Illinois Firearm Identification card ruled unConstitutional in state court....yes, this is correct.

[Daryl Hunt]

Your paranoia is not sufficient grounds to deny normal citizens the means to defend themselves. Face reality, there are too many guns in the wild for you to eliminate them from private hands. In fact, you probably are in close proximity to guns every day, and not one of them so much as tries to hustle you, much less kill you.

1) we outlaw guns.
2) We beef up the ATF and pull Waco operations on the nuts who hold out.

Problem fucking solved.

What about the roving gangs of feral guns you fear so much?

Most of those guns are purchased in states that it's legal to make a private purchase without a background check and they are transported into the Feral Gang Areas. You want crime stopped, institute universal background checks and over 60% of those guns will disappear when you aggressively enforce the background checks. Joe-Bob will think twice about selling his squirrel gun to Anna-May without a background check if he knows that he might lose his firearms rights doing it since the background check is so simple. Then again, if Joe-Bob provides Anna-May with the Gun and she does something nutzoid with it, hold him with the same responsibility you are going to with Anna-May. If a person decides to open his midnight gun sales in the Denny's and sells to anyone, it won't be long before Johnny Law will make a purchase and Joe-Bob is sent up for a very, very long time. Enforce the Background Checks is pretty simple and it won't stop honest Jim-Bob from buying his guns and ammo. But it will get Joe-Bob and Anna-May off the street.

Lol
Na, not really

You don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground....

What's the matter, you can't respond to what I typed because it's true? Does it destroy every misconception you keep shoveling out expecting others to by into? My ass supports our state gun regulations 100%. And to make a point, the only difference between SD and CO is that private sales here also have to go through a background check. Other than that, both states have exactly the same laws. Funny, my ass is doing just fine and we don't need any more gun laws. Maybe we have fewer fruitcakes like you and don't feel the need for any more.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

 

[hadit]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

You're sure? Sounds like you really don't know, but imagine it to be true.

 

[2aguy]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

Moron, if someone is willing to sell a gun at a Dennies no questions asked, they will sell guns to criminals...you doofus....so no background check will be done in at any time with that seller.....

And the police already deal with people who knowingly sell guns to criminals...they use snitches who tell them who the guy is, and they set up a sting...just as they do for illegal guns.....

 

[2aguy]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

No, moron......the Parkland shooter was visited over 30 times by police.....they failed, not the other owners of 600 million guns....he was recomended for commitment...he wasn't....that was the failure of the school and the police....your Gods......

Those guns are not military grade, you doofus......but good for you for lying to support your cause.

And your God, obama, failed...it was his policy, the Promise Program, the kept the various felonies committed by the Parkland shooter from actually being enforced...the democrats in charge down there wanted to keep crime down, so they simply didn't report felonies...had they done this for the Parkland shooter, he wouldn't have been able to buy those guns....you doofus.

 

[2aguy]

Your paranoia is not sufficient grounds to deny normal citizens the means to defend themselves. Face reality, there are too many guns in the wild for you to eliminate them from private hands. In fact, you probably are in close proximity to guns every day, and not one of them so much as tries to hustle you, much less kill you.

1) we outlaw guns.
2) We beef up the ATF and pull Waco operations on the nuts who hold out.

Problem fucking solved.

What about the roving gangs of feral guns you fear so much?

Most of those guns are purchased in states that it's legal to make a private purchase without a background check and they are transported into the Feral Gang Areas. You want crime stopped, institute universal background checks and over 60% of those guns will disappear when you aggressively enforce the background checks. Joe-Bob will think twice about selling his squirrel gun to Anna-May without a background check if he knows that he might lose his firearms rights doing it since the background check is so simple. Then again, if Joe-Bob provides Anna-May with the Gun and she does something nutzoid with it, hold him with the same responsibility you are going to with Anna-May. If a person decides to open his midnight gun sales in the Denny's and sells to anyone, it won't be long before Johnny Law will make a purchase and Joe-Bob is sent up for a very, very long time. Enforce the Background Checks is pretty simple and it won't stop honest Jim-Bob from buying his guns and ammo. But it will get Joe-Bob and Anna-May off the street.

Moron.....the people selling guns to known felons are already breaking the law.....and they are breaking the law by not doing the background check on the known felons.....the felons already know they can't buy, own or carry those guns...already......

We already have laws that allow us to arrest all parties involved......the police already use sting operations to arrest people selling illegal guns....

Background checks are not part of any of that.....

 

[2aguy]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

No, moron....criminals already use Straw Buyers....you know, people who can already pass any and all current and future background checks...which means they will pass a background check for a private gun sale too...you doofus.

Background checks do not stop criminals.....they steal the guns or use straw buyers...

The only reason anti-gunners want universal background checks is to be able to demand universal gun registration....that is the only reason....they know that background checks don't do a damn thing to stop criminals...but it gives them the ability to demand universal gun registration...

 

[Pilot1]

All of these illegal, and silly requirements that states put into law are purely made to make it more difficult for the law abiding to get guns. They are INFRINGEMENTS. Finally the courts are doing something about these illegal laws.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

You're sure? Sounds like you really don't know, but imagine it to be true.

You have nothing worth listening to. Have a nice day.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

No, moron....criminals already use Straw Buyers....you know, people who can already pass any and all current and future background checks...which means they will pass a background check for a private gun sale too...you doofus.

Background checks do not stop criminals.....they steal the guns or use straw buyers...

The only reason anti-gunners want universal background checks is to be able to demand universal gun registration....that is the only reason....they know that background checks don't do a damn thing to stop criminals...but it gives them the ability to demand universal gun registration...

