Is CO2 a pollutant?

[hortysir]

Yes or no.

If yes, how?

If no, why not?

 

[Old Rocks]

Without CO2 in our atmosphere, the oceans would be frozen down to the equator. By increasing the amount of CO2 and other GHG's in our atmosphere at a very rapid rate, we destabalize the climate. If you mean, is CO2 and outright poison like lead or mercury, no. But if you mean something that can harm us, yes.

Rather than argue the semantics, look at what happens if we increase the temperature of the earth at a rapid rate. The people that have studied this state that the results will be damaging at best, catastrophic at worst. But, since it looks like we are not going to stop adding GHG's to the atmosphere any time soon, we are all along for the ride.

 

[Billy_Bob]

CO2 is NOT a pollutant. All life on earth emits CO2 and all plant life needs it to reproduce. The Earth has seen levels above 7,000ppm for millions of years while keeping its average temp in the range of 12 Deg C to 22 Deg C.

It has never runaway in temp rise. IT has glaciated, warmed and then re-glaciated with these levels. The cycles have gone on for millions of years.

It does not control the earths temp, water vapor and the convention cycle do this. All the fear moingering from activists is pure undeniable conjecture.

 

[ralfy]

It is not a pollutant, but it can act as a forcing factor for increased warming.

Also,

Does high levels of CO2 in the past contradict the warming effect of CO2

 

[Mr. H.]

If the EPA says it is, then it is. Grab your ankles and get ready to take it up the ass...

How Carbon Dioxide Became a Pollutant - WSJ

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Yes or no.

If yes, how?

If no, why not?

Nah, I often suck on some CO2 for a buzz.

 

[Billy_Bob]

It is not a pollutant, but it can act as a forcing factor for increased warming.

Also,

Does high levels of CO2 in the past contradict the warming effect of CO2

Please provide proof of this allegation. Current empirical evidence shows a dampening effect, which has stopped any warming whatsoever over the last 155 years, that could be attributed to CO2.

Your paper gives no evidence of such warming and only stated conjecture.

 

[Old Rocks]

So says Billy Boob, and only every single Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University disagrees with him. But, obviously, Billy Boob is right.

 

[Mr. H.]

Without CO2 in our atmosphere, the oceans would be frozen down to the equator. By increasing the amount of CO2 and other GHG's in our atmosphere at a very rapid rate, we destabalize the climate. If you mean, is CO2 and outright poison like lead or mercury, no. But if you mean something that can harm us, yes.

Rather than argue the semantics, look at what happens if we increase the temperature of the earth at a rapid rate. The people that have studied this state that the results will be damaging at best, catastrophic at worst. But, since it looks like we are not going to stop adding GHG's to the atmosphere any time soon, we are all along for the ride.

Oh... now it's called "destabilized climate".

Let's recap:

Global Warming begets

Climate Change begets

Destabilized Climate.

If there were no Warming/Change/Destabilization and if the climate were static, would the next catch-phrase become Climate Stasis?

 

[Billy_Bob]

So says Billy Boob, and only every single Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University disagrees with him. But, obviously, Billy Boob is right.

PROVE IT MORON..

Show us the science.. the DATA, the METHODS, and how 120 ppm of CO2 has done it all... Show us ....

 

[Billy_Bob]

Without CO2 in our atmosphere, the oceans would be frozen down to the equator. By increasing the amount of CO2 and other GHG's in our atmosphere at a very rapid rate, we destabalize the climate. If you mean, is CO2 and outright poison like lead or mercury, no. But if you mean something that can harm us, yes.

Rather than argue the semantics, look at what happens if we increase the temperature of the earth at a rapid rate. The people that have studied this state that the results will be damaging at best, catastrophic at worst. But, since it looks like we are not going to stop adding GHG's to the atmosphere any time soon, we are all along for the ride.

Oh... now it's called "destabilized climate".

Let's recap:

Global Warming begets

Climate Change begets

Destabilized Climate.

If there were no Warming/Change/Destabilization and if the climate were static, would the next catch-phrase become Climate Stasis?

Yep... The Meme is failing and the lie exposed so change the terms to fool the low information voters...

Source


“… according to a climate scientist at Argonne National Laboratory who says it’s time to replace the term climate change, itself a replacement for global warming, with a new term: climate disruption.

“Positive mental attitude is a really wonderful way to deal with change,” research meteorologist Doug Sisterson told about 200 people at the University of Chicago’s International House Tuesday night. “We’ve learned that we want to be optimists and have a positive mental attitude, and the way we deal with that is by thinking ‘Not all change is bad.’ Well, talking about climate change, it’s not good. So maybe it’s wrong to portray climate change with a positive mental attitude.”

