In the name of Islam

[TemplarKormac]

She said Shaheed Didn't go to mosque, implying he is not a Muslim. She based her constant claim that he's mentally ill on a comment made by his mother alone. The brother said otherwise, and no psychiatrist has commented. I don't really understand what you're getting at otherwise.

What she did was inadvertently prove our case. Instead of dismissing his being Muslim outright and just mentally ill, as she had been during the entire thread, she raised possibility of him being a member of Islam who was mentally ill.

I caught on to that after I put the last nail in. But now that we all know he was a perfectly sane Muslim, the case has been rested.

 

[Kondor3]

...So what are you going to do with American citizens who happen to be Muslim?

I haven't got a clue.

 

[Flopper]

Masjid

Masjid Mujahideen.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

masjid

Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihād[dʒiˈhæːd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning the act of "striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering".[1] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen (مجاهدين).

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TemplarKormac]

Masjid

Masjid Mujahideen.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

masjid

Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihād[dʒiˈhæːd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning the act of "striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering".[1] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen (مجاهدين).

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims[6] and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Many observers—both Muslim[7] and non-Muslim[8]—as well as the Dictionary of Islam,[3] talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle (the "greater jihad"), and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam (the "lesser jihad")[3][9] which may take a violent or non-violent form.[1][10] Jihad is often translated as "Holy War",[11][12][13] although this term is controversial.[14][15] According to orientalist Bernard Lewis, "the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists", and specialists in the hadith "understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense."[16] Javed Ahmad Ghamidi states that there is consensus among Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[17]

 

[Seawytch]

You seem to think *you* know all about them. How about taking your own advice?

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam.

You're claiming he isn't. What evidence do you base that on?

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidance.

The man said he did it for Islam.

So what? What is the significance? Here are your choices:

1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

*If number 2 is your choice, then you must agree that these individuals are representative of Christianity.

God Told Me To

 

[Coyote]

She said Shaheed Didn't go to mosque, implying he is not a Muslim. She based her constant claim that he's mentally ill on a comment made by his mother alone. The brother said otherwise, and no psychiatrist has commented. I don't really understand what you're getting at otherwise.

What she did was inadvertently prove our case. Instead of dismissing his being Muslim outright and just mentally ill, as she had been during the entire thread, she raised possibility of him being a member of Islam who was mentally ill.

I caught on to that after I put the last nail in. But now that we all know he was a perfectly sane Muslim, the case has been rested.

How about some honesty here Templar? Is that possible coming from you or are you basking in your own ego?

1. I never dismissed that he was a Muslim. I said he was mentally ill, and according to the one Imam hadn't attended a mosque. You don't have to attend a mosque to be a muslim.
2. There is no proof whatsoever he is not mentally ill. That claim, I might add - is being based on his brother alone. So you will discount his mother, but buy into his brother without question?

How is the case "rested" that he is a "perfectly sane" Muslim? What kind of reasoning is that Templar?

 

[Coyote]

If some crazy guy on the street ran up to a cop car shooting and shouting "Jesus told me to kill you!", this thread wouldn't exist.

Please, there would be so many threads started on it that even you would have to consolidate some of them. But since it is a Muslim perpetrator, we are expected to ignore the motivation and blame it on the Bosa Nova or something.

Where are these millions of threads?

Suspected Serial Killer of 20 Victims, Now in Custody, Says God Instructed Him To “Cut Off Children’s Heads”
Mom accused of letting son kill daughter, says God told him to do it
Flanagan says God told him to kill Parker and Ward as payback for Charleston
Virginia Man Who Shot and Killed WDBJ Journalists Said Jehovah Told Him to Act
Mentally ill man slays Man in Manchester “VOICES TOLD ME TO KILL” | BlogEyeHD
Mom Allegedly Tries To Drown Son In Puddle Because Jesus Told Her To
Teacher Says 'Higher Power' Told Him To Attack Kid With Skateboard
Man Allegedly Stabs Grandma, Blames Archangel Michael
Nurse Thinks Grandmother Was Possessed, Beats Her To Death: Cops
Suspect: "Jesus And Mary Told Me To Kill Him Because He Is Satan's Spawn!"

This one is just informative...religion and mental illness, and why they can often be linked: Religion and schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Start them.

Believe it or not, Coyote did little more than to argue for the link between mental illness and religion. Thus, Archer/Shaheed could have still been Muslim and mentally ill at the same time. This runs contrary to the "he wasn't Muslim, just mentally ill" narrative.

I never said he wasn't a Muslim.

 

[Tilly]

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam.

You're claiming he isn't. What evidence do you base that on?

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidance.

The man said he did it for Islam.

So what? What is the significance? Here are your choices:

1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

*If number 2 is your choice, then you must agree that these individuals are representative of Christianity.

God Told Me To

You forgot number 3.

