leader, there is nothing I will not do for him, Trump defines my world, Trump tells me what to think so I do not have to think, I am a brainless minion and loyal servant to the almighty Trump.Trump sup[porters hire illegals to save money and increase profits. Trump's businesses have done it for years and even had illegals working while Trump was President.conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.They can't vote but they can and do fill jobs. That is why they come. But you know that.
Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
...and Democrats import Illegals to do the job that real American think is repulsive - vote for Democrats.
The Democrat filth imports foreign Illegals to influence elections, undermining our Republic. Shame!
Trump has referenced MS-13 many times. They are a vilent gang that needs to taken down. But bringing the southern border as a way to deal with the gang takes away more effective ways to take the gang out. MS-13 thinks Trump is an asset to them.MS-13 coming through the southern border is greatly exagerated by Trump and his minions eat up like all of his other lies.Your side is telling me that hordes of dangerous rapers and killers are storming the border. This is not true now, nor was it true in October of 2018.CRISIS IN COMMUNICATION:
When one side gathers facts around which to determine reality while the other side makes up facts to fit a preconceived reality, the one side will never get through to the other, because while the one side is arguing how things really are, all the other side cares about is how they wish things to be.
It's hard to take your side seriously when you scream and cry about such bullshit. And it makes you look like cowards.
MS-13, for one small specific example, is an extremely murderous gang, composed nearly completely of illegal aliens.
MS-13 started in LA.
MS-13 in El savador is the reason many El Savadorians are fleeing into the USA because they fear for their lives.
MS-13 and the violence driving migration from Central America
I think I've heard Trump reference MS-13, ONCE.
Your spin is noted and dismissed.
How many murders are enough to matter to you?
MS-13 Members Say Trump’s Immigration Policy Helps Gangs
Anyone can get a cutting torch. What is your point.Still no pictures huh. Gee, if it were actually happening you would think some would have surfaced by now.
Looks like another leftist lie.
Pictures have been presented but you scream "Fake News" when they are presented. A clip where Rump is admitting to it but is playing id down with his 2nd grade engineering also has been shown in here. The only fake news here is YOU.
The pictures that have been presented were test cuts made during testing, and those were accomplished with cutting torches.
This has already been proven dude.
eastcorner is doing nothing but a "Hey, look over there" once again. He's picking nits hoping we won't see just how vulnerable the wall without the other features are. The wall, by itself failed the Chinese in the 12th through 16th century for the same reasons.
conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.First off you can't build it along the entire border and no it wouldn't.
It is pathetic the way that the stupid Moon Bats think of every reason possible not to protect the sovereign of th US. That is as anti American as it gets.
They want the poverty filth to flood into the US to change the voting demographics so that the Democrats win to turn this country into a Socialist shithole.
Shame!
They can't vote but they can and do fill jobs. That is why they come. But you know that.
Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
Not sure why you think that it is only, or even primarily conservative business owners.
My point stands. They take jobs. Despite the lies of the liberals.
------------------------------------------- And that is true if they can save a buck or 2 on grasscutting or make some monet on rental property . I think its funny as the so called 'gringos' deserve whatever they get Elmer .Trump sup[porters hire illegals to save money and increase profits. Trump's businesses have done it for years and even had illegals working while Trump was President.conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.It is pathetic the way that the stupid Moon Bats think of every reason possible not to protect the sovereign of th US. That is as anti American as it gets.
They want the poverty filth to flood into the US to change the voting demographics so that the Democrats win to turn this country into a Socialist shithole.
Shame!
They can't vote but they can and do fill jobs. That is why they come. But you know that.
Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
...and Democrats import Illegals to do the job that real American think is repulsive - vote for Democrats.
conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.It is pathetic the way that the stupid Moon Bats think of every reason possible not to protect the sovereign of th US. That is as anti American as it gets.
They want the poverty filth to flood into the US to change the voting demographics so that the Democrats win to turn this country into a Socialist shithole.
Shame!
They can't vote but they can and do fill jobs. That is why they come. But you know that.
Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
Not sure why you think that it is only, or even primarily conservative business owners.
My point stands. They take jobs. Despite the lies of the liberals.
It doesn't really matter the politics of the business. They come for jobs. We aren't going to do anything about that so we can accept that and go from there or pretend.
I am against open borders but a plan that is put together with critical thinking and consideration of the many different people who are trying to enter our country.Trump sup[porters hire illegals to save money and increase profits. Trump's businesses have done it for years and even had illegals working while Trump was President.conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.They can't vote but they can and do fill jobs. That is why they come. But you know that.
Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
...and Democrats import Illegals to do the job that real American think is repulsive - vote for Democrats.
Then since you are afflicted with TDS you should be against open borders to deny Trump his cheap labor. Don't tell any of your Moon Bat buddies that you oppose open borders because they will call you a racist.