Forget Global Warming And Climate Change Call It Climate Disruption - Forbes

 

[Mr. H.]

I've said it before, I'm a "fence sitter" on the issue. But of one thing I am certain... this is not a "crisis" of a proportion that merits the annihilation of entire industries at the cost of tens of trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of jobs.

As coal-fired electric plants close, we will accelerate exponentially toward brown-outs, rolling black-outs, and outright collapse in delivery.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I've said it before, I'm a "fence sitter" on the issue. But of one thing I am certain... this is not a "crisis" of a proportion that merits the annihilation of entire industries at the cost of tens of trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of jobs.

As coal-fired electric plants close, we will accelerate exponentially toward brown-outs, rolling black-outs, and outright collapse in delivery.

The environmentalism movement is a socialist group wanting centralized control of everything.. What better way than to destroy our ability to fend for ourselves, take our property rights even our freedoms removed for their "greater good".. Its all a lie..

 

[sealybobo]

Yes or no.

If yes, how?

If no, why not?

Ask NASA. Man made global warming is better than a scientific theory its a fact. Same way lead poisoning and tobacco are bad for us. Dont ask us we aren't scientists. Ask the scientists. What do they say? Do you care if I can explain exactly how and why lead is bad or do you take sciences word for it? Who were the last people to believe tobacco didn't cause cancer?

 

[sealybobo]

I've said it before, I'm a "fence sitter" on the issue. But of one thing I am certain... this is not a "crisis" of a proportion that merits the annihilation of entire industries at the cost of tens of trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of jobs.

As coal-fired electric plants close, we will accelerate exponentially toward brown-outs, rolling black-outs, and outright collapse in delivery.

Just dont sit on a lead fence smoking or chewing tobacco

 

[Billy_Bob]

Yes or no.

If yes, how?

If no, why not?

Ask NASA. Man made global warming is better than a scientific theory its a fact. Same way lead poisoning and tobacco are bad for us. Dont ask us we aren't scientists. Ask the scientists. What do they say? Do you care if I can explain exactly how and why lead is bad or do you take sciences word for it? Who were the last people to believe tobacco didn't cause cancer?

Awww Poor little leftist drone, You believe everything your told to believe dont you...

AlJazeera America – March 30, 2014
IPCC: effects of climate change ‘worse than we had predicted’
…”Things are worse than we had predicted” in 2007, when the group of scientists last issued this type of report, said report co-author Saleemul Huq, director of the International Centre for Climate Change and Development at Independent University in Bangladesh.

“We are going to see more and more impacts, faster and sooner than we had anticipated.”….

—————

The Conversation – 8 January 2014
How clouds can make climate change worse than we thought

…Perhaps our result can serve as a reminder that not knowing everything does not justify complacency. Uncertainty may mean the problem is worse than you thought.

[Steve Sherwood – Director, Climate Change Research Centre at UNSW Australia]
—————

Think Progress – November 26, 2012
Nearly 3 years ago, the late William R. Freudenburg discussed in a AAAS presentation how new scientific findings since the 2007 IPCC report are found to be more than twenty times as likely to indicate that global climate disruption is “worse than previously expected,” rather than “not as bad as previously expected.”
[William R. Freudenburg , University of California, Santa Barbara, CA]
—————

Guardian – 26 January 2013

Nicholas Stern: ‘I got it wrong on climate change – it’s far, far worse’
Author of 2006 review speaks out on danger to economies as planet absorbs less carbon and is ‘on track’ for 4C rise
[Nicholas Stern – Economist]
—————

Science Blogs – May 20, 2013
Why Global Warming’s Effects Will Be Worse Than You Were Thinking
The story of climate change has always been more of worst-case, or at least, worser-case scenarios developing and less about good news showing up out of nowhere and making us unexpectedly happy….

[Greg Laden]
—————

Independent – 21 March 2014
Letters: Climate change: it’s worse than we thought
Contrary to your headline “Climate change: the official prophecy of doom” (18 March), it would appear that the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report is a masterclass in understatement.
[Bob Ward, Policy and Communications Director, Grantham]
—————

Guardian – 3 February 2007
Worse than we thought
· Report warns of 4C rise by 2100
· Floods and food and water shortages likely
Average temperatures could increase by as much as 6.4C by the end of the century if emissions continue to rise, with a rise of 4C most likely, according to the final report of an expert panel set up by the UN to study the problem.
[David Adam – Environment Correspondent for the Guardian between 2005 and 2010]
—————

WWF – September 2009
The Arctic in your back yard

Arctic warming affects us all – it can cause extreme global weather changes, widespread flooding and big increases in greenhouse gas emission that will in turn make global warming even worse.

