Is man a spiritual being?

[ding]

Seriously what better cover is there for a militant atheist Jew than to disguise himself as believing in God so he can subordinate Christianity.

lol...


What I am actually doing is showing the only rational way to interpret the fantastical claims of scripture that conforms to and is confirmed by reality, the only rational way to interpret the irrational things that Christians already profess to believe, the only rational way to interpret the nutty things that Jesus said, the only rational way to understand and conform to divine law that fulfills the promise of life.

In the process the antichrist, unleashed on the world in 325 c.e. by Rome, will be completely destroyed.

You got a problem with that?

What’s an “atheist Jew”?

Whats an atheist Jew?

Any rational person who does not believe that a three in one mangod diddled a virgin to father himself to become fully human and fully God only to say things that no one understood until he turned himself into a matzo before he was killed, rose from the dead, and floated up into the sky.

A Jew who doesn’t believe in God and is actively engaged in subordinating the dominant religion of the land.

 

[RodISHI]

lol...


What I am actually doing is showing the only rational way to interpret the fantastical claims of scripture that conforms to and is confirmed by reality, the only rational way to interpret the irrational things that Christians already profess to believe, the only rational way to interpret the nutty things that Jesus said, the only rational way to understand and conform to divine law that fulfills the promise of life.

In the process the antichrist, unleashed on the world in 325 c.e. by Rome, will be completely destroyed.

You got a problem with that?

What’s an “atheist Jew”?

Atheist Jew is the usual socialist Jew. Strongly believes in the Talmud, and you are his cheap currency to wipe is ass with. Plus you like this, because you have faith in him when he tells you that there is no Satan.

Not to worry!

Once they realize that satan, the serpent of old, is a metaphor for whatever species of person convinced you to set aside the law of God and practice idolatry for spiritual life , the very thing that God promises results in death, they will be astonished, shut their mouths, and believe.

Jesus said that he didn't come to abolish God's law but to strengthen it. He also said that he is the light, so it is only through him that you can get anything. Therefore idolatery and setting aside God is when you don't believe in Him. The death part of your post is true and correct.

Exactly.

"He who sets aside even the least of the Laws demands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called the least in the kingdom of God"

Apparently, for some mysterious reason, Christians, as faithful and dedicated as they profess to be, don't believe in Jesus.

They claim the Law of God was abolished. Imagine that!


If you want to understand what Jesus meant by saying "the least in the kingdom of God", see Genesis 3:14

"They claim the Law of God was abolished", I have heard this too from some. Apparently they do not take the time to read the red words in their Bibles. Then again most publishers don't use red ink these days. For most humans it is pretty typical that comprehension depends on what they have been taught but also what is convenient. Don't you think though that it has all been permitted to go that way for a while?

 

[RodISHI]

There is no such thing as real proof in science.

There are only observations that lead to hypothesis, theories and laws. Any of which can be disproven at a later date.

I still need solid proof, otherwise it's just a theory. And that's one of the reasons that I started coming here, to see if anyone had any solid proof of god, a soul,... since some people believe so strongly, I thought maybe someone can convince me with some proof. But nope, hasn't happened so far.

Why do I need to convince you of your own beliefs? I asked you if you were spiritual.

I leave the spiritual door open, but I can't hang my hat on that, there's no solid proof. Humans want to keep living after they die so they concoct a whole series of myths.

Like your beliefs on reincarnation?

It's the only one that has actual proof.

You may be on to something here Taz. If the human lives for approximately 800 years or so they surely need new skins along the way. Common sense I would say but the word even goes a little further in describing this when Jesus tells us that we will be as the angels and with the host of Jacob one is able to see the angels coming and going.

 

[Karl Rand]

You may be on to something here Taz. If the human lives for approximately 800 years or so they surely need new skins along the way. Common sense I would say but the word even goes a little further in describing this when Jesus tells us that we will be as the angels and with the host of Jacob one is able to see the angels coming and going.

