In 1948, Arabs threatened Palestinians with violence if they didn't leave Israel before the attack

[montelatici]

But over time these become part of the religious groups DNA Genome. Which is why the arabs have a different Genome to the Jews.

It seems that you do not understand simple basic things.

What Arabs are you talking about?

Arabs is not a religious group, it is a linguistic group.

Most Arabs are Muslims, but many of them are Christians or Jews.

Yes, there was mass conversion of Arabs to Judaism in the Middle ages, and before most Arabs became Muslims, many of them were Christians.

Himyarite Kingdom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

As we see, Khazars were not the only pagans that converted to Judaism, a lot of different tribes (Arabs, Berbers, Khazars, Slavs and even some Germanic tribes) converted in the Middle Ages to Judaism.

And many oriental Jews still identify themselves as Arabs of Mosaic faith. Their native language is Arabic, and they have the same culture, as Arabs.

Benjamin Disraeli, the first and only British prime minister of Jewish extraction, described Jews as "Mosaic Arabs".

The Mosaic Arabs Comment is free The Guardian

They even have different Genomes depending on which area they came from ...

Yes, agree with that. Arabs are just a linguistic group, not a nation or people.

But stupid Zionists constantly talk about "them Arabs", as if they were one single people. They talk about the "Arab land", and that is idiotic.

Nevertheless, it is obvious that the difference between different pagan tribes, that converted to Judaism, is even bigger than the difference between different groups of Arabs, be these Arabs Muslims, Christians or Jews.

Only crazy people can believe that African, Asiatic and European Jews are the same people or are closely related to each others.

You do not have to do any genetic tests, you have just to look at them.

Nah, Arabs are barbaric invaders from Arabia that shoved their religion, culture, and language down the throats of the people they invaded at the point of the sword. Islam = Arab Imperialism.

But the Jews were allied with the Muslims when they attacked the Byzantine Christians. How do you rationalize that?

 

[Roudy]

Well Ruddy, you posted quite a few links to Zionist propaganda sites, but was the Arab Jew woman's site false, in your opinion?

It isn't a Zionist or a propaganda site, you antisemitic lying piece of shit, it's a site created by Middle Eastern Jews who wish to preserve their culture and history:

JIMENA s Mission and History

JIMENA’s Mission Statement:

JIMENA aims to achieve universal recognition for the heritage and history of the 850,000 indigenous Jewish refugees from the Middle East and North Africa. Our programs aim to ensure that the accurate history of Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews is incorporated into mainstream Jewish and Middle Eastern narratives in order to create balance in attitudes, narratives, and discourse about Middle Eastern refugees and the modern Jewish experience.

Need:
In the early 20th century, under the heavy weight of Anti-Jewish governments and policy, nearly one million Jews from the Middle East and North Africa had their property confiscated, basic human rights stripped, and were systematically persecuted and victimized. Ultimately these Jews were forced to flee their homes and surrender their nationalities, becoming the “Forgotten Refugees” of the Middle East and North Africa. UN Resolution 242 asserted that Jews fleeing Arab countries were ‘bona fide’ refugees, yet the international community, the media and North American educational systems have continuously ignored their plight and their losses.

Revisionist history of the Middle East conveniently excludes the fact that over half of Israel’s Jewish population live there not because European atrocities during World War II, but because of Anti-Jewish Arab governments who dispossessed and displaced their native Jewish populations following the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. Adopted narratives of the Arab-Israeli conflict fail to address the fact that Israel was the largest refugee camp in the Middle East, providing safe haven to some 650,000 dispossessed Middle Eastern and North African Jewish refugees whose ancestors had a continuous presence in the region for over 3,000 years.

Incorporating the Sephardic and Mizrahi experience into mainstream North American Jewish life, enriches Jewish communities, strengthens cultural continuity with Israel, bridges gaps between Jewish and Middle Eastern communities and emphasizes Jewish entrenchment in the Middle East.

Organizational History:
In 2001, as the world was reeling from the September 11th World Trade Center terror attacks in New York, a group of former Jewish refugees from the Middle East and North Africa decided it was time to share their personal stories of religious oppression, displacement, material loss and fractured identities. Jews from Arab countries had lived continuously in the Middle East and North Africa for over 3,000 years, yet revisionist history of the region excluded their modern story of dispossession and plight. JIMENA’s co-founders wanted to empower students and adult audiences with a deeper, personal understanding of the conflicts and cultural nuances in the region.

Since JIMENA’s formation, we have launched numerous campaigns and projects to ensure that the history of Jewish refugees from Arab countries is well documented and included in discourse involving Middle Eastern refugees. Members of JIMENA’s Speakers Bureau have shared their personal stories with the UN Human Rights Council, US Congressional Human Rights Caucus, European and Italian Parliaments, Israeli Knesset, British House of Lords, over 80 Universities in North America and hundreds of organizations. As the only organization in North America focused on educating and advocating on behalf of Jewish refugees from Arab countries, the Israeli government has requested that JIMENA continue to play a key leadership role in international initiatives to advance this issue.

