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Thats your answer? Would you rather I tell you what species of creature that you reflect even though you broadcasted it with your avatar not to mention every single addled post of yours?This is a textbook example of you feeding your ego.
No, I couldn't get past your undeserved condescension and stopped reading there. You may believe it is logical to sit down and have tea with someone who is attacking you, but I don't.Thats your answer?
I wouldn't hold your breath. He's on a mission to subordinate Christianity in any way he can.Jesus lives in my heart, hobelim, I hope you will please cease criticizing my religion and my love for Jesus, who is my Master.
No, I couldn't get past your undeserved condescension and stopped reading there.
Thank you for proving my point.Undeserved? So you deny being a jackass on purpose? You do know people can read, don't you?
Did you stop reading the part of the Bible that clearly condemns what you do at mass?
Thank you for proving my point.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows your position already.No, thank you, once again, for helping me to reveal the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate by so openly demonstrating the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, consequent to setting that clear instruction aside
Convince me that the Bible says Yeshua is a created being.
John 1:
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Note, it does not say "any thing made that was made, except for Himself". You have to add that in. Anything that was made is pretty definitive.
During Creation, who is creating?
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Now, if you are saying that Yeshua created everything, and Genesis is saying that GOD created everything, the conclusion is that Yeshua is God.
Also, in Revelation 19,
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Note the bold. Where else do we see the title, "Lord of Lords"? Also note that this is no angel, as we see them called angels when they're referenced, in the next verse.
From Deuteronomy 10:
17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
God doesn't give other people His own titles.
Isaiah prophesied the Messiah's identity, this: "And his name shall be called Wonderful, Councillor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace," Handel's Messiah sings Isaiah's scripture so very beautifully. And legend has it that Handel was picky, picky, picky, picky about the translations being accurate to the nth degree. I've heard that from more than one choirmasters I had the privilege of singing the Messiah by Handel under their devoted-to-the-Lord praises-style Chorales.
As for himself, Jesus Christ insisted that the Apostles that when they prayed, they must pray to the Father. And as an example, he used the Lord's Prayer as the example. This is found in the book of Luke, Chapter 11, verses 2-4. Luke chapter 11 KJV (King James Version)
And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
As Trinitarians, you're not idolaters or offending YHWH Father, provided you sincerely love His Son.
In the Greek lexicons-At John 1:1 the true God called-Ton Theon=God, the word called Theon= god when in the same paragraph to show a difference, It occurs at 2 Cor 4:4 as well. In other spots of NT the true God is called Theon=God because one knows it speaks of the true God. But when both God and god is in the same paragraph, the true God was called Ton Theon.John 1:1
Jesus= John 17:3--The one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD=FatherThink for a moment about what you just said. First, there's absolutely nothing in Scripture to support that assertion. If you think there is, post it, don't just claim it. Second, where has God EVER given someone else one of His own titles or allowed them to claim it for themselves? Again, if you think Scripture supports it, post it.
Sorry, but you're just flailing to avoid an inescapable conclusion. We see Yeshua carrying both the name "Word of God", who created ALL things, and one of God's titles as He leads the armies of heaven. He is God.
