In 1948, Arabs threatened Palestinians with violence if they didn't leave Israel before the attack

[Coyote]

Let's get back on topic guys - refer to Post #1 if you are confused.

 

[Roudy]

Does anybody have any evidence that these events didn't happen?

"Morris, the historian who documented instances where Palestinians were expelled, also found that Arab leaders encouraged their brethren to leave. Starting in December 1947, he said, “Arab officers ordered the complete evacuation of specific villages in certain areas, lest their inhabitants ‘treacherously’ acquiesce in Israeli rule or hamper Arab military deployments.” He concluded, “There can be no exaggerating the importance of these early Arab-initiated evacuations in the demoralization, and eventual exodus, of the remaining rural and urban populations” (Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, MA: Cambridge University Press, 2004, p. 590.)

The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: “Any opposition to this order... is an obstacle to the holy war... and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts.” The Arab Higher Committee also ordered the evacuation of “several dozen villages, as well as the removal of dependents from dozens more” in April-July 1948. “The invading Arab armies also occasionally ordered whole villages to depart, so as not to be in their way” (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986; See also Morris, pp. 263 & 590-592).

Morris also said that in early May units of the Arab Legion ordered the evacuation of all women and children from the town of Beisan. The Arab Liberation Army was also reported to have ordered the evacuation of another village south of Haifa. The departure of the women and children, Morris says, “tended to sap the morale of the menfolk who were left behind to guard the homes and fields, contributing ultimately to the final evacuation of villages. Such two-tier evacuation — women and children first, the men following weeks later — occurred in Qumiya in the Jezreel Valley, among the Awarna bedouin in Haifa Bay and in various other places.”

 

[montelatici]

No, that is absolutely true. On a few occasions Arab leadership wanted to get women and children out of harm's way. Just to complete Morris's analysis:

"In the opening pages of “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer: using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population (9). In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army - particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.

By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities. “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[aris2chat]

Interesting were the IQ of balestininas combine in he overall Israeli Iq?

Well, the IQ of Ethiopian Jews is lower than the IQ of Palestinians, the IQ of oriental Semitic Jews is on the same level as the IQ of other Semites.

The IQ of white European Jews (the descendants of Slavs and Khazars), who got their education in Europe, USA or Russia, is on the same level as the IQ of other Europeans.


The Orthodox Jews in Israel have probably the lowest IQ, because they reject the European education, they are as backward, as the Taliban.
And these guys have the highest birth rate in Israel!!!




What to Europe, well, we have a lot of non- European migrants, that is why the IQ of European countries is sinking.

BUT, nevertheless, the IQ of European countries is still way higher than the IQ of Israelis.

Can you prove the ficticous Khazars ever existed, when you fail you can take them out the equation. But how many Nobel peace prize winners have there been that were born muslim, compared to the numbers of Jews ?

>>Arab sources do not mention Khazars as Jews, and contemporary Jewish responsa show no trace of Khazarian Jews<<

 

[Roudy]

So what happened was that the Arabs caused the refugee crisis by attacking the nascent state of Israel, and are now trying to rewrite the history of their crime.

According to Dr. Walid al-Qamhawi, a former member of the Executive Committee of the PLO, “it was collective fear, moral disintegration and chaos in every field that exiled the Arabs of Tiberias, Haifa and dozens of towns and villages” (Joseph Schechtman, The Refugee in the World, NY: A.S. Barnes and Co., 1963, p. 186).

Even Jordan’s King Abdullah, writing in his memoirs, blamed Palestinian leaders for the refugee problem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

"It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem."
-- Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949

"Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe."
-- Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1948, (quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz).


"The Arabs of Haifa fled in spite of the fact that the Jewish authorities guaranteed their safety and rights as citizens of Israel."
-- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, New York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949

 

[Roudy]

I think this quote by the Palestinian leader himself is very telling:

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

 

[montelatici]

It's not a real quote Ruddy. You won't find any link to a source document. It is Hasbara talking. Like many Zionist quotes for which no source documents can be found, for example.

""If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

Ben Gurion

Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

 

[Phoenall]

No, that is absolutely true. On a few occasions Arab leadership wanted to get women and children out of harm's way. Just to complete Morris's analysis:

"In the opening pages of “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer: using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population (9). In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army - particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.

By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities. “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Islamonazi propaganda much loved by islamocatholic Nazis

 

[Phoenall]

Interesting were the IQ of balestininas combine in he overall Israeli Iq?

Well, the IQ of Ethiopian Jews is lower than the IQ of Palestinians, the IQ of oriental Semitic Jews is on the same level as the IQ of other Semites.

The IQ of white European Jews (the descendants of Slavs and Khazars), who got their education in Europe, USA or Russia, is on the same level as the IQ of other Europeans.


The Orthodox Jews in Israel have probably the lowest IQ, because they reject the European education, they are as backward, as the Taliban.
And these guys have the highest birth rate in Israel!!!