You have nothing to say that anyone needs to know. Have a nice day.

 

[Blues Man]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales.
Do you care to prove that statement

 

[JoeB131]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

again, background checks are ineffective if guys like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza are still able to get guns.

Here's a simple solution. When a gun is used in a mass shooting, the victims can sue the gun owners for negligence.

Problem Fucking Solved.

 

[JoeB131]

No, moron......the Parkland shooter was visited over 30 times by police.....they failed, not the other owners of 600 million guns....he was recomended for commitment...he wasn't....that was the failure of the school and the police....your Gods......

We don't lock people up for being nuts... if we did, you'd be a mess of trouble, Dick Tiny.

The fact he was able to buy a gun at all was the problem here.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron.....the people selling guns to known felons are already breaking the law.....and they are breaking the law by not doing the background check on the known felons.....the felons already know they can't buy, own or carry those guns...already......

We already have laws that allow us to arrest all parties involved......the police already use sting operations to arrest people selling illegal guns....

Background checks are not part of any of that.....

But here's the problem with that position.

The Gun Industry encourages illegal sales by letting legal sales go on with very few restrictions. For instance, when they wanted to put a limit on how many guns you can buy, because you know darned well that if someone is buying 25 guns a month, he's reselling them to someone else in another state, the NRA went apeshit and opposed these laws.

The NRA WANTS criminals to have guns.

If they didn't, then all the Dick Tinys of the world wouldn't want guns, or at least not as many of them.

Much like the alcohol industry markets to drunks, the gun industry markets to gun nuts. The guy who bought a gun once in the 1990's and takes it out once a year to target shoot, he's not a prime customers.

 

[Blues Man]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

again, background checks are ineffective if guys like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza are still able to get guns.

Here's a simple solution. When a gun is used in a mass shooting, the victims can sue the gun owners for negligence.

Problem Fucking Solved.

So if your car gets stolen and the guy who stole it runs down a gaggle of grandmas you can be sued for negligence right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage

Look at you. blissfully unaware that you have perfectly illustrated how gun laws cannot stop people from getting guns and committing crimes with them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Most of those guns are purchased in states that it's legal to make a private purchase without a background check and they are transported into the Feral Gang Areas.

And people who do this commit a federal felony.
G'head. Tell us how you think you still have a point.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

Sure do. I see a pattern of nonsense. There are no free for all gun dispensaries anywhere. And have you noticed that gun violence always seems higher in places with strict anti-gun laws? Places with lots of legal guns seem to do better.

And you fail to notice that over 60% of those weapons are imported from the states with no background checks for private sales. Go to Indiana. I am sure, if you ask around, there is a Denny's somewhere, where you can purchase a firearm no questions or ID required. They won't even have a sign that says, "You have to be this tall to buy here".

You're sure? Sounds like you really don't know, but imagine it to be true.

You have nothing worth listening to. Have a nice day.

We accept your concession of the point.

 

[M14 Shooter]

First, your pipe dream that an ID form will somehow magically prevent gun deaths is just that, a dream. Second, "you never know when a nut will flip out and start shooting" is also a fantasy, because most shooters exhibit symptoms of instability before that.

But oddly THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUY GUNS!

Yes, I've made THIS VERY POINT, a bunch of times. Whenever there is a mass shooter, the news media talks to their friends and neighbors and we ALL FIND OUT HE WAS NUTS.

Yes they were still able to walk into a store, buy a bunch of guns that were military grade, and do a lot of havok.

Here's a crazy idea. Before you can buy a gun, we do a Background check, just like any employer would do. If the people in your life say, "Holy Shit, Bob's nuts! We can't let him have a gun", problem fucking solved.

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

So you get turned down at the Gun Shop because you are a fruitcake. And you need to pass a background check to buy one privately and the law abiding citizens won't sell you one without the gun background check. So you skip across the state line into another state to one that has a free for all gun dispensary at the nearest Denny's out the back of a Chevy Panel Truck and load up. Then you go back across the state line with your booty and do your damage. Do you see a pattern here?

No, moron....criminals already use Straw Buyers....you know, people who can already pass any and all current and future background checks...which means they will pass a background check for a private gun sale too...you doofus.

Background checks do not stop criminals.....they steal the guns or use straw buyers...

The only reason anti-gunners want universal background checks is to be able to demand universal gun registration....that is the only reason....they know that background checks don't do a damn thing to stop criminals...but it gives them the ability to demand universal gun registration...

You have nothing to say that anyone needs to know. Have a nice day.

We accept your concession of the point.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Try to buy a gun at a gun shop. See if they do a background check.

again, background checks are ineffective if guys like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza are still able to get guns.

Here's a simple solution. When a gun is used in a mass shooting, the victims can sue the gun owners for negligence.

Problem Fucking Solved.

When a car is used to mow down crowds should you also be able to sue the car manufacturer? You can't stop crimes but you can at least slow it down when you can. In most car dealerships, before you can leave the lot, you need to show a drivers license, proof of insurance and a few other things. You can't just come in and get a car with the smile on your face. There is at least a title involved and a registration. If you come around and acquire a car with just your smile, yes, the real owner is liable but not the car maker. If the previous owner made a reasonable effort to make sure you were legal then he is not at fault. The same goes with a gun. If he made the reasonable effort in having a background check ran then he is off the hook. It falls directly on the seller/buyer relationship not on the manufacturer. Hold the seller responsible if he did not make a reasonable effort. When the Seller is on trial for Murder in the 1st a few times, the Sellers will certainly use reasonable methods to cover their asses.