Iraq revisited

[onecut39]

This should be required viewing for anyone who plans to visit the Bush library.

Rachel Maddow Show

 

[dilloduck]

This should be required viewing for anyone who plans to visit the Bush library.

Rachel Maddow Show

Why is that ?

 

[mudwhistle]

This should be required viewing for anyone who plans to visit the Bush library.

Rachel Maddow Show

Yeah.....that Bush hating lesbo would never make shit up.

 

[waltky]

Here we go again...

IRAQ SEEKS HELP FROM US AMID GROWING VIOLENCE
Aug 16,`13 WASHINGTON (AP) -- A resurgence of violence and a renewed threat from al-Qaida have recently revived flagging U.S. interest in Iraq, officials said Friday as Baghdad asked for new help to fight extremists less than two years after it forced American troops to withdraw.

Faced with security crises across the Mideast, North Africa and Asia, the White House largely has turned its attention away from Iraq since U.S. forces left in 2011. But the country has been hit with deadly bombings at a rate reminiscent of Iraq's darkest days, stoking new fears of a civil war. More than 1,000 Iraqis were killed in terror-related attacks in July, the deadliest month since 2008. The violence has spurred Baghdad to seek new U.S. aid to curb the threat, said Iraqi Foreign Minister Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari. He said a U.S. assistance package could include a limited number of advisers, intelligence analysis and surveillance assets - including lethal drones. "There is greater realization in the Iraq government that we should not shy away from coming and asking for some help and assistance," Zebari told reporters Friday in Washington.

He described U.S. interest in Iraq after the 2011 troop withdrawal as "indifferent, completely" but said that seemed to shift as the White House realized al-Qaida's resurrection there. "Recently I noticed, and during this visit specifically, there is a renewed interest because of the seriousness of the situation and the challenges," Zebari said. "I think that is because of the threat of terrorism, the threat of the renewal of al-Qaida and its affiliates has become a serious, serious concern to the U.S." The American troops left Iraq in December 2011 as required under a 2008 security agreement. Both countries tried to negotiate plans, but failed, to keep at least several thousand U.S. forces in Iraq beyond the deadline to maintain security. But the proposal fell through after Baghdad refused to give the troops immunity from legal charges, as Washington demanded.

Nearly 4,500 U.S. troops were killed, and American taxpayers spent at least $767 billion during the nearly nine years of war in Iraq. Zebari attributed the insurgency's comeback to its partnerships with al-Qaida fighters in neighboring Syria and outlawed Baath Party extremists in Iraq's south. Intelligence experts have described the terror group's footing in Iraq and Syria as a new al-Qaida hub in the Mideast, one that has sought for years to underscore Baghdad's inability to protect its people.

Most of the attacks in Iraq target government officials, security forces and Shiite pilgrims and neighborhoods. A senior U.S. administration official this week said the number of suicide bombings in Iraq has more than tripled over the last months, and it's believed that most of the attackers are coming from Syria. "The security situation in Iraq is deteriorating rapidly and is of significant concern," Sen. Bob Corker, top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said this week after meeting Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and other senior Iraqi officials during a trip to Baghdad and Irbil, the Kurdish capital in Iraq's north. "A United States foreign policy that does not recognize this will be very problematic," said Corker, R-Tenn.

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[longknife]

Once again, waltky beat me to the punch on this.

While they're asking, do you think our Muslim-in-Chief will pitch in to help?

I don't!

 

[waltky]

Fallujah falls to jihadists...

Al-Qaeda-linked force captures Fallujah amid rise in violence in Iraq
January 3,`14 — A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.

The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war. Elsewhere in the province, local tribal militias claimed they were gaining ground against the al-Qaeda militants who surged into urban areas from their desert strongholds this week after clashes erupted between local residents and the Iraqi security forces.

In Fallujah, where Marines fought the bloodiest battle of the Iraq war in 2004, the militants appeared to have the upper hand, underscoring the extent to which the Iraqi security forces have struggled to sustain the gains made by U.S. troops before they withdrew in December 2011. The upheaval also affirmed the soaring capabilities of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the rebranded version of the al-Qaeda in Iraq organization that was formed a decade ago to confront U.S. troops and expanded into Syria last year while escalating its activities in Iraq. Roughly a third of the 4,486 U.S. troops killed in Iraq died in Anbar trying to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq, nearly 100 of them in the November 2004 battle for control of Fallujah, the site of America’s bloodiest confrontation since the Vietnam War.

