Impeachable offense? Try Bribery

That happens with every administration. LOL. You’re so uneducated.
Actually

Trumps demands for a personal favor in return for military aid is outright bribery and unprecedented
No it isn’t. Doubling down on your ignorance yet again. If you’re so confident he sucks then why not just vote him out with one of your excellent candidates in 2020?

Trump is not above the law
Whether it is an election year or not

And no Dim has been able to point out which specific law was ever violated.
Bribery is an impeachable offense
Yes. Again stating no weapons unless a country can prove corruption is on a decline is not bribery. Stating no weapons unless a country spies on a political opponent is bribery. You have no idea which it was. Ukraine president says it was the former. You’re just speculating like everyone else but the difference is you pretend that you actually know. Now give me your usual smiley, which proves I made you look dumb again and go to bed.
 
That happens with every administration. LOL. You’re so uneducated.
When favors are exchanged that suit the national interest it's Calle diplomacy.

When favors are exchanged that suit an individual's interest, it's calle bribery.
The two always overlap in the case of a president, you fucking moron.
What national interest was served by investigating Biden's son?
It's always in the national interest to but criminals in jail. Furthermore, Biden's son is not the target of the investigation. Biden is.
I realize that to sink to the depths of devotion to a slimeball lie Trump requires checking your sense of right and wrong at the door. But you'll never drag the rest of us into that trough.
Anyone who can rationalize voting for Hillary is a douchebag.
 
That happens with every administration. LOL. You’re so uneducated.
When favors are exchanged that suit the national interest it's Calle diplomacy.

When favors are exchanged that suit an individual's interest, it's calle bribery.
The two always overlap in the case of a president, you fucking moron.
What national interest was served by investigating Biden's son?
/——/ Rooting out pay for play corruption for starters.
If withholding military aid and dangling White House meetings for conducting an investigation of corruption (allegations that were debunked by the very state being shaken down) isn't pay to play, what is?
Isn't turning over $150 billion to the Iranian mullahs in exchange for their "agreement" to restrictions on their nuclear program "pay for play?"
 
Hit piece penned by a known anti-trump group.

Ian Bassin is a Democratic Party operative, former associate White House counsel to President Barack Obama, and executive director of the anti-Trump litigation groups Protect Democracy Project and United to Protect Democracy. [1]


Same "unbiased" group that put out the open letter signed by "former prosecutors"

Propaganda. And nothing more.
 
The Constitution is generally vague on what constitutes an impeachable offense
One of the crimes it specifically identifies as impeachable is.....Bribery

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.

You could find impeachable offenses for nearly every president. And as far as bribery, let’s see the evidence. I noticed you didn’t provide any.
Plenty of evidence
Have you missed the testimony over the past two weeks?

No previous president would be that stupid to leave themselves open for impeachment......Trump is that stupid

Do you not know how to copy and paste?
 
The Constitution is generally vague on what constitutes an impeachable offense
One of the crimes it specifically identifies as impeachable is.....Bribery

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.

You could find impeachable offenses for nearly every president. And as far as bribery, let’s see the evidence. I noticed you didn’t provide any.
Plenty of evidence
Have you missed the testimony over the past two weeks?

No previous president would be that stupid to leave themselves open for impeachment......Trump is that stupid
Trump hasn't done anything to justify impeachment, dumbass.
About a thousand former prosecutors signed a document stating after reviewing the evidence contained in the Mueller Report, if the decision was theirs to make, excluding the DOJ opinion a President should not be indicted while in office, they would charge and prosecute the President for multiple counts of obstruction of justice.

And yet another person who doesn’t know how to copy and paste. I read 10,000 judges said they would throw out the entire Mueller report, but I can’t copy and paste either.
 
The Constitution is generally vague on what constitutes an impeachable offense
One of the crimes it specifically identifies as impeachable is.....Bribery

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.
Whom did he bribe?
The Ukrainian President

Withholding needed military aid unless personal favors were granted





What was the bribe? Even your douchebags admit the Ukraine president never knew about the holdup, that the investigation never happened, and they got their aid.

So other than pissing up a rope, what you got?
 
The Constitution is generally vague on what constitutes an impeachable offense
One of the crimes it specifically identifies as impeachable is.....Bribery

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.
Whom did he bribe?
The Ukrainian President

Withholding needed military aid unless personal favors were granted





What was the bribe? Even your douchebags admit the Ukraine president never knew about the holdup, that the investigation never happened, and they got their aid.

So other than pissing up a rope, what you got?


In my estimation, The Democrats have their fingerprints all over Ukraine and figure a good offense is a good defense, against any investigation into Ukraine and their involvement in trying to take the 2016 election with a little help from their friends.

Trump said in the convo.... "just do what you can".... that seems pretty low pressure to me. Do what you can can end up being nothing at all, as Trump didn't make any demands in the phone call, he simply asked for a favor, and even that was more directed towards the servers, Not Biden.

