In light of the attacks in Paris...shall we discuss gun control?

[westwall]

We are not talking trained concealed carriers. We are talking redneck gun nuts with Rambo fantasies

We are talking about 300 million guns in the hands of a mostly untrained populace

Theses are the people you are expecting to "keep us safe"

So far, they have done a shitty job of it

I can't disagree with that reasoning, which is why I strongly advocate a rigid qualification or training requirement for CCW. If one wishes to carry a concealed handgun one should know how, why and when to use it.

And yet those 300 million firearms kill fewer people than doctors do. Hell other than the criminal misuse by the gangbangers who revel in murdering each other on a daily basis, the actual murder rate of firearms is very low.

 

[2aguy]

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Sooooo....you are wrong.....completely wrong....you simply watch the democrats on the news and accept what they tell you..actual research shows they are wrong..

All Democrats are not anti-gun. So thinking in such vaguely categorical terms tends to be misleading and dilutes the need for accuracy.

I was a registered Republican dating back to the Goldwater years. I realized the direction that party was moving in during the Reagan years, so I re-registered as a Democrat in the mid-80s -- only because there is no Independent Party in New Jersey and I wish to vote in primaries.

Journalists vote overwhelmingly democrat...and they push gun control.

 

[Brain357]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

 

[2aguy]

We are not talking trained concealed carriers. We are talking redneck gun nuts with Rambo fantasies

We are talking about 300 million guns in the hands of a mostly untrained populace

Theses are the people you are expecting to "keep us safe"

So far, they have done a shitty job of it

I can't disagree with that reasoning, which is why I strongly advocate a rigid qualification or training requirement for CCW. If one wishes to carry a concealed handgun one should know how, why and when to use it.

And yet those 300 million firearms kill fewer people than doctors do. Hell other than the criminal misuse by the gangbangers who revel in murdering each other on a daily basis, the actual murder rate of firearms is very low.

I hope all is well with your people....

 

[MikeK]

Sorry twit, gun won't help you from suicide bombers.

It won't protect you in head-on auto collisions, house-fires or food-poisoning, either. So let's stay focused on circumstances in which a gun could help you (or me) to stay alive. Not a guarantee but a possibility.

 

[2aguy]

The muslims do......

The liberals are so stupid they can't process that cheering gun deaths in countries that ban them is counter to their argument, it doesn't support it. The more wrong liberals are, the smugger they are about it

that is one of their strange traits, isn't it........they are wrong and proudly wrong on so many issues...

I just had to highlight your mocking the Dutch at the expense of 129 dead French. Who is cheering gun deaths anywhere?
And I would bet $$$ you had to Google Theo van Gogh, too.

are you addressing me...I knew about Theo Van Gogh when he was murdered...it was actually covered by conservative media..unlike the democrat media that ignored the fact that he was stabbed, and shot and had the knife left in his chest with a note on it...and then the killer, in court, said he wished he could kill his family as well......

No, I was addressing KazTwit. But now that you've stepped in it, why don't you prove the "democrat media ignored the fact that he was stabbed"? Oh, here let me do it for you. So you can STFU now:

Dutch Filmmaker, an Islam Critic, Is Killed
By MARLISE SIMONS NOV. 3, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/world/europe/dutch-filmmaker-an-islam-critic-is-killed.html?_r=0

"""The man suspected of killing Mr. van Gogh fired several shots at about 8:30 a.m., then crossed the street and stabbed him several times with a knife, a police spokesman said. Witnesses told the police that the assailant then stuck a note on his victim's chest with the knife.""

Righties always shoot their mouth off first and don't ask any questions later.

yeah...try that on someone else...how long did it take to point out it was a Muslim...and how much actual,coverage was there...little to none......get real....

 

[2aguy]

What is there to discuss? Seems those strict gun laws in France and the rest of Europe did not prevent anything other than stopping the victims from protecting themselves.

and at least one of the killers was on a government terrorist watch list...like two of the Charlie Hebdo killers were......all of the gun laws that our anti gun extremists want here...and they can't even stop a mass shooting of this scale done with completely illegal, fully automatic rifles..

anyone following my posts know I have said that the criminals in Europe prefer fully auto weapons...our criminals prefer concealable handguns.....culture, not guns is the problem.....criminal culture, not normal gun owner culture....

 

[westwall]

So do the Dutch celebrate Theo van Gogh's murder, too?

The muslims do......

The liberals are so stupid they can't process that cheering gun deaths in countries that ban them is counter to their argument, it doesn't support it. The more wrong liberals are, the smugger they are about it

that is one of their strange traits, isn't it........they are wrong and proudly wrong on so many issues...

I just had to highlight your mocking the Dutch at the expense of 129 dead French. Who is cheering gun deaths anywhere?
And I would bet $$$ you had to Google Theo van Gogh, too.

Um...he was mocking you, Holmes, not the Dutch. You know they offer remedial reading classes

NTPP suffers from cognitive dissonance. Oh yeah, they are pretty retarded too. They seem to always figure out a way to ignore the OP and spew nonsense. The facts are had a few people been armed in the theatre there wouldn't be over 100 dead in there.

