In light of the attacks in Paris...shall we discuss gun control?

[2aguy]

No...if they know there are armed people they will go somewhere that they know is gun free...they want to kill, not get into a gun fight...notice they didn't attack a police station or military base...right? you twit.

They are suicidal dumbass. They are looking for large groups to blow up.

They did not attack the French military or the French special police...they attacked people they knew would have no guns fight back.........

Where they going to find a large group of police or military in one big room that doesn't have tight security? Everything you say is impressively stupid gunbot.

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

 

[Brain357]

They are suicidal dumbass. They are looking for large groups to blow up.

They did not attack the French military or the French special police...they attacked people they knew would have no guns fight back.........

Where they going to find a large group of police or military in one big room that doesn't have tight security? Everything you say is impressively stupid gunbot.

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

 

[Liminal]

Does anyone think that these attackers only used 10 round magazines.....considering that all magazines are illegal in France....

Does anyone think that there is never a need for a normal citizen to carry a gun for protection and to have the ability to carry a standard capacity pistol magazine...meaning some of the models that carry 15-19 rounds.....and do you think that some of the victims..tonight...wish they had a gun on them at the time of the attack? Or do you think they would still stand by being disarmed if they were alive to contemplate the idea?

You and your Glock couldn't have done anything to stop an attack like this. You live in a fantasy world.

1.5 million Americans prove you are wrong...

And maybe you can tell me....why didn't these guys attack a French military base...or a French police station?

Maybe you just don't quite get the meaning of the word "terrorist". If they were attacking military bases it wouldn't be very terrorizing for the civilian population....now would it.

 

[2aguy]

Oh good grief....those poor French...they have to listen to john "swift boat liar" kerry speak to them in French....I feel sorry for them.

 

[2aguy]

They did not attack the French military or the French special police...they attacked people they knew would have no guns fight back.........

Where they going to find a large group of police or military in one big room that doesn't have tight security? Everything you say is impressively stupid gunbot.

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

Wow....you need help....

They won't get past the door because there are men with guns stopping you...hence fatalities will be limited...

 

[Liminal]

They are suicidal dumbass. They are looking for large groups to blow up.

They did not attack the French military or the French special police...they attacked people they knew would have no guns fight back.........

Where they going to find a large group of police or military in one big room that doesn't have tight security? Everything you say is impressively stupid gunbot.

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No one is allowed to bring a gun into a concert in this country either.

 

[rightwinger]

You're whack dude. None of the school shooters have a long history of violence or even criminality. The guy who shoots at kids at a gas station over loud music or the retired police chief who shoots a man dead in a movie theater for throwing popcorn weren't career criminals. This stuff happens all of the time.

And here is more research....mass shooting victims vs. total gun murders....

total gun murders in 2014 from the FBI table 8.... 8,124

Total victims of mass shootings 2014.... 9

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 13 million.

Accidental gun deaths.....505
On purpose gun deaths.......31,500

And you lie....

gun murder in 2014.... 8,124 by people with long histories of violence and criminal records

13 million normal people carrying guns and only 505 accidental gun deaths in 2013....

The rest are suicides.....and of course you didn't post the 19,000 people in the United STates who committed suicide without guns...or the Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans with no access to gun who commit suicide at 2x our rate...

8,124 gun murders

1.5 million violent attacks stopped by normal Americans with guns.....

13 million people carrying guns...

505 accidental gun deaths....

Those numbers show you are a fool.

I fail to see the purpose of you bragging about 505 accidental gun deaths when it only highlights the 30,000 where someone intentionally pulled the trigger

Of course you wouldn't...because you are a fool...

In a country of over 320 million people...with over 320 million guns in private hands and over 13 million people carrying guns...

There are only 505 accidental gun deaths.....505.....out of 320 million people...


19,000 people in the United States commit suicide without guns...which means the other 21,000 people who used guns would change methods...to what the other 19,000 people used...guns are not the issue....

gun murder in 2014.... 8,124

violent attacks stopped.... 1.5 million

Use your toes if you have to to understand the numbers.