Funny though whenever the Democrats mention this phone call, they seem to always leave out the part about the Crowdstrike portion of the conversation and seem to want to make it all about Biden.
 
The Constitution is generally vague on what constitutes an impeachable offense
One of the crimes it specifically identifies as impeachable is.....Bribery

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.

So does Biden’s......NOW WHAT?
 
Trump specifically demanded “favors” in return for discussing military aid

Rather than favors that are in the interests of the United States, he demanded information that could be used against a political rival for his personal gain

The very definition of bribery


Really, the favor Trump asked for was related to 2016 and Ukraines interference in the election. Was a political rival involved in that? And Zelensky, one of the principles on the call, said he wasn't pressured, so where was the bribe?

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bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest

ON THOSE GROUNDS ALONE YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED WHY BARACK OBAMA SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED AT LEAST 20-30 TIMES, BUT NEVER WAS.

WHY IS THAT?

AND HOW DO YOU CONTEND THAT INVESTIGATING AND REVEALING THE CRIME OF USING YOUR POSITION AS VP IN ORDER TO COERCE OTHER COUNTRIES TO HIRE YOUR SON IN SWEET HONEY DEALS ISN'T A CRIME TO BE INVESTIGATED FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST, YET THE MERE ACT OF ASKING ABOUT IT IS?
Give an equivalent example where Obama should have been impeached

I already have, many times! Will you pay attention this time? Or just deny it again? You said:

bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit

Then since abuse of power seems to the the central issue, how is it that Trump's alleged abuse of power in what was arguably a legal criminal investigation qualify but all these (and I'm just tapping at the edge of the iceberg here) incidences which have been recorded, documented and proven about Obama, DO NOT? WHERE WERE THE DEMOCRAT'S WRATH DURING ANY OR ALL OF THESE EVENTS???

Obama’s Many Scandals: Abuse of Government Power Worse Than Sex Scandals | National Review

Supreme Court Rules Unanimously Against Obama for 12th and 13th Time Since 2012 | National Review

GOP leader: Supreme Court has ruled 13 times that Obama exceeded his constitutional authority

Obama Lost Supreme Court More Than Any Modern President

Breaking: ‘True the Vote’ Gets Historic Ruling In Obama’s Massive IRS, Spying Scandal

WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER HERE: Justice looked the other way just as with Hillary's crimes as there are two standards for justice in this country.
 
The Constitution is generally vague on what constitutes an impeachable offense
One of the crimes it specifically identifies as impeachable is.....Bribery

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.

You could find impeachable offenses for nearly every president. And as far as bribery, let’s see the evidence. I noticed you didn’t provide any.
Plenty of evidence
Have you missed the testimony over the past two weeks?

No previous president would be that stupid to leave themselves open for impeachment......Trump is that stupid

Do you not know how to copy and paste?


Hell, he's acclaimed as a top paid poster by USMB, he should know how.

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Trump specifically demanded “favors” in return for discussing military aid
Rather than favors that are in the interests of the United States, he demanded information that could be used against a political rival for his personal gain
The very definition of bribery
Really, the favor Trump asked for was related to 2016 and Ukraines interference in the election. Was a political rival involved in that? And Zelensky, one of the principles on the call, said he wasn't pressured, so where was the bribe?
As CNN reports: The bottom line is that the electoral implications of impeachment are currently far less favorable to Democrats in the swing states that are likely to determine next year's presidential election than the national polls indicate. For Trump, this is good news. For the Democratic presidential candidates, it suggests more caution may be needed in articulating an impeachment position than the national polls indicate.
 
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No, Herr Lesh it has not.

From NPR

Earlier this week, President Trump cited concerns about corruption as his rationale for blocking security assistance to Ukraine. But in a letter sent to four congressional committees in May of this year and obtained by NPR, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy John Rood informed lawmakers that he "certified that the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms for the purposes of decreasing corruption [and] increasing accountability."

The certification was required by law for the release of $250 million in security assistance for Ukraine. That aid was blocked by the White House until Sept. 11 and has since been released. It must be spent before Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year.

So the question is (as always) is Azog a liar or just fucking stupid...
 
And Zelensky, one of the principles on the call, said he wasn't pressured, so where was the bribe?

Zelensky is still dependent on US aid that TRUMP controls to fight off the Russian invasion

I wouldn't count on his statements too much
 
The Constitution is generally vague on what constitutes an impeachable offense
One of the crimes it specifically identifies as impeachable is.....Bribery

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.


But there was no bribery that happened. Ukraine got the aid and their president said that at the time of the phone call, he was not aware funds were withheld. Trumps actual words could be interpreted in different ways, depending on what you want the outcome to be. knowing that Democrats have wanted to impeeach Trump from day 1, their motives and interpretations are always suspect.

Ukraine is not in a position to throw Trump under the bus

Trumps actual words were awkward to say the least. If not criminal, Trumo should be thrown out for incompetence.
It was far from a “perfect” phone call.
/——-/ It was a perfect call. President Trump has you libtards chasing your tail like a mangy dog.
 

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