 

[2aguy]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

but the majority of attacks happen against unarmed civilians.......just like our mass shooters here.......and I notice that when the police are attacked...they don't call for their guns to be thrown away...do they?


and again...shooting a bomber farther away saves lives...and has been pointed out by other posters...they did not appear to have dead man switches...which means you shoot them and kill or disable them...no detonation.

 

[2aguy]

again...all you anti gun types...watch "Terror in the Mall" about the terrorists who attacked the mall in Kenya........they have the entire attack on video feeds and you can see every place where an armed civilian could have stopped the attackers...and where unarmed civilians were executed.....they show all of the killing...the people hiding behind the counter in the store...the guy hiding under the large animal decoration.....had they had guns, they could have saved their own lives and the lives of others...."

 

[2aguy]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

and that negates my point how? they attack gun free zones.....

Here...shall we compare the death toll vs. attacks on well armed police stations...and those against unarmed civilian locations......?

 

[Brain357]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

but the majority of attacks happen against unarmed civilians.......just like our mass shooters here.......and I notice that when the police are attacked...they don't call for their guns to be thrown away...do they?


and again...shooting a bomber farther away saves lives...and has been pointed out by other posters...they did not appear to have dead man switches...which means you shoot them and kill or disable them...no detonation.

You won't know they are s bomber till they blow up. They won't warn you so you can shoot them far away.

 

[Brain357]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

and that negates my point how? they attack gun free zones.....

Here...shall we compare the death toll vs. attacks on well armed police stations...and those against unarmed civilian locations......?

Armed doesn't matter. How many people were armed on 9/11? It doesn't matter.

 

[2aguy]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

but the majority of attacks happen against unarmed civilians.......just like our mass shooters here.......and I notice that when the police are attacked...they don't call for their guns to be thrown away...do they?


and again...shooting a bomber farther away saves lives...and has been pointed out by other posters...they did not appear to have dead man switches...which means you shoot them and kill or disable them...no detonation.

You won't know they are s bomber till they blow up. They won't warn you so you can shoot them far away.

That is why you shoot them when they initially expose themselves...these guys were in the theater for an hour......killing...and did not explode their vests until what happened.....guys with guns showed up.....

So...if you are in a situation where a guy stands up and shouts Allah Akbar and pulls out a gun....shoot him...as far away from yourself as you can...that covers all the fucking bases.....

 

[2aguy]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

and that negates my point how? they attack gun free zones.....

Here...shall we compare the death toll vs. attacks on well armed police stations...and those against unarmed civilian locations......?

Armed doesn't matter. How many people were armed on 9/11? It doesn't matter.

Tell that to the lives saved by people with guns.....

 

[2aguy]

And now for the real problem.......they learn. They see how successful they were against large, unarmed civilian targets.....so why on earth would they waste any future attacks against well armed police or military targets.........

And get ready.....they are coming here....

 

[westwall]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

and that negates my point how? they attack gun free zones.....

Here...shall we compare the death toll vs. attacks on well armed police stations...and those against unarmed civilian locations......?

Armed doesn't matter. How many people were armed on 9/11? It doesn't matter.

Non sequitur's don't help your case moron. Huge difference between a mass assault carried out by gun men and flying jets into a building. Of course I don't expect a mental cripple like you to understand the difference.

 

[2aguy]

Having lived in parts or rural France I can say with certainty most if not all farms have one or more long guns somewhere easily accessible.
Same with farms in the US.
You don't see radical Islamofascists attacking these places.
They only target places where they are sure no one is armed.

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

and that negates my point how? they attack gun free zones.....

Here...shall we compare the death toll vs. attacks on well armed police stations...and those against unarmed civilian locations......?

Armed doesn't matter. How many people were armed on 9/11? It doesn't matter.

No air marshals on those planes and no pilots were armed...and oh....what did we change....we armed pilots.........

 

[2aguy]

Why would you attack a farm with a few people in it?
These people are after maximum impact...nothing to do with whether there are guns there or not.

Again..they did not attack the Special Police Headquarters or a well defended military base...did they?

But they have in many countries as I pointed out.

and that negates my point how? they attack gun free zones.....

Here...shall we compare the death toll vs. attacks on well armed police stations...and those against unarmed civilian locations......?

Armed doesn't matter. How many people were armed on 9/11? It doesn't matter.

Non sequitur's don't help your case moron. Huge difference between a mass assault carried out by gun men and flying jets into a building. Of course I don't expect a mental cripple like you to understand the difference.

And what did we do after 9/11...we started giving pilots....guns.

 

[MikeK]

Another question for liberal turds. They want kinder softer non militarized...or even unarmed...cops.

Yesterday in Paris...8 hardened ISIS Warriors with AK47S and grenades and bombs killed 130 and wounded near 300 more.

Libs...how do you train your kinder softer unarmed cops for these sudden assaults?

Bucs,

First, whether kinder, softer, or brutal hard-ass, yesterday's occurrence makes it clear that cops are not always the answer, whether American or French and regardless of how well-trained and well-armed, when the cops are not available, which is usually the case, it's up to the citizens to protect themselves.

As for American cops, we don't need them to be militarized. That's what we have a National Guard for. But is having cops who are capable of being kind and soft when it's called for but hard-ass when necessary too much to hope for? Or do you think the proper training and supervision could achieve such a flexible standard of conduct?

I think it could, but I would emphasize supervision as the critical factor.