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[bigrebnc1775]

Guy, I think you missed the result of the last election.

Working people won. Plutocrats lost.

Now, yeah, we are going to see some rough times ahead when people have realized how badly the Plutocrats have screwed them in the last 30 years...

But Unions will be stronger at the end of it, not weaker.

unions you idiot are not working people/

 

[thereisnospoon]

Oh please... There you go again. Why do you insist on these bullshit stories?
Fired sick people..Yeah, ok sure.
Hey..Newsflash...The job of managerial people is NOT to care about their underlings. Their job is to make sure the workers do THEIR jobs. Because there is always another level above them to which they must answer.

Their job is to do what is best for the business. I totally grant that.

So it's in EVERYONE else insterest to make sure that doing the right thing is in the interest of the business by making sure there are really shitty consequences if they don't.

That's why we have an EPA and an OSHA and an EEOC and other wonderful government agencies to make it very expensive for the dicks to do the wrong thing.

Thank you, you've wonderfully proven my point, better than I ever could.

No..You stated the managerial people are supposed to "care"..
That's two different things.
Stow it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Okay, if you say so.... I know you always need to believe that bosses are right...

Keep kissing ass, some day it will pay off.

They usually are. That's why they are qualified to be in charge of the mind numbed worker bees like yourself who cannot think for themselves.
Because you freely admit you are no longer union yet continue to display undying support for unions, that kind of make YOU an internet poser.

Guy, I was never in a union. Never said I was. My father was in a union. My brothers are in unions. I was career military and then went into the private sector. And until about five years ago, when my asshole boss showed me the true meaning of Christmas, I was about as dismissive of unions as you are.

Now I know why they are necessary. because despite all reason and logic, douchebags still find their way into management.

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You wish you were a member of a labor collective but cannot get in because you have been excluded.
You're like the kid who cannot make the school baseball team but shows up at the practices and games so you can appear as though you belong. Sadly though, you won;t be getting a uniform. You're too stupid to realize how stupid you appear.
You are supporting organizations that do not want you.
Real smart.

Guy, here's the thing.

If the team had a winning record, your sad attempt at an analogy would make sense.

But it didn't. The company had to let people go because in this case, the management at the company managed to lose a 35 MILLION dollar account. Not the worker bees. We did EXACTLY what we were supposed to do. We got the product to the customer on time.

But management kept gouging the customer with a 30% markup on what we sold them, and even though the sales people told them that they were making a lot of noise about being overcharged, they refused to come down during the contract, and then acted like there was nothing wrong when the contract was being renegotiated.

And oooops. They didn't get the contract. Let's not fire the managers. Let's fire the worker bees.

I see a need for unions because people like my ex-boss become managers. Period. Not that i personally want to join one. I would also be just as happy with a government that strongly enforces labor laws.

Ok...I have a business. I sell lumber. I have accounts with two large regional builders.
I have 50 people working for me.
One of the contracts ends. My competitor gives the builder a better deal. My volume is now cut in half. I am forced to lay off 25 people.
According to you, I should keep all 50 workers and lay off MYSELF....
Right.
Which school of business did you attend?
Oh...Mark up is the route to PROFIT....Dummy. How the fuck do you suppose a business stays in business? By LOSING money on purpose?
Last point ....Government does not have any business interfering in the affairs between business and labor organizations. There are laws that permit labor to organize and collectively bargain for the members of the union.
However, because government must maintain a level playing field, there is no law which guarantees or mandates an employer MUST allow a labor collective inside of his business.
It has always been that way. It has to be.
Look, any relationship between a business and a labor collective is a business relationship.
One which upon it's expiration, is negotiable in every way.
In the past, company owners feared unions. They gave in to all demands. No longer.
Union management is at fault for their own demise. They got greedy. They thought the business world would always cave. They thought wrong.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And here you are working in a non union shop....What a fucking hypocrite.
Oh, BTW the tea party is attempting to purge the RINO's from the GOP.
We are kicking out the fluid spined go along to get along republicans who have betrayed their conservative constituents.
Newsflash....As soon as the correct number of votes can be secured Rep Boehner will NO LONGER be Speaker of the House.
The guy is a wimp. He should caucus with the democrats.