Maybe so but don’t forget, according to the standard theological explanation, one of the angles who went was Satan. How did an all loving deity allow that or was he simply bored with eternal perfection?

 

[RodISHI]

You may be on to something here Taz. If the human lives for approximately 800 years or so they surely need new skins along the way. Common sense I would say but the word even goes a little further in describing this when Jesus tells us that we will be as the angels and with the host of Jacob one is able to see the angels coming and going.

Maybe so but don’t forget, according to the standard theological explanation, one of the angles who went was Satan. How did an all loving deity allow that or was he simply bored with eternal perfection?

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun. At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?


BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

 

[Taz]

Seriously what better cover is there for a militant atheist Jew than to disguise himself as believing in God so he can subordinate Christianity.

lol...


What I am actually doing is showing the only rational way to interpret the fantastical claims of scripture that conforms to and is confirmed by reality, the only rational way to interpret the irrational things that Christians already profess to believe, the only rational way to interpret the nutty things that Jesus said, the only rational way to understand and conform to divine law that fulfills the promise of life.

In the process the antichrist, unleashed on the world in 325 c.e. by Rome, will be completely destroyed.

You got a problem with that?

What’s an “atheist Jew”?

Whats an atheist Jew?

Any rational person who does not believe that a three in one mangod diddled a virgin to father himself to become fully human and fully God only to say things that no one understood until he turned himself into a matzo before he was killed, rose from the dead, and floated up into the sky.

A Jew who doesn’t believe in God and is actively engaged in subordinating the dominant religion of the land.

A Jew who doesn’t believe in god is called an atheist.

 

[Taz]

I still need solid proof, otherwise it's just a theory. And that's one of the reasons that I started coming here, to see if anyone had any solid proof of god, a soul,... since some people believe so strongly, I thought maybe someone can convince me with some proof. But nope, hasn't happened so far.

Why do I need to convince you of your own beliefs? I asked you if you were spiritual.

I leave the spiritual door open, but I can't hang my hat on that, there's no solid proof. Humans want to keep living after they die so they concoct a whole series of myths.

Like your beliefs on reincarnation?

It's the only one that has actual proof.

You may be on to something here Taz. If the human lives for approximately 800 years or so they surely need new skins along the way. Common sense I would say but the word even goes a little further in describing this when Jesus tells us that we will be as the angels and with the host of Jacob one is able to see the angels coming and going.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[ding]

Seriously what better cover is there for a militant atheist Jew than to disguise himself as believing in God so he can subordinate Christianity.

lol...


What I am actually doing is showing the only rational way to interpret the fantastical claims of scripture that conforms to and is confirmed by reality, the only rational way to interpret the irrational things that Christians already profess to believe, the only rational way to interpret the nutty things that Jesus said, the only rational way to understand and conform to divine law that fulfills the promise of life.

In the process the antichrist, unleashed on the world in 325 c.e. by Rome, will be completely destroyed.

You got a problem with that?

What’s an “atheist Jew”?

Whats an atheist Jew?

Any rational person who does not believe that a three in one mangod diddled a virgin to father himself to become fully human and fully God only to say things that no one understood until he turned himself into a matzo before he was killed, rose from the dead, and floated up into the sky.

A Jew who doesn’t believe in God and is actively engaged in subordinating the dominant religion of the land.

A Jew who doesn’t believe in god is called an atheist.

Yep. And when they actively seek to subordinate the dominant religion of the land they are militant ones.

 

[RodISHI]

Why do I need to convince you of your own beliefs? I asked you if you were spiritual.

I leave the spiritual door open, but I can't hang my hat on that, there's no solid proof. Humans want to keep living after they die so they concoct a whole series of myths.

Like your beliefs on reincarnation?

It's the only one that has actual proof.

You may be on to something here Taz. If the human lives for approximately 800 years or so they surely need new skins along the way. Common sense I would say but the word even goes a little further in describing this when Jesus tells us that we will be as the angels and with the host of Jacob one is able to see the angels coming and going.