Do you know what the difference between an accident and an on purpose is?

Accident is oops
On purpose you pull the trigger and blow someone's fucking brains out

Our problem with guns is 30,000 on purposes

 

[2aguy]

Does anyone think that these attackers only used 10 round magazines.....considering that all magazines are illegal in France....

Does anyone think that there is never a need for a normal citizen to carry a gun for protection and to have the ability to carry a standard capacity pistol magazine...meaning some of the models that carry 15-19 rounds.....and do you think that some of the victims..tonight...wish they had a gun on them at the time of the attack? Or do you think they would still stand by being disarmed if they were alive to contemplate the idea?

You and your Glock couldn't have done anything to stop an attack like this. You live in a fantasy world.

1.5 million Americans prove you are wrong...

And maybe you can tell me....why didn't these guys attack a French military base...or a French police station?

Maybe you just don't quite get the meaning of the word "terrorist". If they were attacking military bases it wouldn't be very terrorizing for the civilian population....now would it.

Again.....they attacked unarmed civilians....because they want to kill lots of people and they don't want people with guns to stop them....

 

[2aguy]

They did not attack the French military or the French special police...they attacked people they knew would have no guns fight back.........

Where they going to find a large group of police or military in one big room that doesn't have tight security? Everything you say is impressively stupid gunbot.

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No one is allowed to bring a gun into a concert in this country either.

Yes.....and when it happens here, in our legally created gun free zones...and they will know where those are....... there will be a lot of dead, just like in France....

 

[Brain357]

Where they going to find a large group of police or military in one big room that doesn't have tight security? Everything you say is impressively stupid gunbot.

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

Wow....you need help....

They won't get past the door because there are men with guns stopping you...hence fatalities will be limited...

Yes. Civilians aren't in high security areas like that. They get in and detonate themselves. The armed are just as dead as the unarmed.

 

[2aguy]

And here is more research....mass shooting victims vs. total gun murders....

total gun murders in 2014 from the FBI table 8.... 8,124

Total victims of mass shootings 2014.... 9

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 13 million.

Accidental gun deaths.....505
On purpose gun deaths.......31,500

And you lie....

gun murder in 2014.... 8,124 by people with long histories of violence and criminal records

13 million normal people carrying guns and only 505 accidental gun deaths in 2013....

The rest are suicides.....and of course you didn't post the 19,000 people in the United STates who committed suicide without guns...or the Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans with no access to gun who commit suicide at 2x our rate...

8,124 gun murders

1.5 million violent attacks stopped by normal Americans with guns.....

13 million people carrying guns...

505 accidental gun deaths....

Those numbers show you are a fool.

I fail to see the purpose of you bragging about 505 accidental gun deaths when it only highlights the 30,000 where someone intentionally pulled the trigger

Of course you wouldn't...because you are a fool...

In a country of over 320 million people...with over 320 million guns in private hands and over 13 million people carrying guns...

There are only 505 accidental gun deaths.....505.....out of 320 million people...


19,000 people in the United States commit suicide without guns...which means the other 21,000 people who used guns would change methods...to what the other 19,000 people used...guns are not the issue....

gun murder in 2014.... 8,124

violent attacks stopped.... 1.5 million

Use your toes if you have to to understand the numbers.

Do you know what the difference between an accident and an on purpose is?

Accident is oops
On purpose you pull the trigger and blow someone's fucking brains out

Our problem with guns is 30,000 on purposes

You don't seem to know the difference...the Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans "on purpose" kill themselves without any guns...so guns are not the issue..............

On purpose here is 8,124 gun murders by criminals mostly killing other criminals....that is what actual research shows.....

bill clinton and his justice department show that 1.5 million Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack....

8,124 gun murders (criminal vs. criminal, mostly)

1.5 million violent crimes stopped by normal Americans....

Which number is bigger?

 

[Asclepias]

I dont live in Paris. Why would I be worried about what cops are trained for there?

 

[2aguy]

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

Wow....you need help....

They won't get past the door because there are men with guns stopping you...hence fatalities will be limited...