I am against open borders but a plan that is put together with critical thinking and consideration of the many different people who are trying to enter our country.Trump sup[porters hire illegals to save money and increase profits. Trump's businesses have done it for years and even had illegals working while Trump was President.conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
...and Democrats import Illegals to do the job that real American think is repulsive - vote for Democrats.
Then since you are afflicted with TDS you should be against open borders to deny Trump his cheap labor. Don't tell any of your Moon Bat buddies that you oppose open borders because they will call you a racist.
Not a plan based on stereotyping immigrants and based on hate because of the false claim that unemployed white males will have high paying jobs if we eliminate illegal work force.
The unemployed white males will be mowing lawns, working in slaughter houses, picking fruit, working in fields if illegals are stopped, but they will not do it.
Go after those who hire them.
conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.They can't vote but they can and do fill jobs. That is why they come. But you know that.
Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
Not sure why you think that it is only, or even primarily conservative business owners.
My point stands. They take jobs. Despite the lies of the liberals.
It doesn't really matter the politics of the business. They come for jobs. We aren't going to do anything about that so we can accept that and go from there or pretend.
I'm not the one that brought it up.
And we are doing something about it. We are deporting them, and making it harder for them to come back.
And should make it EVEN HARDER.
BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.
conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.Except, sometimes, liberals like to deny that they take jobs.
Not sure why you think that it is only, or even primarily conservative business owners.
My point stands. They take jobs. Despite the lies of the liberals.
It doesn't really matter the politics of the business. They come for jobs. We aren't going to do anything about that so we can accept that and go from there or pretend.
I'm not the one that brought it up.
And we are doing something about it. We are deporting them, and making it harder for them to come back.
We have been deporting them for decades. They just turn around and come back because their jobs are waiting on them. Deporting X thousands out of millions is going to get you ahead in how many decades?
And should make it EVEN HARDER.
BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.
Not going to happen and not the answer.
who didn't see what was coming when these aliens . 'mexicans' and 'otm' were allowed to open bank accounts 30 some years ago . And then the ability to get drivers licences and Gov issued 'ID' .
conservative business owners look to hire illegals to save money and increase profits.
Not sure why you think that it is only, or even primarily conservative business owners.
My point stands. They take jobs. Despite the lies of the liberals.
It doesn't really matter the politics of the business. They come for jobs. We aren't going to do anything about that so we can accept that and go from there or pretend.
I'm not the one that brought it up.
And we are doing something about it. We are deporting them, and making it harder for them to come back.
We have been deporting them for decades. They just turn around and come back because their jobs are waiting on them. Deporting X thousands out of millions is going to get you ahead in how many decades?
And should make it EVEN HARDER.
BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.
Not going to happen and not the answer.
Sure it is. The answer. It might not be done. We might not have the political will.
But it would obviously be a big part of any answer.
who didn't see what was coming when these aliens . 'mexicans' and 'otm' were allowed to open bank accounts 30 some years ago . And then the ability to get drivers licences and Gov issued 'ID' .
Why don't you want to make sure the local employee knows our rules of the road? You would prefer they simply continue to drive to work with no education of our laws?
Not sure why you think that it is only, or even primarily conservative business owners.
My point stands. They take jobs. Despite the lies of the liberals.
It doesn't really matter the politics of the business. They come for jobs. We aren't going to do anything about that so we can accept that and go from there or pretend.
I'm not the one that brought it up.
And we are doing something about it. We are deporting them, and making it harder for them to come back.
We have been deporting them for decades. They just turn around and come back because their jobs are waiting on them. Deporting X thousands out of millions is going to get you ahead in how many decades?
And should make it EVEN HARDER.
BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.
Not going to happen and not the answer.
Sure it is. The answer. It might not be done. We might not have the political will.
But it would obviously be a big part of any answer.
As long as the jobs are here, they will continue to come. In numbers higher than can be deported.
Oh puhleeze. Do you actually believe they can launch their boats one mile south of the border and then land one mile up the beach from the border? The border patrol has men stationed for at least the first 100 miles to watch the beach, and the coast guard is swarming all over the area. They will have to travel hundreds of miles by sea to get around that.How many such boats do you imagine there are in Mexico? People who own boats capable of such a trip are comparatively wealthy. Why would they go? Why aren't they doing it now?What "resort beach areas" are there on our Southern border?Sure you can. I have never seen any part of the border in photos where you couldn't build the wall. The examples of Israel and Hungary show it would.
LOL, yeah the resort beach areas are going to just give up expensive beach property and allow a wall. Nobody is going to have a problem with a wall blocking their views either. LOL. Israel is not largely surrounded by water.
It would be a hundred times easier to take a boat from anywhere in Mexico to anywhere in the U.S. than hiking across the desert. People have been doing it from Cuba for years.
Only a handful of people from Cuba do it, and a lot of them die in the process. Do you recall what happened to the people who crossed with Elian Gonzalas?
It doesn't take an expensive boat. The cartels can buy them by the truck load at that.