We’ve also just published a new report called Arctic Climate Feedbacks: Global Implications, which lists dire global consequences of a warming Arctic – far worse than previous projections.
[WWF]
—————

Metro – 31 Mar 2014
War, hunger, disease… and worse to come: The impact of climate change all over the world
…Friends of the Earth said: ‘Droughts, floods and famines are just some of the devastating effects people are suffering as a result of extreme weather. Unless we take urgent measures, they will get far worse.’….
[Friends of the Earth]
—————

Guardian – 31 March 2014
Climate change report: ‘The worst is yet to come’ – as it happened
• Climate change ‘already affecting food supply‘
• Great Barrier reef, native Australian species in danger
• The poor will suffer most from climate change
• Hellish monotony‘ of climate change report

[Helen Davidson – reporter and Adam Vaughan – editor]
—————

Science Daily – February 15, 2009
Climate Change Likely To Be More Devastating Than Experts Predicted, Warns Top IPCC Scientist
…”There is a real risk that human-caused climate change will accelerate the release of carbon dioxide from forest and tundra ecosystems, which have been storing a lot of carbon for thousands of years,” said Field, a professor of biology and of environmental Earth system science at Stanford, and a senior fellow at Stanford’s Woods Institute for the Environment. “We don’t want to cross a critical threshold where this massive release of carbon starts to run on autopilot.”…
[IPCC scientist Chris Field of Stanford University and the Carnegie Institution for Science]
—————

Dallas Observer Blogs – Oct. 14 2013
Climate Scientists Predict a Texas Drought “Worse Than We Imagined” And a Changing Coast
….state climatologist John Nielsen-Gammon told TCN. “The latest IPCC report is mostly just an incremental update of something we already knew. The [continuing] drought of 2011-20xx has taught us something we didn’t know: Rather than being a thing of the past, Texas drought can be worse than we imagined.”
[John Nielsen-Gammon – climatologist]
—————

Columbus Dispatch – April 1, 2014
Global warming heads ‘out of control’
…Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which issued the 32-volume, 2,610-page report here early yesterday, said: “It is a call for action.” Without reductions in emissions, he said, the effects of warming “could get out of control.”…
[Dr. Rajendra Pachauri – Head of the IPCC]



The fiction of Global Warming. The next round of fear-mongering will be FAR WORSE than the last and each one is a lie. TO DATE NOT ONE OF THE IPCC OR THE FEAR-MONGERING PREDICTIONS HAS COME TRUE.. 18 years 4 months of Zero Trend.. The warming has stropped..

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So says Billy Boob, and only every single Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University disagrees with him. But, obviously, Billy Boob is right.

PROVE IT MORON..

Show us the science.. the DATA, the METHODS, and how 120 ppm of CO2 has done it all... Show us ....

They can not and no one has actually done an experiment to prove it has, and why not? Because they all know it is a lie.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes or no.

If yes, how?

If no, why not?

Ask NASA. Man made global warming is better than a scientific theory its a fact. Same way lead poisoning and tobacco are bad for us. Dont ask us we aren't scientists. Ask the scientists. What do they say? Do you care if I can explain exactly how and why lead is bad or do you take sciences word for it? Who were the last people to believe tobacco didn't cause cancer?

Awww Poor little leftist drone, You believe everything your told to believe dont you...

AlJazeera America – March 30, 2014
IPCC: effects of climate change ‘worse than we had predicted’
…”Things are worse than we had predicted” in 2007, when the group of scientists last issued this type of report, said report co-author Saleemul Huq, director of the International Centre for Climate Change and Development at Independent University in Bangladesh.

“We are going to see more and more impacts, faster and sooner than we had anticipated.”….

—————

The Conversation – 8 January 2014
How clouds can make climate change worse than we thought

…Perhaps our result can serve as a reminder that not knowing everything does not justify complacency. Uncertainty may mean the problem is worse than you thought.

[Steve Sherwood – Director, Climate Change Research Centre at UNSW Australia]
—————

Think Progress – November 26, 2012
Nearly 3 years ago, the late William R. Freudenburg discussed in a AAAS presentation how new scientific findings since the 2007 IPCC report are found to be more than twenty times as likely to indicate that global climate disruption is “worse than previously expected,” rather than “not as bad as previously expected.”
[William R. Freudenburg , University of California, Santa Barbara, CA]
—————

Guardian – 26 January 2013

Nicholas Stern: ‘I got it wrong on climate change – it’s far, far worse’
Author of 2006 review speaks out on danger to economies as planet absorbs less carbon and is ‘on track’ for 4C rise
[Nicholas Stern – Economist]
—————

Science Blogs – May 20, 2013
Why Global Warming’s Effects Will Be Worse Than You Were Thinking
The story of climate change has always been more of worst-case, or at least, worser-case scenarios developing and less about good news showing up out of nowhere and making us unexpectedly happy….