Each month, the JIMENA website receives close to 200,000 hits from around the world attesting to international interest in the issue of Jewish refugees from Arab countries. We have led a number of effective Jewish refugee advocacy training seminars, educating students and adults on how to incorporate the issue of Jewish refugees into a broader discussion of how the Middle East has developed today. Since our formation, we have become a leader of the Jewish multicultural movement and have successfully created cultural continuity between Jewish communities in Israel and the United States. We have produced hundreds of cultural events, introducing and engaging with a diversity of audiences in the ancient and beautiful traditions of Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews.

 

[Roudy]

But over time these become part of the religious groups DNA Genome. Which is why the arabs have a different Genome to the Jews.

It seems that you do not understand simple basic things.

What Arabs are you talking about?

Arabs is not a religious group, it is a linguistic group.

Most Arabs are Muslims, but many of them are Christians or Jews.

Yes, there was mass conversion of Arabs to Judaism in the Middle ages, and before most Arabs became Muslims, many of them were Christians.

Himyarite Kingdom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

As we see, Khazars were not the only pagans that converted to Judaism, a lot of different tribes (Arabs, Berbers, Khazars, Slavs and even some Germanic tribes) converted in the Middle Ages to Judaism.

And many oriental Jews still identify themselves as Arabs of Mosaic faith. Their native language is Arabic, and they have the same culture, as Arabs.

Benjamin Disraeli, the first and only British prime minister of Jewish extraction, described Jews as "Mosaic Arabs".

The Mosaic Arabs Comment is free The Guardian

They even have different Genomes depending on which area they came from ...

Yes, agree with that. Arabs are just a linguistic group, not a nation or people.

But stupid Zionists constantly talk about "them Arabs", as if they were one single people. They talk about the "Arab land", and that is idiotic.

Nevertheless, it is obvious that the difference between different pagan tribes, that converted to Judaism, is even bigger than the difference between different groups of Arabs, be these Arabs Muslims, Christians or Jews.

Only crazy people can believe that African, Asiatic and European Jews are the same people or are closely related to each others.

You do not have to do any genetic tests, you have just to look at them.

Nah, Arabs are barbaric invaders from Arabia that shoved their religion, culture, and language down the throats of the people they invaded at the point of the sword. Islam = Arab Imperialism.

But the Jews were allied with the Muslims when they attacked the Byzantine Christians. How do you rationalize that?

Now after being made a fool once more, MonteNazi tries to change the subject again.

Muslims invaded Christian lands and prompted the Crusades and Inquisitions, and Jews have been stuck in the middle of this thousand year tug of war between the two, with the Jewish holy land as the grand prize.

 

[montelatici]

The only fool you make is yourself. Watch your libel, you may have to be punished again. But, even if I usually don't like to use wiki, I checked and Hasbara has not edited this:

"Massacre of Jerusalem[edit]
Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9]However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege."

History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

The only fool you make is yourself. Watch your libel, you may have to be punished again. But, even if I usually don't like to use wiki, I checked and Hasbara has not edited this:

"Massacre of Jerusalem[edit]
Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9]However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege."

History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yawn, so not only does he go off topic, but he cites wikipedia, a website he calls an Israel Hasbara propoganda site! I am beginning to believe that like Sherri, there are several Monte's posting on this board, all paid propagandists occupying this screen name Monte. This is not the religion forum, moron. You want me to discuss the Crusades and Muslim Jihad's, let's take it to the history or religion forum, and I will humiliate you there as well.

 

[montelatici]

You humiliate no one, you only humiliate yourself.

 

[Roudy]

I just humiliate you like 8 times in this very thread.

 

[montelatici]

I just humiliate you like 8 times in this very thread.

Sure you did. LOL

 

[Roudy]

Sure I did. And every time you tried to go off topic, just as you did now.

 

[montelatici]

Sure I did. And every time you tried to go off topic, just as you did now.

There, there take a chill pill. You are the easiest Zionist to make a fool of. Everyone knows that, even the other Zionists.

 

[aris2chat]

The only fool you make is yourself. Watch your libel, you may have to be punished again. But, even if I usually don't like to use wiki, I checked and Hasbara has not edited this:

"Massacre of Jerusalem[edit]
Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9]However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege."

History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yawn, so not only does he go off topic, but he cites wikipedia, a website he calls an Israel Hasbara propoganda site! I am beginning to believe that like Sherri, there are several Monte's posting on this board, all paid propagandists occupying this screen name Monte. This is not the religion forum, moron. You want me to discuss the Crusades and Muslim Jihad's, let's take it to the history or religion forum, and I will humiliate you there as well.