 

[Tilly]

If some crazy guy on the street ran up to a cop car shooting and shouting "Jesus told me to kill you!", this thread wouldn't exist.

Please, there would be so many threads started on it that even you would have to consolidate some of them. But since it is a Muslim perpetrator, we are expected to ignore the motivation and blame it on the Bosa Nova or something.

Where are these millions of threads?

Suspected Serial Killer of 20 Victims, Now in Custody, Says God Instructed Him To “Cut Off Children’s Heads”
Mom accused of letting son kill daughter, says God told him to do it
Flanagan says God told him to kill Parker and Ward as payback for Charleston
Virginia Man Who Shot and Killed WDBJ Journalists Said Jehovah Told Him to Act
Mentally ill man slays Man in Manchester “VOICES TOLD ME TO KILL” | BlogEyeHD
Mom Allegedly Tries To Drown Son In Puddle Because Jesus Told Her To
Teacher Says 'Higher Power' Told Him To Attack Kid With Skateboard
Man Allegedly Stabs Grandma, Blames Archangel Michael
Nurse Thinks Grandmother Was Possessed, Beats Her To Death: Cops
Suspect: "Jesus And Mary Told Me To Kill Him Because He Is Satan's Spawn!"

This one is just informative...religion and mental illness, and why they can often be linked: Religion and schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Start them.

Believe it or not, Coyote did little more than to argue for the link between mental illness and religion. Thus, Archer/Shaheed could have still been Muslim and mentally ill at the same time. This runs contrary to the "he wasn't Muslim, just mentally ill" narrative.

I never said he wasn't a Muslim.

You implied it by saying he didn't attend mosque.

 

[Coyote]

You seem to think *you* know all about them. How about taking your own advice?

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam.

You're claiming he isn't. What evidence do you base that on?

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidence.

Actually, there is evidence. Concrete, irrefutable, and undeniable evidence that this man was a devout Muslim who prayed regularly at the mosque and went to Saudi Arabia to perform the Hajj to Mecca. This is yet another person who used Islam to justify he did what he did.

Facts trump emotion.

One fact you over look - you're "facts" were not available until recently. When this discussion started there was NO concrete evidence. The Imam at a local mosque didn't recognize him as a member, there was nothing on his trips abroad. None of that discounts mental illness.

 

[Coyote]

Please, there would be so many threads started on it that even you would have to consolidate some of them. But since it is a Muslim perpetrator, we are expected to ignore the motivation and blame it on the Bosa Nova or something.

Where are these millions of threads?

Suspected Serial Killer of 20 Victims, Now in Custody, Says God Instructed Him To “Cut Off Children’s Heads”
Mom accused of letting son kill daughter, says God told him to do it
Flanagan says God told him to kill Parker and Ward as payback for Charleston
Virginia Man Who Shot and Killed WDBJ Journalists Said Jehovah Told Him to Act
Mentally ill man slays Man in Manchester “VOICES TOLD ME TO KILL” | BlogEyeHD
Mom Allegedly Tries To Drown Son In Puddle Because Jesus Told Her To
Teacher Says 'Higher Power' Told Him To Attack Kid With Skateboard
Man Allegedly Stabs Grandma, Blames Archangel Michael
Nurse Thinks Grandmother Was Possessed, Beats Her To Death: Cops
Suspect: "Jesus And Mary Told Me To Kill Him Because He Is Satan's Spawn!"

This one is just informative...religion and mental illness, and why they can often be linked: Religion and schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Start them.

Believe it or not, Coyote did little more than to argue for the link between mental illness and religion. Thus, Archer/Shaheed could have still been Muslim and mentally ill at the same time. This runs contrary to the "he wasn't Muslim, just mentally ill" narrative.

I never said he wasn't a Muslim.

You implied it by saying he didn't attend mosque.

No, I was simply stating what was said in the news at the time when this first broke.

 

[Tilly]

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam.

You're claiming he isn't. What evidence do you base that on?

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidence.

Actually, there is evidence. Concrete, irrefutable, and undeniable evidence that this man was a devout Muslim who prayed regularly at the mosque and went to Saudi Arabia to perform the Hajj to Mecca. This is yet another person who used Islam to justify he did what he did.

Facts trump emotion.

One fact you over look - you're "facts" were not available until recently. When this discussion started there was NO concrete evidence. The Imam at a local mosque didn't recognize him as a member, there was nothing on his trips abroad. None of that discounts mental illness.

The lack of evidence didn't stop you diagnosing him as mentally ill and implying he wasn't a Muslim as he did not attend mosque. You need to stop doing that. It's embarrassing for you.

 

[Tilly]

Where are these millions of threads?