[Greg Laden]
—————

Independent – 21 March 2014
Letters: Climate change: it’s worse than we thought
Contrary to your headline “Climate change: the official prophecy of doom” (18 March), it would appear that the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report is a masterclass in understatement.
[Bob Ward, Policy and Communications Director, Grantham]
—————

Guardian – 3 February 2007
Worse than we thought
· Report warns of 4C rise by 2100
· Floods and food and water shortages likely
Average temperatures could increase by as much as 6.4C by the end of the century if emissions continue to rise, with a rise of 4C most likely, according to the final report of an expert panel set up by the UN to study the problem.
[David Adam – Environment Correspondent for the Guardian between 2005 and 2010]
—————

WWF – September 2009
The Arctic in your back yard

Arctic warming affects us all – it can cause extreme global weather changes, widespread flooding and big increases in greenhouse gas emission that will in turn make global warming even worse.

We’ve also just published a new report called Arctic Climate Feedbacks: Global Implications, which lists dire global consequences of a warming Arctic – far worse than previous projections.
[WWF]
—————

Metro – 31 Mar 2014
War, hunger, disease… and worse to come: The impact of climate change all over the world
…Friends of the Earth said: ‘Droughts, floods and famines are just some of the devastating effects people are suffering as a result of extreme weather. Unless we take urgent measures, they will get far worse.’….
[Friends of the Earth]
—————

Guardian – 31 March 2014
Climate change report: ‘The worst is yet to come’ – as it happened
• Climate change ‘already affecting food supply‘
• Great Barrier reef, native Australian species in danger
• The poor will suffer most from climate change
• Hellish monotony‘ of climate change report

[Helen Davidson – reporter and Adam Vaughan – editor]
—————

Science Daily – February 15, 2009
Climate Change Likely To Be More Devastating Than Experts Predicted, Warns Top IPCC Scientist
…”There is a real risk that human-caused climate change will accelerate the release of carbon dioxide from forest and tundra ecosystems, which have been storing a lot of carbon for thousands of years,” said Field, a professor of biology and of environmental Earth system science at Stanford, and a senior fellow at Stanford’s Woods Institute for the Environment. “We don’t want to cross a critical threshold where this massive release of carbon starts to run on autopilot.”…
[IPCC scientist Chris Field of Stanford University and the Carnegie Institution for Science]
—————

Dallas Observer Blogs – Oct. 14 2013
Climate Scientists Predict a Texas Drought “Worse Than We Imagined” And a Changing Coast
….state climatologist John Nielsen-Gammon told TCN. “The latest IPCC report is mostly just an incremental update of something we already knew. The [continuing] drought of 2011-20xx has taught us something we didn’t know: Rather than being a thing of the past, Texas drought can be worse than we imagined.”
[John Nielsen-Gammon – climatologist]
—————

Columbus Dispatch – April 1, 2014
Global warming heads ‘out of control’
…Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which issued the 32-volume, 2,610-page report here early yesterday, said: “It is a call for action.” Without reductions in emissions, he said, the effects of warming “could get out of control.”…
[Dr. Rajendra Pachauri – Head of the IPCC]



The fiction of Global Warming. The next round of fear-mongering will be FAR WORSE than the last and each one is a lie.

You are a quack. Eat lead and smoke.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Without CO2 in our atmosphere, the oceans would be frozen down to the equator. By increasing the amount of CO2 and other GHG's in our atmosphere at a very rapid rate, we destabalize the climate. If you mean, is CO2 and outright poison like lead or mercury, no. But if you mean something that can harm us, yes.

Rather than argue the semantics, look at what happens if we increase the temperature of the earth at a rapid rate. The people that have studied this state that the results will be damaging at best, catastrophic at worst. But, since it looks like we are not going to stop adding GHG's to the atmosphere any time soon, we are all along for the ride.

Oh... now it's called "destabilized climate".

Let's recap:

Global Warming begets

Climate Change begets

Destabilized Climate.

If there were no Warming/Change/Destabilization and if the climate were static, would the next catch-phrase become Climate Stasis?

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together might recognize this pattern, but many others realize all this bs has absolutely nothing to do with "climate-change-warming-whatever" and everything to do with control. Follow the money, honey!

 

[Mr. H.]

What is the difference between climate change over the past millennia and climate change today?

The presence of whining bitching moaning manipulative domineering power hungry profit-seeking control freaks.