Events Friday suggested the fight may have been in vain. “At the moment, there is no presence of the Iraqi state in Fallujah,” said a local journalist who asked not to be named because he fears for his safety. “The police and the army have abandoned the city, al-Qaeda has taken down all the Iraqi flags and burned them, and it has raised its own flag on all the buildings.”

At Friday prayers , held outdoors and attended by thousands of people, a masked ISIS fighter took the podium and addressed the crowd, declaring the establishment of an “Islamic emirate” in Fallujah and promising to help residents fight the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Iranian allies. “We don’t want to hurt you. We don’t want to take any of your possessions,” the man told the crowd, according to the journalist, who attended the prayers. “We want you to reopen the schools and institutions and return to your normal lives.”

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[Moonglow]

Iraq had no trouble standing on her own two feet before the US invasion.

 

[The Rabbi]

Iraq had no trouble standing on her own two feet before the US invasion.

That's why it lost to the Iranians in the 1970s and the U.S. in the 90s?
Wow you're a stupid one.

And why anyone listens to that ugly dyke is beyond me.
Once again we see the result of Obama's inept foreign policy. He rushed headlong to get out of Iraq at any cost, shredding the framework Bush had left him. Not surprisingly Iran and al Qaeda came back in the absence of American power and demonstrated unwillingness to play any role. And now we'll probably have to go back in, at the cost of American lives. And without any doubt at all the Left will blame Bush.

 

[DiamondDave]

Madcow put forth as any credible source about anything??

You have zero credibility for anything, idiot

 

[Kosh]

This should be required viewing for anyone who plans to visit the Bush library.

Rachel Maddow Show

* YAWN *

Another far left poster using the far left MSNBC as their "facts".

Boring!

You far left posters got anything else besides this propaganda?

 

[candycorn]

This should be required viewing for anyone who plans to visit the Bush library.

Rachel Maddow Show

You know which sub-heading it's under?

 

[BlindBoo]

Iraq had no trouble standing on her own two feet before the US invasion.

That's why it lost to the Iranians in the 1970s and the U.S. in the 90s?
Wow you're a stupid one.

And why anyone listens to that ugly dyke is beyond me.
Once again we see the result of Obama's inept foreign policy. He rushed headlong to get out of Iraq at any cost, shredding the framework Bush had left him. Not surprisingly Iran and al Qaeda came back in the absence of American power and demonstrated unwillingness to play any role. And now we'll probably have to go back in, at the cost of American lives. And without any doubt at all the Left will blame Bush.

In reality the Iran/Iraq war ending in a stalemate in 1988. (Started in 1980.)

In reality President Obama followed the Bush Framework for our withdrawal from Iraq. The Iraqis wanted us out and wouldn't allow our soldiers immunity from Iraq law. So we left.

This current action is a continuation of the Civil war set in motion by the disastrous occupation of Iraq after the successful 2003 invasion and overthrow of the Iraqi Government.


......now back to the show.

 

[Jarhead]

Iraq had no trouble standing on her own two feet before the US invasion.

They did all they could to get the world to believe they were in breach of the treaty Hussein had signed with Bush the senior.

Taking no action....which is what Hussein believed would happen, would have given Hussein the strength to know he could do what he wants as it pertains to breaking the treaty.

Taking action was the only sound decision...and many in congress agreed.

But, of course, guys like you have the advantage of hindsight.....making you the perfect diplomatic ambassador.

Grow up.

 

[longknife]

Putin has already delivered a lot of military equipment to Iraq which still has technicians left to operate, maintain, and repair it. Nothing I can find yet, but wouldn't be surprised to learn he's also sent "advisors" to help out.

Iraqi forces are currently underway to force al Qaeda out of the town and WILL NOT have the Rules of Engagement farce American forces were tied down with.

It's gonna be a slaughter and the only worry should be Iran pouring in forces to help the opposition.

 

[The Rabbi]

Iraq had no trouble standing on her own two feet before the US invasion.

That's why it lost to the Iranians in the 1970s and the U.S. in the 90s?
Wow you're a stupid one.