Christ warned his disciples that there would be a lot of negatives about following his example of loving His Word, trying to do the right thing, and he left his example near the cross by blessing his haters and loving his enemies. He even gave them some credit when he said "they know not what they do." as they nailed his hands and ankles to the cross and running him through with a lance. I'm not sure that applies here. When I was young, I got sucked into a cult for a few weeks who decided everybody else except themselves did not love God as much as they did, and because I decided to go back to the church of my parents', the woman accused me falsely of having some kind of a relationship with her husband. I was stunned, because I thought of them as my sisters and brothers in the Lord. I told her that was not true, but I then realized what a hoax some people make of their beliefs, and they cannot see them in any other light than being first in line with God. The woman lied to herself, and I decided that I did the right thing by worshiping with friends and family that I loved, who also loved God, but they didn't present themselves to others as the only people God really loved. A lot of people go down that road of "God loves me more than you." and there's nothing you can do but to--as the song says-- take it to the Lord in prayer. I see people criticizing Churches they don't attend as demons every day. I read some time ago that Christ had disciples who were deeply disturbed that people they didn't know were preaching Christ's words in their own community, and they thought it was blasphemy. Christ told them that there would be many people preaching for him, and not to be overly concerned that they weren't their teachers, because there is nothing wrong with talking about Jesus and his wonderful Word. The Master himself allowed people to preach his words and bless him. I think the disciples caught on, but some things about life is a journey, not a destination. Nothing makes a better contemporary case for that than the Beatles song, "Let it Be.." And I learned that people who think everyone is going to hell but themselves have a lot to learn, because that accusation against me was a lie back then, and still is a lie. I loved my husband in that way, and nobody else for 44 years and going forward. I loved him because even though he didn't ever initiate speeches about the Bible or religion, everything he said or did defined what is written in the Bible. I learned from him you don't have to push minutia that is written with your mouth. Your actual deeds can be according to what Christ actually spoke of. I have never met anyone like my late husband who was adored by people for his good and thoughtful deeds and his sense of humor that cheered people up.I wouldn't hold your breath. He's on a mission to subordinate Christianity in any way he can.
Thank you, ding, for your kindness to me. My grandfather knew the Bible in a very positive light. He taught his fellow Christians at church all he could about the Bible, and when I was 14, he requested that I stay with the family's church. And once I was free from the lady who lied about me to my face, I returned to the family church and still love the precepts of the Bible, both New and Old Testaments having done what I could to please grandpa by teaching children in the family church how to read the Bible, remember scriptures, and enjoying God's love that never ends when we follow the precepts in the scriptures. It's a big book, and it is a blessing to read in it frequently.I'm pretty sure everyone knows your position already.
Or you will.And you will be amongst the mislead.
Isaiah prophesied the Messiah's identity, this: "And his name shall be called Wonderful, Councillor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace," Handel's Messiah sings Isaiah's scripture so very beautifully. And legend has it that Handel was picky, picky, picky, picky about the translations being accurate to the nth degree. I've heard that from more than one choirmasters I had the privilege of singing the Messiah by Handel under their devoted-to-the-Lord praises-style Chorales.
As for himself, Jesus Christ insisted that the Apostles that when they prayed, they must pray to the Father. And as an example, he used the Lord's Prayer as the example. This is found in the book of Luke, Chapter 11, verses 2-4. Luke chapter 11 KJV (King James Version)
And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
We should all be like your husband. Christianity was meant to be a billboard religion. That means we should show Christianity through our actions and not our words.Christ warned his disciples that there would be a lot of negatives about following his example of loving His Word, trying to do the right thing, and he left his example near the cross by blessing his haters and loving his enemies. He even gave them some credit when he said "they know not what they do." as they nailed his hands and ankles to the cross and running him through with a lance. I'm not sure that applies here. When I was young, I got sucked into a cult for a few weeks who decided everybody else except themselves did not love God as much as they did, and because I decided to go back to the church of my parents', the woman accused me falsely of having some kind of a relationship with her husband. I was stunned, because I thought of them as my sisters and brothers in the Lord. I told her that was not true, but I then realized what a hoax some people make of their beliefs, and they cannot see them in any other light than being first in line with God. The woman lied to herself, and I decided that I did the right thing by worshiping with friends and family that I loved, who also loved God, but they didn't present themselves to others as the only people God really loved. A lot of people go down that road of "God loves me more than you." and there's nothing you can do but to--as the song says-- take it to the Lord in prayer. I see people criticizing Churches they don't attend as demons every day. I read some time ago that Christ had disciples who were deeply disturbed that people they didn't know were preaching Christ's words in their own community, and they thought it was blasphemy. Christ told them that there would be many people preaching for him, and not to be overly concerned that they weren't their teachers, because there is nothing wrong with talking about Jesus and his wonderful Word. The Master himself allowed people to preach his words and bless him. I think the disciples caught on, but some things about life is a journey, not a destination. Nothing makes a better contemporary case for that than the Beatles song, "Let it Be.." And I learned that people who think everyone is going to hell but themselves have a lot to learn, because that accusation against me was a lie back then, and still is a lie. I loved my husband in that way, and nobody else for 44 years and going forward. I loved him because even though he didn't ever initiate speeches about the Bible or religion, everything he said or did defined what is written in the Bible. I learned from him you don't have to push minutia that is written with your mouth. Your actual deeds can be according to what Christ actually spoke of. I have never met anyone like my late husband who was adored by people for his good and thoughtful deeds and his sense of humor that cheered people up.