What to Europe, well, we have a lot of non- European migrants, that is why the IQ of European countries is sinking.

BUT, nevertheless, the IQ of European countries is still way higher than the IQ of Israelis.

Can you prove the ficticous Khazars ever existed, when you fail you can take them out the equation. But how many Nobel peace prize winners have there been that were born muslim, compared to the numbers of Jews ?

>>Arab sources do not mention Khazars as Jews, and contemporary Jewish responsa show no trace of Khazarian Jews<<

And there are no mentions of any Khazars until the middle of the 20C when a work of fiction was published naming them

 

[Phoenall]

Interesting were the IQ of balestininas combine in he overall Israeli Iq?

Well, the IQ of Ethiopian Jews is lower than the IQ of Palestinians, the IQ of oriental Semitic Jews is on the same level as the IQ of other Semites.

The IQ of white European Jews (the descendants of Slavs and Khazars), who got their education in Europe, USA or Russia, is on the same level as the IQ of other Europeans.


The Orthodox Jews in Israel have probably the lowest IQ, because they reject the European education, they are as backward, as the Taliban.
And these guys have the highest birth rate in Israel!!!




What to Europe, well, we have a lot of non- European migrants, that is why the IQ of European countries is sinking.

BUT, nevertheless, the IQ of European countries is still way higher than the IQ of Israelis.

Actually your data is wrong on almost all counts. I suggest you use a source other than Nazi websites such as stormfront. However, this thread isn't about Jewish IQ verses others, it's about Arab armies threatening the Palestinians to clear out in 1948. You have any evidence that it did not happen, put it up.

How about Photius?

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[Art__Allm]

>>Arab sources do not mention Khazars as Jews...

Of course they do!

... and contemporary Jewish responsa show no trace of Khazarian Jews<<

Contemporary Zionist propaganda denies the history of Ashkenazi Jews that was accepted by all prominent Jewish historians before the "Jewish people" were invented by Zionists.

There are demographic, linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence that confirm the history of Ashkenazim being the descendants of Khazars.

http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/u...d-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-2009.pdf

The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses

And the IQ evidence confirms the non-Semitic origin of Ashkenazim, too.

If they were Semites, their IQ would be similar to the average IQ of Semites, be these Semites Muslims, Christians or Jews.

What to the topic of this thread - it has already been proven with facts that the civilian population of Palestine was afraid of the bestialities of Zionists, that is the reason why many civilians had to flee. But this does not mean that they have lost their right to return to their homes, which is guaranteed by the international low.

 

[Art__Allm]

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"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

Ben Gurion

Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

Yep, the early Zionist leaders were often very brutal, but they were at least honest people.

The today Zionists are often dishonest people, because they deny obvious things that were never denied by their predecessors.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

>>Arab sources do not mention Khazars as Jews...

Of course they do!

... and contemporary Jewish responsa show no trace of Khazarian Jews<<

Contemporary Zionist propaganda denies the history of Ashkenazi Jews that was accepted by all prominent Jewish historians before the "Jewish people" were invented by Zionists.

There are demographic, linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence that confirm the history of Ashkenazim being the descendants of Khazars.

http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/u...d-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-2009.pdf

The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses

And the IQ evidence confirms the non-Semitic origin of Ashkenazim, too.

If they were Semites, their IQ would be similar to the average IQ of Semites, be these Semites Muslims, Christians or Jews.

What to the topic of this thread - it has already been proven with facts that the civilian population of Palestine was afraid of the bestialities of Zionists, that is the reason why many civilians had to flee. But this does not mean that they have lost their right to return to their homes, which is guaranteed by the international low.

If you are German, which I think you are, you should be the last one to talk of bestialities.

 

[Art__Allm]

If you are German, which I think you are, you should be the last one to talk of bestialities.

What has my citizenship or my ancestry to do with the facts that I am pointing out in this forum?

My parents and grandparents did not live in Germany during WWII, they were victims of the bestialities of non-Christian Bolsheviks.

So do not try to play the "Nazi-Card", this does not have any effect on me.

What to the bestialities of Zionists, committed in Deir Yassin - these bestialities are documented facts.
Who kills children and pregnant women is a sadist.

 

[Phoenall]

>>Arab sources do not mention Khazars as Jews...

Of course they do!

... and contemporary Jewish responsa show no trace of Khazarian Jews<<

Contemporary Zionist propaganda denies the history of Ashkenazi Jews that was accepted by all prominent Jewish historians before the "Jewish people" were invented by Zionists.

There are demographic, linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence that confirm the history of Ashkenazim being the descendants of Khazars.

http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/u...d-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-2009.pdf

The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses

And the IQ evidence confirms the non-Semitic origin of Ashkenazim, too.

If they were Semites, their IQ would be similar to the average IQ of Semites, be these Semites Muslims, Christians or Jews.