Spoonie, if you really think that the people who run the GOP think the TEA Party is a great idea, you are kidding yourselves.

Just think of Karl Rove as the Mad Doctor and the Teabaggers as the monster. They cost the GOP its last best chance of regaining power.

Boenher just threw four crazy Teabaggers off key committees in the house, and they pretty much told DeMint to take a powder. Yes, it will be fun to watch the GOP blow holes in their walls trying to fumigate the Teabaggers out of their house....

Too bad they didn't learn their lesson 4 years ago.

I think you have it backwards. The establishment GOP cares not for the Tea Party. They want them out because the Tea Party upsets their little apple cart.
Alan West barely lost his seat. He lost because his district went democrat due to population shifts
Boehner is an ineffective compromiser. He will eventually get the boot. Why? Because he is NOT a conservative. Boehner is a typical old guard GOP RINO....
I am enjoying your side's pleas for the GOP to become more like liberal democrats.
I shall enjoy watching your side trying to push this country into your dream of a socialist utopia....And fail.

 

[JoeB131]

Mitt Romney pays EXACTLY THE SAME tax on capital gains taxes as his secretary.
Now we can change the tax code all day long as Republicans have LONG FAVORED THAT with Democrat opposition but your ignorance of how Americans pay taxes and what on does not make it Romney pays less taxes than his secretary.
He pays more and a shit load more.
How long do we have to keep telling you jack leg cry babies? As long as you socialist keep raising taxes we WILL LEGALLY PUT THE $$$ WHERE THE TAX CODE TAXES US THE LEAST.
WELL DUH
And listen to the milk weak cry babies that do not understand we need to change the tax code.
All the while the myth "they do not pay their fair share" keeps spreading.

No, we need to get the rich assholes to pay their fair share and stop whining.

And we need to occassionally make an example out of a few of them.

Remember Leona Helmsly? THe Queen of Mean? "Only the little people pay taxes"?

Put her ass in front of a jury of working stiffs, and she went to prison. Heh, heh, heh. We need to do a lot more of that.

 

[JoeB131]

I think you have it backwards. The establishment GOP cares not for the Tea Party. They want them out because the Tea Party upsets their little apple cart.
Alan West barely lost his seat. He lost because his district went democrat due to population shifts
Boehner is an ineffective compromiser. He will eventually get the boot. Why? Because he is NOT a conservative. Boehner is a typical old guard GOP RINO....
I am enjoying your side's pleas for the GOP to become more like liberal democrats.
I shall enjoy watching your side trying to push this country into your dream of a socialist utopia....And fail.

I know you teabaggers need to believe that you were a spontaneous grassroots movement, but you were bought and paid for on day one. The Establishment made you, but now you are causing more damage than good for them.

It's why most of you scream about "Taxed Enough Already" when most of you got a tax break under Obama. One just sees how gullible most of you are. You honestly fall for that shit. Kind of like how Mississippi is the poorest, most backward ass state in the country and Romney did better there than he did anywhere else. Even Utah.

Allen West outspent his opponent four to one with Kock Brothers money. And he still lost.

My favorite, Joe Walsh. THe Koch-suckers spent a lot of money here, too. And we still put a beatdown on that loser.

 

[JoeB131]

Ok...I have a business. I sell lumber. I have accounts with two large regional builders.
I have 50 people working for me.
One of the contracts ends. My competitor gives the builder a better deal. My volume is now cut in half. I am forced to lay off 25 people.
According to you, I should keep all 50 workers and lay off MYSELF....
.

Works for me. Your employees would be celebrating for days... Maybe if the managers started getting the brunt of the bad decisions they make, instead of the working folks,

But it was WHO this guy laid off he lost have the business that was the real issue. He didn't lay off the people he just hired, he laid off the people who had been with for years because they made more money or were older. And when people pointed that out to him, he replied, 'Well, that's why I'm glad I don't have a union."