Thank you, ding, for your kindness to me. My grandfather knew the Bible in a very positive light. He taught his fellow Christians at church all he could about the Bible, and when I was 14, he requested that I stay with the family's church. And once I was free from the lady who lied about me to my face, I returned to the family church and still love the precepts of the Bible, both New and Old Testaments having done what I could to please grandpa by teaching children in the family church how to read the Bible, remember scriptures, and enjoying God's love that never ends when we follow the precepts in the scriptures. It's a big book, and it is a blessing to read in it frequently.
58 Bible Verses about Reading The Bible
Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
Romans 15:4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Joshua 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
Job 23:12 I have not departed from the commandment of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my portion of food.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Psalm 119:18 Open my eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of your law.
1 Peter 2:2 Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation
1 John 2:3-4 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
Psalm 119:11 I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.
2 Thessalonians 2:14-15 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
John 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
Luke 11:28 But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Matthew 4:4, But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
1 Corinthians 11:1-2 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times.
Psalm 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.
1 Peter 3:18-22 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord remains forever.” And this word is the good news that was preached to you.
James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Luke 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.
Psalm 119:97-100 Oh how I love your law! It is my meditation all the day. Your commandment makes me wiser than my enemies, for it is ever with me. I have more understanding than all my teachers, for your testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the aged, for I keep your precepts.
Psalm 19:7-11 The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the Lord are true, and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb. Moreover, by them is your servant warned; in keeping them there is great reward.
1 Chronicles 16:11 Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!
1 Peter 1:23 Since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Philippians 2:14-16 Do all things without grumbling or disputing, that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jeremiah 10:23 I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.
Psalm 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psalm 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; his steps do not slip.
Deuteronomy 11:18 “You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
2 Peter 1:3-11 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. ...
2 Timothy 3:1-17 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. ...
2 Timothy 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
1 Timothy 3:14-15 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.
Romans 2:6-8 He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Acts 2:38-39 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
John 20:19-24 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” ...
John 15:3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Matthew 13:23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”
Matthew 13:8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Matthew 7:24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.
Proverbs 4:20-22 My son, be attentive to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Let them not escape from your sight; keep them within your heart. For they are life to those who find them, and healing to all their flesh.
1 Samuel 3:10 And the Lord came and stood, calling as at other times, “Samuel! Samuel!” And Samuel said, “Speak, for your servant hears.”
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
John 6:67-71 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him.
John 6:50-71 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. ...
John 3:1-5 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Matthew 22:31 And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God:
Psalm 14:1-4 To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one. Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers who eat up my people as they eat bread and do not call upon the Lord?
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Jesus= John 17:3--The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD
False teachers= The Father, son and holy spirit = THE ONLY TRUE GOD
They do not match--Jesus' true followers believe him.
In the begining was the word. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.In the Greek lexicons-At John 1:1 the true God called-Ton Theon=God, the word called Theon= god when in the same paragraph to show a difference, It occurs at 2 Cor 4:4 as well. In other spots of NT the true God is called Theon=God because one knows it speaks of the true God. But when both God and god is in the same paragraph, the true God was called Ton Theon.