Wtf are you talking about?

I am sharing portions of the Bible with you so as to let you know that as a human (adam---you that person asleep or as the dead not knowing what the spirit in you is) reincarnation is there, just as you are stuck here on this planet. It is written about in, "that book of fairy tales" you claim you don't believe in.

 

[RodISHI]

 

[Karl Rand]

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun.

And pray tell, what was the purpose, if not the necessity?

At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?

Sorry, I don’t see how that’s related to the discussion.

BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

Did I say you were a theologian? By the way, that’s exactly what you’re discussing.
Maybe though it would help if we returned to the actually meaning of ’spiritual’ to see if we’re talking about the same thing.

 

[RodISHI]

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun.

And pray tell, what was the purpose, if not the necessity?

At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?

Sorry, I don’t see how that’s related to the discussion.

BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

Did I say you were a theologian? By the way, that’s exactly what you’re discussing.
Maybe though it would help if we returned to the actually meaning of ’spiritual’ to see if we’re talking about the same thing.

Spiritual, well I suppose different people could have different concepts of what that may mean. To be walking in the spirit what do you see? Do you know can you tell me?

 

[Karl Rand]

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun.

And pray tell, what was the purpose, if not the necessity?

At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?

Sorry, I don’t see how that’s related to the discussion.

BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

Did I say you were a theologian? By the way, that’s exactly what you’re discussing.
Maybe though it would help if we returned to the actually meaning of ’spiritual’ to see if we’re talking about the same thing.

Spiritual, well I suppose different people could have different concepts of what that may mean. To be walking in the spirit what do you see? Do you know can you tell me?

I don’t fall for that trap. If I say I’ve ‘not walked in the spirit’ you’ll tell me I can’t know what I’m talking about. You on the other hand, claiming you have, will tell me you ‘know’ that which I can’t possibly know. “Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile” Psalm 32.V:2.

 

[ding]

You are barking up the wrong tree, Karl. Rodishi is genuine as the day is long. She is one of the truly righteous.

You on the other hand are full of guile. You are an ax grinder and you even know why. I’m sure you have rationalized it away though as just and noble.

 

[RodISHI]

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun.

And pray tell, what was the purpose, if not the necessity?

At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?

Sorry, I don’t see how that’s related to the discussion.

BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

Did I say you were a theologian? By the way, that’s exactly what you’re discussing.
Maybe though it would help if we returned to the actually meaning of ’spiritual’ to see if we’re talking about the same thing.

Spiritual, well I suppose different people could have different concepts of what that may mean. To be walking in the spirit what do you see? Do you know can you tell me?

I don’t fall for that trap. If I say I’ve ‘not walked in the spirit’ you’ll tell me I can’t know what I’m talking about. You on the other hand, claiming you have, will tell me you ‘know’ that which I can’t possibly know. “Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile” Psalm 32.V:2.

You possibly presume to much. You want spirituality actually defined yet you do not seem to desire to give an explanation of what you believe it is.

 

[RodISHI]

You are barking up the wrong tree, Karl. Rodishi is genuine as the day is long. She is one of the truly righteous.

You on the other hand are full of guile. You are an ax grinder and you even know why. I’m sure you have rationalized it away though as just and noble.

Thanks Ding. Everything is a process of growing and learning here in this world. Can you picture standing on the clouds looking into the earth. I can, its like what are they thinking down there and then I can look back at laugh pretty hard at the things we have experience here.

I wonder about some of these folks on here and imagine what their spirits may look like if you came across them face to face. I also wonder if they could really handle seeing that devil's face in someone they know. How would they handled it or could they even handle it. Others we know stay asleep covered because they would die in their own shame if they knew the truth so they take a little more time and subject themselves along the way.

 

[Karl Rand]

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun.

And pray tell, what was the purpose, if not the necessity?

At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?

Sorry, I don’t see how that’s related to the discussion.

BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

Did I say you were a theologian? By the way, that’s exactly what you’re discussing.
Maybe though it would help if we returned to the actually meaning of ’spiritual’ to see if we’re talking about the same thing.

Spiritual, well I suppose different people could have different concepts of what that may mean. To be walking in the spirit what do you see? Do you know can you tell me?

I don’t fall for that trap. If I say I’ve ‘not walked in the spirit’ you’ll tell me I can’t know what I’m talking about. You on the other hand, claiming you have, will tell me you ‘know’ that which I can’t possibly know. “Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile” Psalm 32.V:2.

You possibly presume too much. You want spirituality actually defined yet you do not seem to desire to give an explanation of what you believe it is.

Which particular form of ‘it’ are you referring to? Or to put it another way, spirituality covers a multitude of sins.

 

[ding]

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun.

And pray tell, what was the purpose, if not the necessity?

At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?

Sorry, I don’t see how that’s related to the discussion.

BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

Did I say you were a theologian? By the way, that’s exactly what you’re discussing.
Maybe though it would help if we returned to the actually meaning of ’spiritual’ to see if we’re talking about the same thing.

Spiritual, well I suppose different people could have different concepts of what that may mean. To be walking in the spirit what do you see? Do you know can you tell me?

I don’t fall for that trap. If I say I’ve ‘not walked in the spirit’ you’ll tell me I can’t know what I’m talking about. You on the other hand, claiming you have, will tell me you ‘know’ that which I can’t possibly know. “Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile” Psalm 32.V:2.

You possibly presume too much. You want spirituality actually defined yet you do not seem to desire to give an explanation of what you believe it is.

Which particular form of ‘it’ are you referring to? Or to put it another way, spirituality covers a multitude of sins.

You wrote, "Maybe though it would help if we returned to the actually meaning of ’spiritual’ to see if we’re talking about the same thing."

Rodishi replied, "Spiritual, well I suppose different people could have different concepts of what that may mean. To be walking in the spirit what do you see? Do you know can you tell me?"

You wrote, "I don’t fall for that trap"

Rodishi replied, "You want spirituality actually defined yet you do not seem to desire to give an explanation of what you believe it is."

You wrote, "Which particular form of ‘it’ are you referring to?"

Now, do I need to explain this to you? Because you were the one who started the conversation about defining what it meant.

 

[BreezeWood]

You may be on to something here Taz. If the human lives for approximately 800 years or so they surely need new skins along the way. Common sense I would say but the word even goes a little further in describing this when Jesus tells us that we will be as the angels and with the host of Jacob one is able to see the angels coming and going.

Maybe so but don’t forget, according to the standard theological explanation, one of the angles who went was Satan. How did an all loving deity allow that or was he simply bored with eternal perfection?

The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun. At this point who gets big headed thinking they are smarter and brighter than God other than lowly humans?


BTW, I am not a theologian so if you wanna discuss theology you'll have to find someone else for that.

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The adversary (satan) was created for a purpose just like everything else under the sun.

only in your 4th century book, christian ...

 

[sealybobo]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss if man is predisposed to spirituality.

Since the beginning of man, man has had belief in a higher power. This belief has persisted throughout man’s existence.

Even today man overwhelming identifies himself as spiritual. So even though the grouping between belief in a specific religion may be declining, man has not abandoned his belief that he is more than just matter.

Man has not completely abandoned the belief. Not yet. Give it Time.

Man also knew that women should not be priests. Did god tell them that or did they just make that up?

I can totally see how a simple mind would decide a god must have put us here but the more you learn the easier it it to consider maybe we just made that up because we just don’t know.

And remember it wasn’t enough to just believe a god exists humans had to lie and say he visited and continue to lie for thousands of years.

And force everyone to be a member.

Who knows how many atheists would exist if being one was an option the last 7000 years.

It’s only been acceptable to be an atheist for about 40 years. 40 vs 7000. Think ding. You’ve been brainwashed.