Information only suits him when he can use it to support his own hate

 

[Roudy]

The only fool you make is yourself. Watch your libel, you may have to be punished again. But, even if I usually don't like to use wiki, I checked and Hasbara has not edited this:

"Massacre of Jerusalem[edit]
Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9]However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege."

History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yawn, so not only does he go off topic, but he cites wikipedia, a website he calls an Israel Hasbara propoganda site! I am beginning to believe that like Sherri, there are several Monte's posting on this board, all paid propagandists occupying this screen name Monte. This is not the religion forum, moron. You want me to discuss the Crusades and Muslim Jihad's, let's take it to the history or religion forum, and I will humiliate you there as well.

Information only suits him when he can use it to support his own hate

Yeah, he's an expert at it. It's almost as if he's gotten training in spreading this garbage. I still think there it's more than one Monte, one not keep track of what the other says. Just like it was with Sherri. There was like four of them, operating in several shifts.

 

[montelatici]

The only fool you make is yourself. Watch your libel, you may have to be punished again. But, even if I usually don't like to use wiki, I checked and Hasbara has not edited this:

"Massacre of Jerusalem[edit]
Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9]However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege."

History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yawn, so not only does he go off topic, but he cites wikipedia, a website he calls an Israel Hasbara propoganda site! I am beginning to believe that like Sherri, there are several Monte's posting on this board, all paid propagandists occupying this screen name Monte. This is not the religion forum, moron. You want me to discuss the Crusades and Muslim Jihad's, let's take it to the history or religion forum, and I will humiliate you there as well.

Information only suits him when he can use it to support his own hate

The same information is available in historical texts. As a Wiki editor I log in and can see the edits. There weren't many on this entry and they were mostly grammatical. I don't use Wiki for recent events when they concern partisan issues. Why do you hate Christians Aris?

 

[Roudy]

The only fool you make is yourself. Watch your libel, you may have to be punished again. But, even if I usually don't like to use wiki, I checked and Hasbara has not edited this:

"Massacre of Jerusalem[edit]
Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9]However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege."

History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yawn, so not only does he go off topic, but he cites wikipedia, a website he calls an Israel Hasbara propoganda site! I am beginning to believe that like Sherri, there are several Monte's posting on this board, all paid propagandists occupying this screen name Monte. This is not the religion forum, moron. You want me to discuss the Crusades and Muslim Jihad's, let's take it to the history or religion forum, and I will humiliate you there as well.

Information only suits him when he can use it to support his own hate

The same information is available in historical texts. As a Wiki editor I log in and can see the edits. There weren't many on this entry and they were mostly grammatical. I don't use Wiki for recent events when they concern partisan issues. Why do you hate Christians Aris?

Who gives a fuck. You've been bashing wiki for being a Hasbara site and now you quote it.

Now you question other people's faiths just because they don't hate Jews like you do. You're truly disgusting.

 

[flacaltenn]

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[Roudy]

It's been conclusively proven that Arabs threatened the so called Palestinians to clear out, prior to the 1948 attack on the nascent Jewish state. There was no "mass evictions" by Jews as the false propagandists and historical revisionists have claimed. Most if not all evacuations were caused by the attacking Arab armies.

True story.

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).

 

[montelatici]

The only fool you make is yourself. Watch your libel, you may have to be punished again. But, even if I usually don't like to use wiki, I checked and Hasbara has not edited this:

"Massacre of Jerusalem[edit]
Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9]However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege."

History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yawn, so not only does he go off topic, but he cites wikipedia, a website he calls an Israel Hasbara propoganda site! I am beginning to believe that like Sherri, there are several Monte's posting on this board, all paid propagandists occupying this screen name Monte. This is not the religion forum, moron. You want me to discuss the Crusades and Muslim Jihad's, let's take it to the history or religion forum, and I will humiliate you there as well.

Information only suits him when he can use it to support his own hate

The same information is available in historical texts. As a Wiki editor I log in and can see the edits. There weren't many on this entry and they were mostly grammatical. I don't use Wiki for recent events when they concern partisan issues. Why do you hate Christians Aris?

Who gives a fuck. You've been bashing wiki for being a Hasbara site and now you quote it.

Now you question other people's faiths just because they don't hate Jews like you do. You're truly disgusting.

I don't hate Jews. Aris supports the Salafists in Syria that want to eliminate the Syrian Christians. You don't think it is a reasonable question?

 

[Roudy]

This revealing quote has been found to be true:

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

 

[aris2chat]

This revealing quote has been found to be true:

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

Palestinians should know the truth, the illusion of the rest of the world should have ended long ago

 

[montelatici]

Ruddy's quote is faked, Aris.