Illinois Firearm Identification card ruled unConstitutional in state court....yes, this is correct.

[2aguy]

It hasn't worked in any of those countries you moron.......they have different social situations which have allowed them, for a long time, to escape the violence we have had.....and now that is changing as their social welfare states create more and more fatherless boys....

Buddy.

They have more welfare
Less guns
Less prisons
Less violence.

This isn't hard to figure out.

But do keep cowering in your house with your arsenal and act like the Zombies are coming.

They have increasing violence.......their social welfare system has reached a point that they can't raise children in two parent, adult homes anymore.......the violence is escalating and the crime is escalating....

 

[2aguy]

America doesn’t have more crime than other rich countries. It just has more guns.

Okay, let's look at that.

Murders (the only crime that counts because everything else is subjective.)

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WHOOOOOPS. No, man, we have a lot more murders. Because we have more guns. This isn't fucking complicated.

Now, you might be okay with this, shrug it off because you wants you a gun to make up for your tiny pecker, but I for one and sick and tired of living in a Gun Nut's paradise... So are most Americans.

No, moron....we have more murders because we have had a longer period where our out of wedlock birthrates have created generations of fatherless boys and girls.....we have more knive murders and more murders with clubs and empty hands than those countries do.....but that is changing.

 

[JoeB131]

They have increasing violence.......their social welfare system has reached a point that they can't raise children in two parent, adult homes anymore.......the violence is escalating and the crime is escalating....

You tell yourself, that buddy. yOu tell yourself any fucking fairy tale that the National Rampage Association puts out there...

Real world,

 

[JoeB131]

No, moron....we have more murders because we have had a longer period where our out of wedlock birthrates have created generations of fatherless boys and girls.....we have more knive murders and more murders with clubs and empty hands than those countries do.....but that is changing.

We have more murders because we have more guns... because the gun industry floods our streets with them.

 

[2aguy]

No, moron....we have more murders because we have had a longer period where our out of wedlock birthrates have created generations of fatherless boys and girls.....we have more knive murders and more murders with clubs and empty hands than those countries do.....but that is changing.

We have more murders because we have more guns... because the gun industry floods our streets with them.

Moron...you don't know what you are talking about......as more Americans went out in the last 26 years and bought, and carried guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%.....showing that your theory is just wrong. Britain had guns and had a low gun murder rate, long before they banned the guns, and their gun murder rate, after going up for 10 years after the ban, returned to the same level as before the ban...so access to guns by criminals who don't commit murder doesn't increase the gun murder rate......

Please engage your brain before you post.....

 

[fncceo]

Phone's Facebook App(and Alexa etc) all do it for you.

I have never shot my Alexa.

I do talk dirty to her sometimes.

 

[fncceo]

We have more murders because we have more guns

Or.... do we have more guns because we have more murders?

 

[anynameyouwish]

Holy shit, WOW!!!!

It took them that long?

I have no problem with non-felonious citizens owning guns.

I just prefer to limit the tragedies of gun accidents by ensuring that everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

 

[fncceo]

everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

Police and Military don't always handle guns in a safe manner.

 

[anynameyouwish]

everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

Police and Military don't always handle guns in a safe manner.

Ok

Still all I ask is that every law-abiding citizen be required to be certified/trained/licensed proving they have the training and knowledge to handle guns safely.

I don't want YOUR children accidentally shot by some unlicensed. untrained bozo.

or mine.

Beyond that I defend and support YOUR right to own guns, hunt, target practice, and to defend your life, your home and your family.

 

[fncceo]

Still all I ask is that every law-abiding citizen be required to be certified/trained/licensed proving they have the training and knowledge to handle guns safely.

What training is required to exercise your other Constitutional rights?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Holy shit, WOW!!!!

It took them that long?

I have no problem with non-felonious citizens owning guns.

I just prefer to limit the tragedies of gun accidents by ensuring that everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

What does police of military have to do with anything?


I would rather learn from an a Uncle Jeb type like I learned from my Gramps.

 

[Wyatt earp]

everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

Police and Military don't always handle guns in a safe manner.

Ok

Still all I ask is that every law-abiding citizen be required to be certified/trained/licensed proving they have the training and knowledge to handle guns safely.

I don't want YOUR children accidentally shot by some unlicensed. untrained bozo.

or mine.

Beyond that I defend and support YOUR right to own guns, hunt, target practice, and to defend your life, your home and your family.

So do you thing one right supercede's another?

what about a qualified civic instructor certify people before they can vote, a vote is more deadly then a gun is.



.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Still all I ask is that every law-abiding citizen be required to be certified/trained/licensed proving they have the training and knowledge to handle guns safely.

What training is required to exercise your other Constitutional rights?

Which rights are you talking about?

Driving a car?

is that a "right" or a "privilege"?

training and license is required.

flying a plane?

is that a "right" or a "privilege"?

training and license is required.

Getting married?

license required

fishing?

license required.

Since GUNS can be dangerous and, if not properly handled, serious and even fatal accidents can occur, as a citizen who would prefer to NOT be accidentally shot by a moron all i ask is that you be trained and licensed to drive a car, fly a plane, handle dynamite, or own a weapon.

 

[fncceo]

Driving a car?

is that a "right" or a "privilege"?

training and license is required.

flying a plane?

is that a "right" or a "privilege"?

training and license is required.

Getting married?

license required

fishing?

license required.

None of which are Constitutional Rights.

 

[anynameyouwish]

everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

Police and Military don't always handle guns in a safe manner.