And why anyone listens to that ugly dyke is beyond me.
Once again we see the result of Obama's inept foreign policy. He rushed headlong to get out of Iraq at any cost, shredding the framework Bush had left him. Not surprisingly Iran and al Qaeda came back in the absence of American power and demonstrated unwillingness to play any role. And now we'll probably have to go back in, at the cost of American lives. And without any doubt at all the Left will blame Bush.

In reality the Iran/Iraq war ending in a stalemate in 1988. (Started in 1980.)

In reality President Obama followed the Bush Framework for our withdrawal from Iraq. The Iraqis wanted us out and wouldn't allow our soldiers immunity from Iraq law. So we left.

This current action is a continuation of the Civil war set in motion by the disastrous occupation of Iraq after the successful 2003 invasion and overthrow of the Iraqi Government.


......now back to the show.

The status of forces was the last thing to be negotiated. Obama bungled it. We see the result.

 

[BlindBoo]

That's why it lost to the Iranians in the 1970s and the U.S. in the 90s?
Wow you're a stupid one.

And why anyone listens to that ugly dyke is beyond me.
Once again we see the result of Obama's inept foreign policy. He rushed headlong to get out of Iraq at any cost, shredding the framework Bush had left him. Not surprisingly Iran and al Qaeda came back in the absence of American power and demonstrated unwillingness to play any role. And now we'll probably have to go back in, at the cost of American lives. And without any doubt at all the Left will blame Bush.

In reality the Iran/Iraq war ending in a stalemate in 1988. (Started in 1980.)

In reality President Obama followed the Bush Framework for our withdrawal from Iraq. The Iraqis wanted us out and wouldn't allow our soldiers immunity from Iraq law. So we left.

This current action is a continuation of the Civil war set in motion by the disastrous occupation of Iraq after the successful 2003 invasion and overthrow of the Iraqi Government.


......now back to the show.

The status of forces was the last thing to be negotiated. Obama bungled it. We see the result.

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

U.S.?Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Next......

 

[The Rabbi]

In reality the Iran/Iraq war ending in a stalemate in 1988. (Started in 1980.)

In reality President Obama followed the Bush Framework for our withdrawal from Iraq. The Iraqis wanted us out and wouldn't allow our soldiers immunity from Iraq law. So we left.

This current action is a continuation of the Civil war set in motion by the disastrous occupation of Iraq after the successful 2003 invasion and overthrow of the Iraqi Government.


......now back to the show.

The status of forces was the last thing to be negotiated. Obama bungled it. We see the result.

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

U.S.?Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Next......

The links in Wiki are really important. Her'es one:
Iraq Withdrawal: U.S. Abandoning Plans To Keep Troops In Country
Next.

The truth is the Obama Administration flubbed the peace that Bush had won, despite opposition from the Democrats. In the end Bush has been vindicated. I miss him still.

 

[BlindBoo]

The status of forces was the last thing to be negotiated. Obama bungled it. We see the result.

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

U.S.?Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Next......

The links in Wiki are really important. Her'es one:
Iraq Withdrawal: U.S. Abandoning Plans To Keep Troops In Country
Next.

The truth is the Obama Administration flubbed the peace that Bush had won, despite opposition from the Democrats. In the end Bush has been vindicated. I miss him still.

From the Huffington Post link you posted. " Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it. "

Both Bush and Obama agreed that we would not put our soldiers in that situation.

 

[The Rabbi]

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

U.S.?Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Next......

The links in Wiki are really important. Her'es one:
Iraq Withdrawal: U.S. Abandoning Plans To Keep Troops In Country
Next.

The truth is the Obama Administration flubbed the peace that Bush had won, despite opposition from the Democrats. In the end Bush has been vindicated. I miss him still.

From the Huffington Post link you posted. " Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it. "

Both Bush and Obama agreed that we would not put our soldiers in that situation.

That's why it was so clear cut there was no debate in Washington. Right?

 

[BlindBoo]

The links in Wiki are really important. Her'es one:
Iraq Withdrawal: U.S. Abandoning Plans To Keep Troops In Country
Next.

The truth is the Obama Administration flubbed the peace that Bush had won, despite opposition from the Democrats. In the end Bush has been vindicated. I miss him still.

From the Huffington Post link you posted. " Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it. "

Both Bush and Obama agreed that we would not put our soldiers in that situation.

That's why it was so clear cut there was no debate in Washington. Right?

Do you understand that the decision was made in Baghdad not Washington, right?