Of course, most of the people who kept working there are miserable. A few of them have even come to me to have resumes written.

Now, imagine if there were a union. The people with seniority would have stayed, as it should be. When business came back, instead of hiring new waifs willing to work for a pittance, he would have had to have called back the people he let go. WHich is what a "layoff" is actually supposed to mean.

Again, I see no good reason why the economy should dance to the tune of the managers who make the bad decisions.

 

[Meathead]

Again, I see no good reason why the economy should dance to the tune of the managers who make the bad decisions.

Individual businesses dance to the tune of managers who make bad decisions. The economy has to dance to the tune of Obama, which is far worse and effects far more people.

Get a life Joe.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Michigan's economy has been devastated by the fact that the leadership of the Big Three has been incompetent for years, not realizing the world wide demand was for smaller cars, not bigger ones.

Why is it you conservatards always define freedom as the ability of the wealthy to abuse others?

Just answer me one question: why shouldn't any employee have to choice to pay dues or not?

Because letting someone get all the benefits of collective bargaining without paying any of the price for it pretty much defeats the purpose.

But union dues don't only go to bargaining costs. Most of them go to political bullshit.

 

[JoeB131]

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But union dues don't only go to bargaining costs. Most of them go to political bullshit.

you mean supporting candidates who are on the side of workers instead of the side of corporations.

hey, that plays too ways, you know. Corporate Profits just don't go to small investors. A lot of it goes to political bullshit.

Or do you think Adelman and the Koch Bros. were just giving out money to mutants like Joe Walsh because they were concerned citizens?

 

[Skull Pilot]

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But union dues don't only go to bargaining costs. Most of them go to political bullshit.

you mean supporting candidates who are on the side of workers instead of the side of corporations.

hey, that plays too ways, you know. Corporate Profits just don't go to small investors. A lot of it goes to political bullshit.

Or do you think Adelman and the Koch Bros. were just giving out money to mutants like Joe Walsh because they were concerned citizens?

Political bullshit.

No one should be forced to support a politician via union dues.

if you don't want corporations giving money to pols then unions shouldn't be allowed to either.

 

[JoeB131]

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But union dues don't only go to bargaining costs. Most of them go to political bullshit.

you mean supporting candidates who are on the side of workers instead of the side of corporations.

hey, that plays too ways, you know. Corporate Profits just don't go to small investors. A lot of it goes to political bullshit.

Or do you think Adelman and the Koch Bros. were just giving out money to mutants like Joe Walsh because they were concerned citizens?

Political bullshit.

No one should be forced to support a politician via union dues.

if you don't want corporations giving money to pols then unions shouldn't be allowed to either.

No one should be forced to support a politician through the use of their labor, either, which is what corporations do...

I'd have no problem with a multi-lateral disarmorment. Unions can't contribute, and neither can corporations. I think the GOP would get the worst of that deal.

 

[Skull Pilot]

you mean supporting candidates who are on the side of workers instead of the side of corporations.

hey, that plays too ways, you know. Corporate Profits just don't go to small investors. A lot of it goes to political bullshit.

Or do you think Adelman and the Koch Bros. were just giving out money to mutants like Joe Walsh because they were concerned citizens?

Political bullshit.

No one should be forced to support a politician via union dues.

if you don't want corporations giving money to pols then unions shouldn't be allowed to either.

No one should be forced to support a politician through the use of their labor, either, which is what corporations do...

I'd have no problem with a multi-lateral disarmorment. Unions can't contribute, and neither can corporations. I think the GOP would get the worst of that deal.

I don't give a shit about political parties

 

[JoeB131]

I don't give a shit about political parties

So you keep insisting...

 

[Gadawg73]

Unions were a great force to make companies protect workers with safety initiatives.
Then they started extorting pay and benefits that eventually companies could never pay for.
That is what sunk them and many a business also.

 

[JoeB131]

Unions were a great force to make companies protect workers with safety initiatives.
Then they started extorting pay and benefits that eventually companies could never pay for.
That is what sunk them and many a business also.

Right. It wasn't the greed or the bad decisions or the lack of long term planning.

