Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

[GreatestIam]

and what is this collective duty you refer to???

As I said, insuring that all other are free.

Regards
DL

 

[whitehall]

The post starts off with an ass backward statement and builds on the lie. Taxation doesn't determine what poverty levels exist. Taxation is based on economic success.

 

[daveman]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

"We all have to do our part. You go first. I'm a little short this week."

You don't need someone else to do the right thing first. You're just justifying your inaction.

 

[jc456]

because wealth is created and can be created by all you can have it so everyone has more and more and more with out causing anyone to have less

If all have more and more over time, why do children still starve by the tens of millions per year?

By your theory, they should not exist in poverty as there should not be any.

Regards
DL

Cause money can’t fix poor

 

[jc456]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

"We all have to do our part. You go first. I'm a little short this week."

You don't need someone else to do the right thing first. You're just justifying your inaction.

We work for a living

 

[daveman]

That's not science. It's ideology.

It is science and math, but it is mostly the immorality of the imposition of poverty that I wish to focus on. We can have an end game there with your ideology but science would be too drudge

Regards
DL

Post 150 showed you the science. All you have is wishful thinking and a desire for totalitarianism.

 

[daveman]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

wealth is not finite,,,it literally grows on trees and all it takes is initiative to go and get it,,,

Or government stooges with guns. That's the left's preferred method for getting wealth.

 

[daveman]

US Air Force...

My fight to preserve freedom for all

You mean slavery for all.
The one giving you orders has been bought and paid for by someone you do not know and would likely not respect.
It is not your fault that you and most of us are forced, as in all slave based economies, to do the best we can in any given situation.
We do not like that they have us all by the balls, we just grin and bear it while all trying in our own way to subvert the system.
Such is the way of entrenched tradition and why Jesus cursed them.
Not that anyone cares what Jesus taught.
Regards
DL

So, your solution to an over-powerful government is to give government all power over the economy.

You don't mind being a slave. You just want leftist slave masters.

No major changes please. Just a tweak of the tax numbers to what the population thinks is building to a more perfect union, as the constitution says.

Nice that such a simple change can give life to your law, for a change and really be, For The People..

Regards
DL

You seem to think the people taking the money will be happy with just a little.

You don't seem to know much about people.

I am always eager to learn anything new.

I actually did not care if they wanted more. The spending is more important and it is likely that in many cases, our oligarchs will see the profit in giving even more as that is how jobs are created.

When I say win win I mean win win.

Regards
DL

That has never worked as intended, and it never will. Your Utopia is doomed from the start.

 

[daveman]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

wealth is not finite,,,it literally grows on trees and all it takes is initiative to go and get it,,,

Be it whatever you like, it is still a representation that can be put on the graph and showing how we are leaving it as is is immoral.

We are ignoring profits by not doing a profitable change.

Regards
DL

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

― C. S. Lewis

 

[progressive hunter]

and what is this collective duty you refer to???

As I said, insuring that all other are free.

Regards
DL

then thats youre guys problem not ours,,,we have millions of people willing to risk death to get here, and you guys re fighting for your lives from the islamic invasion,,whats this the 5th time in 500 yrs thats happened to you???

its clear your a marxist shill pushing his bullshit to people that already know it doesnt work,,,

if not for us you would be speaking german and saluting the hitler of the time,,

better to just say thank you and keep your other opinions to yourself,,,

 

[TRFjr]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

and that ignorance right there is why you are so easily propagandized in believing in wealth redistribution
wake up stupid wealth is created its not finite its practically infinite one having more doesn't cause another to have less ​

I dealt with this by asking you to use the graph to express that and you failed and lost your point.

Go back to school. Dropouts are so lacking. That is why you guys use epithets so easily.

Regards
DL

if you give each of the 20% groups 10% more wealth that graph wouldnt move would it?
so I will ask whats the goal of wealth redistribution? is it to bring those below the poverty line above it is it to help out the middle class? is it to penalize and punish the wealthy
whats the intended goal?

 

[TRFjr]

because wealth is created and can be created by all you can have it so everyone has more and more and more with out causing anyone to have less

If all have more and more over time, why do children still starve by the tens of millions per year?

By your theory, they should not exist in poverty as there should not be any.

Regards
DL

its like the two kids on the beach playing in the sand
instead of complaining the other kid has more sand in his bucket then you and demanding some of his start digging your own dam sand

is creating wealth always easy? no its not
does luck play a role? sure in the hell does

but not putting forth the effort not rolling the dice gets you no where

 

[jc456]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

and that ignorance right there is why you are so easily propagandized in believing in wealth redistribution
wake up stupid wealth is created its not finite its practically infinite one having more doesn't cause another to have less ​

I dealt with this by asking you to use the graph to express that and you failed and lost your point.

Go back to school. Dropouts are so lacking. That is why you guys use epithets so easily.

Regards
DL

if you give each of the 20% groups 10% more wealth that graph wouldnt move would it?
so I will ask whats the goal of wealth redistribution? is it to bring those below the poverty line above it is it to help out the middle class? is it to penalize and punish the wealthy
whats the intended goal?

you could give the poor a million dollars and in two months they would have zero! It is a no win game with losers. The experiment has already been done, it’s called the lottery.