Suspected Serial Killer of 20 Victims, Now in Custody, Says God Instructed Him To “Cut Off Children’s Heads”
Mom accused of letting son kill daughter, says God told him to do it
Flanagan says God told him to kill Parker and Ward as payback for Charleston
Virginia Man Who Shot and Killed WDBJ Journalists Said Jehovah Told Him to Act
Mentally ill man slays Man in Manchester “VOICES TOLD ME TO KILL” | BlogEyeHD
Mom Allegedly Tries To Drown Son In Puddle Because Jesus Told Her To
Teacher Says 'Higher Power' Told Him To Attack Kid With Skateboard
Man Allegedly Stabs Grandma, Blames Archangel Michael
Nurse Thinks Grandmother Was Possessed, Beats Her To Death: Cops
Suspect: "Jesus And Mary Told Me To Kill Him Because He Is Satan's Spawn!"

This one is just informative...religion and mental illness, and why they can often be linked: Religion and schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Start them.

Believe it or not, Coyote did little more than to argue for the link between mental illness and religion. Thus, Archer/Shaheed could have still been Muslim and mentally ill at the same time. This runs contrary to the "he wasn't Muslim, just mentally ill" narrative.

I never said he wasn't a Muslim.

You implied it by saying he didn't attend mosque.

No, I was simply stating what was said in the news at the time when this first broke.

No you were stating these things as fact on the basis 'mommy knows best' and 'the imam said so'. Tsk tsk.

 

[Seawytch]

You're claiming he isn't. What evidence do you base that on?

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidance.

The man said he did it for Islam.

So what? What is the significance? Here are your choices:

1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

*If number 2 is your choice, then you must agree that these individuals are representative of Christianity.

God Told Me To

You forgot number 3.

Which is what? What is your "number 3"? Either the individual is representative of the entire group or it isn't.

 

[Coyote]

You seem to think *you* know all about them. How about taking your own advice?

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam.

You're claiming he isn't. What evidence do you base that on?

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidance.

The man said he did it for Islam.

Let me see....you believe what he says, you discount what his mother says, you believe what his brother says.

 

[Tilly]

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidance.

The man said he did it for Islam.

So what? What is the significance? Here are your choices:

1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

*If number 2 is your choice, then you must agree that these individuals are representative of Christianity.

God Told Me To

You forgot number 3.

Which is what? What is your "number 3"? Either the individual is representative of the entire group or it isn't.

I know you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, so I'll give you time to mull it over. Let me know when the penny drops.

 

[Coyote]

Start them.

Believe it or not, Coyote did little more than to argue for the link between mental illness and religion. Thus, Archer/Shaheed could have still been Muslim and mentally ill at the same time. This runs contrary to the "he wasn't Muslim, just mentally ill" narrative.

I never said he wasn't a Muslim.

You implied it by saying he didn't attend mosque.

No, I was simply stating what was said in the news at the time when this first broke.

No you were stating these things as fact on the basis 'mommy knows best' and 'the imam said so'. Tsk tsk.

I was basing it on what was in the news at the time. Kind of like you're basing your points on what is in the news...that "his brother knows best".

 

[Tilly]

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam.

You're claiming he isn't. What evidence do you base that on?

Which part are you having difficulty understanding:

I'm not the one claiming to know anything about him, other than what he told the police, he did it for Islam. He may or may not be mentally ill, that's for a psychiatrist to decide, not you. You're the one spinning for him based on no evidence. I wonder why you endlessly do this for Muslims and Islam

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidance.

The man said he did it for Islam.

Let me see....you believe what he says, you discount what his mother says, you believe what his brother says.

I don't believe what the mother or the brother says at this point. The shooter declared his motivation. Killing in the name of Islam isn't exactly unusual. I have absolutely no reason to doubt what he says about the reason for his attempt to murder.

 

[Tilly]

Believe it or not, Coyote did little more than to argue for the link between mental illness and religion. Thus, Archer/Shaheed could have still been Muslim and mentally ill at the same time. This runs contrary to the "he wasn't Muslim, just mentally ill" narrative.

I never said he wasn't a Muslim.

You implied it by saying he didn't attend mosque.

No, I was simply stating what was said in the news at the time when this first broke.

No you were stating these things as fact on the basis 'mommy knows best' and 'the imam said so'. Tsk tsk.

I was basing it on what was in the news at the time. Kind of like you're basing your points on what is in the news...that "his brother knows best".

I never said his brother knows best. I was demonstrating that there are two different stories from people within the same family. Neither are evidence of anything.

 

[Seawytch]

You are the one claiming he did it for Islam and discounting mental illness with little more evidance.

The man said he did it for Islam.

So what? What is the significance? Here are your choices:

1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

*If number 2 is your choice, then you must agree that these individuals are representative of Christianity.

God Told Me To

You forgot number 3.

Which is what? What is your "number 3"? Either the individual is representative of the entire group or it isn't.

I know you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, so I'll give you time to mull it over. Let me know when the penny drops.

Ah, you can't actually provide a number three so you decide to go with ad hominem attacks. That takes some real brilliance.