Yes. Civilians aren't in high security areas like that. They get in and detonate themselves. The armed are just as dead as the unarmed.

and yet the specifically target places where no one has a gun to stop them.......and avoid places with people with guns.....

 

[JimBowie1958]

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

PAris was already at high security, dumbass, and the terrorists broke a great many laws in their attacks.

You stupid gun grabbing fucktards will never learn that legal prohibitions on guns only affects people that have respect for the laws, and that usually does not include criminals or terrorists.

 

[Brain357]

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

Wow....you need help....

They won't get past the door because there are men with guns stopping you...hence fatalities will be limited...

Yes. Civilians aren't in high security areas like that. They get in and detonate themselves. The armed are just as dead as the unarmed.

and yet the specifically target places where no one has a gun to stop them.......and avoid places with people with guns.....

Police are often targeted in Iraq and Afghanistan. The guns don't matter to suicide bombers. You can't be this stupid.

 

[2aguy]

What does "tight security" matter...you seem to think armed people don't matter to these attackers...you keep saying so...so again...why didn't they attack a French Military Base, or the French Special Police.......you know...guys with guns....

Explain that......try to......

They attacked people they knew would be helpless......same thing with mass shooters all over the world...they go to gun free zones to kill, not engage in a shoot out....

Tight security means at best they will have to detonate are the door with limited fatalities.

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

Wow....you need help....

They won't get past the door because there are men with guns stopping you...hence fatalities will be limited...

Yes. Civilians aren't in high security areas like that. They get in and detonate themselves. The armed are just as dead as the unarmed.

Yes. Civilians aren't in high security areas like that. They get in and detonate themselves. The armed are just as dead as the unarmed.

And yet, they know the civilians have no guns...and target those unarmed civilians, instead of going to the Special Police Headquarters to blow up their bombs, or the military police with armed guards at the gates.......

 

[2aguy]

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

PAris was already at high security, dumbass, and the terrorists broke a great many laws in their attacks.

You stupid gun grabbing fucktards will never learn that legal prohibitions on guns only affects people that have respect for the laws, and that usually does not include criminals or terrorists.

Thanks, debating with these morons gets old pretty fast...thanks for the help.

 

[Brain357]

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

PAris was already at high security, dumbass, and the terrorists broke a great many laws in their attacks.

You stupid gun grabbing fucktards will never learn that legal prohibitions on guns only affects people that have respect for the laws, and that usually does not include criminals or terrorists.

I haven't suggested grabbing anyone's gun fucktard.

 

[2aguy]

Tight security means men with guns....who will shoot them and stop them.....a French concert, a country with extreme gun control...no one will have a gun...and so they can kill until the special police arrive...with guns.

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

Wow....you need help....

They won't get past the door because there are men with guns stopping you...hence fatalities will be limited...

Yes. Civilians aren't in high security areas like that. They get in and detonate themselves. The armed are just as dead as the unarmed.

and yet the specifically target places where no one has a gun to stop them.......and avoid places with people with guns.....

Police are often targeted in Iraq and Afghanistan. The guns don't matter to suicide bombers. You can't be this stupid.

They don't have a choice in Iraq and Afghanistan....if they want to kill Americans the only Americans there are heavily armed...wait till they do it over here....I guarantee you that like the attack on the cartoonists in Texas, and the Medical Center in Fort Hood where none of the soldiers had guns...they will specifically target gun free zones.......so no one can stop them from murdering innocent people....

 

[2aguy]

No it means they won't get past the door with guns and bombs. So hence the fatalities will be limited.

PAris was already at high security, dumbass, and the terrorists broke a great many laws in their attacks.

You stupid gun grabbing fucktards will never learn that legal prohibitions on guns only affects people that have respect for the laws, and that usually does not include criminals or terrorists.

I haven't suggested grabbing anyone's gun fucktard.

No...but you just attack any time someone defends the 2nd Amendment...you are like dick durban and the other lefty morons....as my favorite radio host Dan Proft says...you have learned to say unreasonable things in a reasonable way....