When all you know is what a dick and Pussy is you’re toast

 

[TRFjr]

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

and that ignorance right there is why you are so easily propagandized in believing in wealth redistribution
wake up stupid wealth is created its not finite its practically infinite one having more doesn't cause another to have less ​

I dealt with this by asking you to use the graph to express that and you failed and lost your point.

Go back to school. Dropouts are so lacking. That is why you guys use epithets so easily.

Regards
DL

if you give each of the 20% groups 10% more wealth that graph wouldnt move would it?
so I will ask whats the goal of wealth redistribution? is it to bring those below the poverty line above it is it to help out the middle class? is it to penalize and punish the wealthy
whats the intended goal?

you could give the poor a million dollars and in two months they would have zero! It is a no win game with losers. The experiment has already been done, it’s called the lottery.

When all you know is what a dick and Pussy is you’re toast

correct that money you redistribute to the poor will just make it back into the pockets of the wealthy
because the poor wont take that money and create any more with it all the will do is piss it away
its evident because if the poor knew how to create wealth they wouldnt be poor

 

[BrokeLoser]

Of course not. So why do you support plans and policies that ruin economies and keep people poor?

So advocating to reduce and end our imposed poverty, is me trying to bring down governments increase what can easily be decreased. Wow.

Good reasoning there buddy.

Regards
DL

How many times has that been tried? How many times has it failed? Hint: All of them.

NO REALLY ITLL WORK THIS TIME PINKYSWEAR is not a compelling argument.

To continue doing the same thing while expecting a different outcome is a sign of insanity.

You want the same old while I offer a logically sound theory that, as you can see, has few, if any, real arguments against.

Demographers will rule in the information age. I am showing you how that works. By having you visualize the actual small change on that graph to end poverty. Count the few bricks you have to move. Chump change for a huge profit.

Only a fool would be against moral action against governments that are knowingly imposing poverty.

Regards
DL

It is the only objective, period, the oligarchs are using the poor to shame the rich

Let us pray.

It does not seem to be working though.
Perhaps they have dumbed the rich down a tad too far.

Regards
DL

Haha...LefTard Logic:
“Rich people = Dumb”
“Dude begging for free shit in cyberspace = Smart”
Haha..Good stuff...Thanks!

 

[GreatestIam]

The post starts off with an ass backward statement and builds on the lie. Taxation doesn't determine what poverty levels exist. Taxation is based on economic success.

Taxation is based on many factors, including the willingness of people to pay it, but the source of taxing power is not relevant to the fact that it is there to be used to accomplish the desires of the people. That desire no longer really exists but hey, no one seem to care.

Power of taxation is the issue.

Regards
DL

 

[daveman]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

I will ask you do you believe wealth is finite that there is only a limited amount so when one has more it causes another to have less?

Yes.

That is why it is important to have all share the wealth equitably, which as that graph of finite wealth shows, is not happening at present and only needs a small adjustment to bring to a more perfect state. Just what the founding fathers wanted.

I wish you Americans would get the led out of your asses and get on with it. The whole world is waiting for you to lead. Get leading.

Regards
DL

and that ignorance right there is why you are so easily propagandized in believing in wealth redistribution
wake up stupid wealth is created its not finite its practically infinite one having more doesn't cause another to have less ​

I dealt with this by asking you to use the graph to express that and you failed and lost your point.

Go back to school. Dropouts are so lacking. That is why you guys use epithets so easily.

Regards
DL

if you give each of the 20% groups 10% more wealth that graph wouldnt move would it?
so I will ask whats the goal of wealth redistribution? is it to bring those below the poverty line above it is it to help out the middle class? is it to penalize and punish the wealthy
whats the intended goal?

Regardless of the intent, within 5 years, those who were given wealth they didn't earn would be poor again, and the wealthy would be just as wealthy again.

 

[GreatestIam]

because wealth is created and can be created by all you can have it so everyone has more and more and more with out causing anyone to have less

If all have more and more over time, why do children still starve by the tens of millions per year?

By your theory, they should not exist in poverty as there should not be any.

Regards
DL

Cause money can’t fix poor

I am open to suggestions, but give a ways and means chapter with it or it is just pie in the sky buddy.

Regards
DL

 

[daveman]

The post starts off with an ass backward statement and builds on the lie. Taxation doesn't determine what poverty levels exist. Taxation is based on economic success.

Taxation is based on many factors, including the willingness of people to pay it, but the source of taxing power is not relevant to the fact that it is there to be used to accomplish the desires of the people. That desire no longer really exists but hey, no one seem to care.

Power of taxation is the issue.

Regards
DL

Name one society that achieved equity through taxation. Hell, name one society that achieved equity.

 

[daveman]

because wealth is created and can be created by all you can have it so everyone has more and more and more with out causing anyone to have less

If all have more and more over time, why do children still starve by the tens of millions per year?

By your theory, they should not exist in poverty as there should not be any.

Regards
DL

Cause money can’t fix poor

I am open to suggestions, but give a ways and means chapter with it or it is just pie in the sky buddy.

Regards
DL

Post #150 that you keep ignoring.