What to the topic of this thread - it has already been proven with facts that the civilian population of Palestine was afraid of the bestialities of Zionists, that is the reason why many civilians had to flee. But this does not mean that they have lost their right to return to their homes, which is guaranteed by the international low.

As I said fiction that proves nothing at all. Genetics shows that 90% of the worlds Jews carry the same markers as the Jews from Biblical times.

 

[Phoenall]

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"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

Ben Gurion

Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

Yep, the early Zionist leaders were often very brutal, but they were at least honest people.

The today Zionists are often dishonest people, because they deny obvious things that were never denied by their predecessors.

Define Zionist in your own words ?

 

[Phoenall]

If you are German, which I think you are, you should be the last one to talk of bestialities.

What has my citizenship or my ancestry to do with the facts that I am pointing out in this forum?

My parents and grandparents did not live in Germany during WWII, they were victims of the bestialities of non-Christian Bolsheviks.

So do not try to play the "Nazi-Card", this does not have any effect on me.

What to the bestialities of Zionists, committed in Deir Yassin - these bestialities are documented facts.
Who kills children and pregnant women is a sadist.

Who supports and defends the mass murder of children is a sadist and you support and defend Palestinian attempted mass murders of children.

 

[aris2chat]

>>Arab sources do not mention Khazars as Jews...

Of course they do!

... and contemporary Jewish responsa show no trace of Khazarian Jews<<

Contemporary Zionist propaganda denies the history of Ashkenazi Jews that was accepted by all prominent Jewish historians before the "Jewish people" were invented by Zionists.

There are demographic, linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence that confirm the history of Ashkenazim being the descendants of Khazars.

http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/u...d-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-2009.pdf

The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses

And the IQ evidence confirms the non-Semitic origin of Ashkenazim, too.

If they were Semites, their IQ would be similar to the average IQ of Semites, be these Semites Muslims, Christians or Jews.

What to the topic of this thread - it has already been proven with facts that the civilian population of Palestine was afraid of the bestialities of Zionists, that is the reason why many civilians had to flee. But this does not mean that they have lost their right to return to their homes, which is guaranteed by the international low.

Too funny
One says nothing about the Khazars being discribed a jews in arab history, not 19th or 20th C propaganda.
The other says that genetics show the eastern european jews share DNA with others eastern and russian people.

Lets think, all the billions of peope that converted to Islam or christianity before the 8th C are actually not muslims or christians?
The handful of Jewish converts have been jew for more than 1000 yrs and would have intermarried with other jews, and so forth. There might still be markers of their turk back ground, but they are also jews by birth.

It is not like they decided to live in Israel and converted two months before trying to move there.

If a black and white couple have children, their children, no matter their physical shade are both black and white. Children born from jewish parents are jews.
even if back more than a thousands years there was once a parent that converted.

There are not records of a large kazar jewish population in the arab records. If there had been there would have been move evidence. Calling eastern jews kazars is a misnomer. Just more fodder for hate, abuse and anti-semitism.

Jews dispersed to where ever they could for a time find haven. Many did settle in the east but they were still jews. It is incorrect to call all eastern jews as false jews or converts.

They have a right to live with others of their kind and to practice their faith with other jews.

Would Mecca require DNA test before allowing muslims to participate in the haj? If they intermarried with arabs, would be they forbidden from living in an arab country? Would their children if raised as muslims be forbidden arab ID? A thousand years later if a DNA test shows a marker that is not pure arab, would they be banished from living with other muslims?

Every religion has a few converts (unless they live in total isolation) along the way, but after they live and intermarry through the centuries they have a right to be called jews. In judaism the line is pasted through the women. In zoroastranism the line is through the men. Half breeds can and do become part of the racial and religious community over time. Druze can marry outside the faith and males that have children can request they be recognized by the community as druze.

A thousand years or more as jews, they are jews. Period

 

[ForeverYoung436]

>>Arab sources do not mention Khazars as Jews...

Of course they do!

... and contemporary Jewish responsa show no trace of Khazarian Jews<<

Contemporary Zionist propaganda denies the history of Ashkenazi Jews that was accepted by all prominent Jewish historians before the "Jewish people" were invented by Zionists.

There are demographic, linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence that confirm the history of Ashkenazim being the descendants of Khazars.

http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/u...d-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-2009.pdf

The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses

And the IQ evidence confirms the non-Semitic origin of Ashkenazim, too.

If they were Semites, their IQ would be similar to the average IQ of Semites, be these Semites Muslims, Christians or Jews.

What to the topic of this thread - it has already been proven with facts that the civilian population of Palestine was afraid of the bestialities of Zionists, that is the reason why many civilians had to flee. But this does not mean that they have lost their right to return to their homes, which is guaranteed by the international low.

Unless they agree to be compensated.

As for the Khazar theory, what about it? King David was descended from converts.

 

[Billo_Really]

Define Zionist in your own words ?

Asshole.

The definition of Zionist, is asshole.