Independent panel concludes Bush engaged in torture

So why hasn't Obama followed through on the executive order he issued on his first day in office of his first term to close gitmo?

Because he hasn't figured out what to do with those thugs. Big failure of this POTUS imho.

We are either a nation of MEN who are willing to suffer (and yeah, maybe even die) to uphold the principles we cherish or we are a nation of cowering sheep who don't deserve the stewardship of this great nation that was won at such a high cost for so many who were made of sterner stuff.
 
The right has already let it be known that rights only matter when they want them to matter or if it directly affects them. If it doesn't, they don't care about rights of others. Torture shmorture
 
Bush-era torture use 'indisputable,' Guantanamo must close, task force finds - U.S. News

An independent task force issued a damning review of Bush-era interrogation practices on Tuesday, saying the highest U.S. officials bore ultimate responsibility for the "indisputable" use of torture, and it urged President Barack Obama to close the Guantanamo detention camp by the end of 2014.

In one of the most comprehensive studies of U.S. treatment of terrorism suspects, the panel concluded that never before had there been "the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody."

"It is indisputable that the United States engaged in the practice of torture," the 11-member task force, assembled by the nonpartisan Constitution Project think tank, said in their 577-page report



The panel, which included leading politicians from both parties, two U.S. retired generals and legal and ethics scholars, spent two years examining the U.S. treatment of suspected militants detained after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

Panel members interviewed former Clinton, Bush and Obama administration officials, military officers and former prisoners, and the investigation looked at U.S. practices at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan and Iraq and at the CIA's former secret prisons overseas.

The task force was chaired by Asa Hutchinson, a Republican former congressman and undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration, and James Jones, a Democratic former congressman who served as U.S. ambassador to Mexico.

and yet, during the rest of his Pres, there were 0 terror attacks on our soil.

obamas record?

times square
underwear
Boston

and then some

2002

July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.

October: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
 
So why hasn't Obama followed through on the executive order he issued on his first day in office of his first term to close gitmo?

Because he hasn't figured out what to do with those thugs. Big failure of this POTUS imho.

We are either a nation of MEN who are willing to suffer (and yeah, maybe even die) to uphold the principles we cherish or we are a nation of cowering sheep who don't deserve the stewardship of this great nation that was won at such a high cost for so many who were made of sterner stuff.

the republicans wont let them be brought into the US
 
Bush-era torture use 'indisputable,' Guantanamo must close, task force finds - U.S. News

An independent task force issued a damning review of Bush-era interrogation practices on Tuesday, saying the highest U.S. officials bore ultimate responsibility for the "indisputable" use of torture, and it urged President Barack Obama to close the Guantanamo detention camp by the end of 2014.

In one of the most comprehensive studies of U.S. treatment of terrorism suspects, the panel concluded that never before had there been "the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody."

"It is indisputable that the United States engaged in the practice of torture," the 11-member task force, assembled by the nonpartisan Constitution Project think tank, said in their 577-page report



The panel, which included leading politicians from both parties, two U.S. retired generals and legal and ethics scholars, spent two years examining the U.S. treatment of suspected militants detained after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

Panel members interviewed former Clinton, Bush and Obama administration officials, military officers and former prisoners, and the investigation looked at U.S. practices at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan and Iraq and at the CIA's former secret prisons overseas.

The task force was chaired by Asa Hutchinson, a Republican former congressman and undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration, and James Jones, a Democratic former congressman who served as U.S. ambassador to Mexico.

and yet, during the rest of his Pres, there were 0 terror attacks on our soil.

obamas record?

times square
underwear
Boston

and then some

2002

July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.

October: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.

I always appreciate it when someone has the deligence to expose B.S. when it appears. Props.
 
obama owes Bush torture a debt since obama used the information obtained for his signature achievement. He got Bin Laden. And is not letting the man who REALLY got Bin Laden die being tortured in prison.

You do realise that is a lie right?
 
So why hasn't Obama followed through on the executive order he issued on his first day in office of his first term to close gitmo?

Because he hasn't figured out what to do with those thugs. Big failure of this POTUS imho.