It was those damned union guys insisting they should get paid a living wage, those fucks!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Mitt Romney pays EXACTLY THE SAME tax on capital gains taxes as his secretary.
Now we can change the tax code all day long as Republicans have LONG FAVORED THAT with Democrat opposition but your ignorance of how Americans pay taxes and what on does not make it Romney pays less taxes than his secretary.
He pays more and a shit load more.
How long do we have to keep telling you jack leg cry babies? As long as you socialist keep raising taxes we WILL LEGALLY PUT THE $$$ WHERE THE TAX CODE TAXES US THE LEAST.
WELL DUH
And listen to the milk weak cry babies that do not understand we need to change the tax code.
All the while the myth "they do not pay their fair share" keeps spreading.

No, we need to get the rich assholes to pay their fair share and stop whining.

And we need to occassionally make an example out of a few of them.

Remember Leona Helmsly? THe Queen of Mean? "Only the little people pay taxes"?

Put her ass in front of a jury of working stiffs, and she went to prison. Heh, heh, heh. We need to do a lot more of that.

They already DO pay their share. In fact they pay well over their fair share.
I think there should be NO ONE excluded from the burden of federal income tax.
Who is "WE"? You wacko lefties? You perpetually angry underachieving slugs?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I think you have it backwards. The establishment GOP cares not for the Tea Party. They want them out because the Tea Party upsets their little apple cart.
Alan West barely lost his seat. He lost because his district went democrat due to population shifts
Boehner is an ineffective compromiser. He will eventually get the boot. Why? Because he is NOT a conservative. Boehner is a typical old guard GOP RINO....
I am enjoying your side's pleas for the GOP to become more like liberal democrats.
I shall enjoy watching your side trying to push this country into your dream of a socialist utopia....And fail.

I know you teabaggers need to believe that you were a spontaneous grassroots movement, but you were bought and paid for on day one. The Establishment made you, but now you are causing more damage than good for them.

It's why most of you scream about "Taxed Enough Already" when most of you got a tax break under Obama. One just sees how gullible most of you are. You honestly fall for that shit. Kind of like how Mississippi is the poorest, most backward ass state in the country and Romney did better there than he did anywhere else. Even Utah.

Allen West outspent his opponent four to one with Kock Brothers money. And he still lost.

My favorite, Joe Walsh. THe Koch-suckers spent a lot of money here, too. And we still put a beatdown on that loser.

Stop trying to impress yourself.
We are taxed enough. IN fact, we are over taxed. When all of the taxes we pay are complied most middle income and higher earners have a minimum 50% total tax burden. All the money that goes to state and the federal governments and they still demand more.
What the fuck are these people doing with our money. Any self respecting American should be aggressively asking this question. Yet, you lefties voted for more of the same old wasteful shit.
Of course, this has nothing to do with revenue. It's about punishment.
It is about growing the size of government.
73% of all new jobs created in the last 4 years have been federal employment. That's right. Obama is busily growing federal employment which adds NOTHING to the economy. It only removes more wealth from the private sector economy. The economy will collapse under the weight of this bulbous federal government.
Oh, I have a question...If the Obama economy is doing so well and Obama himself is creating these millions of new jobs, then why is there a need for an extension of unemployment benefits?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Unions were a great force to make companies protect workers with safety initiatives.
Then they started extorting pay and benefits that eventually companies could never pay for.
That is what sunk them and many a business also.

Right. It wasn't the greed or the bad decisions or the lack of long term planning.

It was those damned union guys insisting they should get paid a living wage, those fucks!

Right, those fucks.
Unions destroyed themselves with their unreasonable demands and utter greed.
You people are like children who got caught breaking the living room lamp. You refuse to accept responsibility for your actions.

 

[Gadawg73]

Yeah, paying a guy with a 10th grade education 65K a year to do a job a Chink with a 5th grade education does better and at 30K a year is real smart.
Give a guy a "living wage" for doing what a 5th grader could do.
And folks wonder why businesses have gone under.
Neighbor of mine was a damn janitor at GM and made 50K a year.