Ok

Still all I ask is that every law-abiding citizen be required to be certified/trained/licensed proving they have the training and knowledge to handle guns safely.

I don't want YOUR children accidentally shot by some unlicensed. untrained bozo.

or mine.

Beyond that I defend and support YOUR right to own guns, hunt, target practice, and to defend your life, your home and your family.

So do you thing one right supercede's another?

what about a qualified civic instructor certify people before they can vote, a vote is more deadly then a gun is.



.

"
So do you thing one right supercede's another?

Do you really want your UNTRAINED and UNLICENSED neighbor accidentally shooting someone in your family because they were UNTRAINED and UNLICENSED and made a big fkn mistake?

gun accidents happen all the time

You can own your weapons.
I just want to feel SAFE from illegal aliens, drug addicts, criminals, religious extremists, drunk drivers and unlicensed, untrained gun owners.


"what about a qualified civic instructor certify people before they can vote, a vote is more deadly then a gun is."

ok

write it all up
discuss it
make it an issue
present your arguments
get it included in the next referendum and we can vote on it.

Currently I am not ready to say YAY or NAY on that issue because I haven't spent anytime thinking about it.

I'd be interested to hear you logical arguments.

Meanwhile.......

I merely ask that people with DANGEROUS TOYS be trained and licensed.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Driving a car?

is that a "right" or a "privilege"?

training and license is required.

flying a plane?

is that a "right" or a "privilege"?

training and license is required.

Getting married?

license required

fishing?

license required.

None of which are Constitutional Rights.

Fine.

Then in this Great Land of FREEDOM and RIGHTS could you please list any actual rights you can think of?

Obviously anything I suggest will be met with a "THAT is NOT a right! it is a PRIVILEGE!"

I'd be interested to hear how few rights you really believe we have....

so far;

guns.


anything else?

anything at all?

even one more thing?

 

[Wyatt earp]

everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

Police and Military don't always handle guns in a safe manner.

Ok

Still all I ask is that every law-abiding citizen be required to be certified/trained/licensed proving they have the training and knowledge to handle guns safely.

I don't want YOUR children accidentally shot by some unlicensed. untrained bozo.

or mine.

Beyond that I defend and support YOUR right to own guns, hunt, target practice, and to defend your life, your home and your family.

So do you thing one right supercede's another?

what about a qualified civic instructor certify people before they can vote, a vote is more deadly then a gun is.



.

"
So do you thing one right supercede's another?

Do you really want your UNTRAINED and UNLICENSED neighbor accidentally shooting someone in your family because they were UNTRAINED and UNLICENSED and made a big fkn mistake?

gun accidents happen all the time

You can own your weapons.
I just want to feel SAFE from illegal aliens, drug addicts, criminals, religious extremists, drunk drivers and unlicensed, untrained gun owners.


"what about a qualified civic instructor certify people before they can vote, a vote is more deadly then a gun is."

ok

write it all up
discuss it
make it an issue
present your arguments
get it included in the next referendum and we call vote on it.

Currently I am not ready to say YAY or NAY on that issue because I have't spent anytime thinking about it.

I'd be interested to hear you logical arguments.

Meanwhile.......

I merely ask that people with DANGEROUS TOYS be trained and licensed.

Do you really want these people voting?

I merely ask dangerous people be trained BEFORE they vote!!!!!

 

[anynameyouwish]

everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

Police and Military don't always handle guns in a safe manner.

Ok

Still all I ask is that every law-abiding citizen be required to be certified/trained/licensed proving they have the training and knowledge to handle guns safely.

I don't want YOUR children accidentally shot by some unlicensed. untrained bozo.

or mine.

Beyond that I defend and support YOUR right to own guns, hunt, target practice, and to defend your life, your home and your family.

So do you thing one right supercede's another?

what about a qualified civic instructor certify people before they can vote, a vote is more deadly then a gun is.



.

"
So do you thing one right supercede's another?

Do you really want your UNTRAINED and UNLICENSED neighbor accidentally shooting someone in your family because they were UNTRAINED and UNLICENSED and made a big fkn mistake?

gun accidents happen all the time

You can own your weapons.
I just want to feel SAFE from illegal aliens, drug addicts, criminals, religious extremists, drunk drivers and unlicensed, untrained gun owners.


"what about a qualified civic instructor certify people before they can vote, a vote is more deadly then a gun is."

ok

write it all up
discuss it
make it an issue
present your arguments
get it included in the next referendum and we call vote on it.

Currently I am not ready to say YAY or NAY on that issue because I have't spent anytime thinking about it.

I'd be interested to hear you logical arguments.

Meanwhile.......

I merely ask that people with DANGEROUS TOYS be trained and licensed.

Do you really want these people voting?

I merely ask dangerous people be trained BEFORE they vote!!!!!




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Great!

Fine!

I'm so happy for you!

Meanwhile

I merely ask that people with GUNS THAT KILL OTHER PEOPLE be trained and licensed.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Holy shit, WOW!!!!

It took them that long?

I have no problem with non-felonious citizens owning guns.

I just prefer to limit the tragedies of gun accidents by ensuring that everyone who owns a gun knows how to handle it safely.

trained and licensed by POLICE or MILITARY is all I require.

What does police of military have to do with anything?


I would rather learn from an a Uncle Jeb type like I learned from my Gramps.

"What does police of military have to do with anything?"

I would think that the Police and Military would be government authorities that we can trust on this matter.

You can LEARN from your uncle bubba using target practice pictures of your favorite liberals but I would ask/require that you take and pass a credited course to prove you can handle weapons safely.