We are either a nation of MEN who are willing to suffer (and yeah, maybe even die) to uphold the principles we cherish or we are a nation of cowering sheep who don't deserve the stewardship of this great nation that was won at such a high cost for so many who were made of sterner stuff.

the republicans wont let them be brought into the US

If they are brought to the U.S. and tried under U.S. law, charges would be dismissed because they were tortured.
 
obama owes Bush torture a debt since obama used the information obtained for his signature achievement. He got Bin Laden. And is not letting the man who REALLY got Bin Laden die being tortured in prison.

You do realise that is a lie right?

Of course it isn't true. What a crazy notion: Bush got the information and didn't act on it?

Someone who is being tortured will say whatever he thinks his torturer wants to hear in order to get him to stop. Probably where Bush got all that "great" intel on weapons of mass destruction and the Iraq-Al Qaida link.

How many Americans died chasing down THOSE false leads.
 
Bush-era torture use 'indisputable,' Guantanamo must close, task force finds - U.S. News

An independent task force issued a damning review of Bush-era interrogation practices on Tuesday, saying the highest U.S. officials bore ultimate responsibility for the "indisputable" use of torture, and it urged President Barack Obama to close the Guantanamo detention camp by the end of 2014.

In one of the most comprehensive studies of U.S. treatment of terrorism suspects, the panel concluded that never before had there been "the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody."

"It is indisputable that the United States engaged in the practice of torture," the 11-member task force, assembled by the nonpartisan Constitution Project think tank, said in their 577-page report



The panel, which included leading politicians from both parties, two U.S. retired generals and legal and ethics scholars, spent two years examining the U.S. treatment of suspected militants detained after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

Panel members interviewed former Clinton, Bush and Obama administration officials, military officers and former prisoners, and the investigation looked at U.S. practices at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan and Iraq and at the CIA's former secret prisons overseas.

The task force was chaired by Asa Hutchinson, a Republican former congressman and undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration, and James Jones, a Democratic former congressman who served as U.S. ambassador to Mexico.

Rendition. Obama uses it.
 
So why hasn't Obama followed through on the executive order he issued on his first day in office of his first term to close gitmo?

Congress.

Congress uses spending bills to halt closing of Guantanamo Bay prison - The Hill

A good catch BlindBoo. But that was in 2009. I think there has been ample time to come up with a solution since then. It's not an easy nut to crack (imho) but I believe Obama has just thrown his hands up on this. I think it is a big mistake.

Our nation is one that is based on the rule of law. It's why we transfer power peacefully. It is a cornerstone of what makes us who we are and I don't like seeing anyone toss that principle aside - no matter how convenient it may be.
 
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Obama engages in torture every day...all he has to do is appear on tv...with absolutely nothing to say.

Killing innocent people with drones isn't torture so it's OK.

You don't have a defense so changing the subject Is ok

I really don't give a shit if some people were tortured.

We all know they were so having some independent whatever come up with a headline is a bit late no?

It's like saying, "And now in breaking news: The dinosaurs are extinct"

Wow mind blowing huh?
 
So why hasn't Obama followed through on the executive order he issued on his first day in office of his first term to close gitmo?

Congress.

Congress uses spending bills to halt closing of Guantanamo Bay prison - The Hill

A good catch BlindBoo. But that was in 2009. I think there has been ample time to come up with a solution since then. It's not an easy nut to crack (imho) but I believe Obama has just thrown his hands up on this. I think it is a big mistake.

Our nation is one that is based on the rule of law. It's why we transfer power peacefully. It is a cornerstone of what makes us who we are and I don't like seeing anyone toss that principle aside - no matter how convenient it may be.

Congress effective tied his hand. He cannot craft an EO to subvert a law (no matter what the nutters say). They can only be used to implement existing laws.
 
So why hasn't Obama followed through on the executive order he issued on his first day in office of his first term to close gitmo?

Because he hasn't figured out what to do with those thugs. Big failure of this POTUS imho.

We are either a nation of MEN who are willing to suffer (and yeah, maybe even die) to uphold the principles we cherish or we are a nation of cowering sheep who don't deserve the stewardship of this great nation that was won at such a high cost for so many who were made of sterner stuff.

the republicans wont let them be brought into the US

He signed a presidential executive order for the closing of gitmo how are the republicans stopping him?
 
I really don't give a shit if some people were tortured.

Selective about which American ideals and principles you defend, huh?
Just depends on what scares you?
Great American hero.
You now have absolutely no right to input on gun control. You can toss aside principles when you get scared, so gun grabbers can ignore them when THEY get scared.

You're dismissed.
 

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