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Liberals simply cannot admit to themselves that a large majority of people reject their agenda.
a large majority of people reject the Conservative agenda too......so whats left?.....
Are you saying I personally called people anti-American for not supporting the invasion of Iraq?What a load of crap. I guess you don't remember calling people anti-american for not supporting Bush' little trip to Iraq. I will never forget it. Obviously you want to forget it because we were right. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq.
Obama is ever so dreamy. He's the bestest President ever!!I don't have to wait for Obama to find any al Qaeda...He already did, in Pakistan, and killed the MF. Your side couldn't find him in 7 yrs. Of course as Bush says himself, he didn't concern himself with OBL. But there were a whole hell of a lot of us that did care and there were kids that never knew life without that boogy man.
You can mock the president all you want, but he took a big, black cloud off of our backs with the assination of OBL. And while you might try and spin the facts there are little kids going to bed tonight that know they don't have to be afraid of that boogy man anymore.
Liberals simply cannot admit to themselves that a large majority of people reject their agenda.
a large majority of people reject the Conservative agenda too......so whats left?.....
great then you 2 should hook up and start this 3rd party everyone seems to be waiting for........Liberals simply cannot admit to themselves that a large majority of people reject their agenda.
a large majority of people reject the Conservative agenda too......so whats left?.....
People believing that conservatives should advance a conservative agenda on their own rather then through government force and that liberals should advance a liberal agenda on their own rather then through government force.
We are called libertarians. A true conservative or a true liberal would be a political libertarian because that is the only way they are actually free to pursue their goals
Yes they are. And this isn't the first time or even the worst thing they've done. Remember how they responded to the terrorists attacks on Clinton's watch? Did you see them rushing out all sorts of anti terrorism legislation back then? No, you didn't, because for the Republicans us being attacked while a Democrat was in the White House was a political plus
I am sure you were 100% behind the Patriot Act that Bush signed into law.
Do you really think that Clinton's response to the terrorist attacks while he was in office warranted anti-terrorist legislation? Clinton considered the first attack on the World Trade Center a law enforcement problem. He had a Democrat majority in the House and the Senate at the time and I didn't see any rush for anti-terrorist legislation from them.
As I recall, Clinton wouldn't even acknowledge that the attack on the USS Cole was a terrorist act, and he damned well didn't ask for any legislation.
There are actually two reasons why you believe that Clinton didn't do very much. First was because he was under attack that that was pretty much all the media fixated on. After all we wouldn't want to miss a good sex scandal would we?
But the second is that congress did all they could to prevent him from doing anything. Did you know that Clinton issued an executive order seizing OBL's bank accounts? Yep, and informed congress after he did it.
TEXT: CLINTON LETTER TO CONGRESS ON FREEZING BIN LADIN ASSETS
News from the USIA Washington File
He also tried to get an anti-terrorism bill passed. From 1995
Clinton Urges Fast Action on Terrorism Bill
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/09/us/clinton-urges-fast-action-on-terrorism-bill.htm
WHITE HOUSE FACT SHEET ON COUNTER-TERRORISM MEASURES
White House Counter-Terrorism Fact Sheet
I wasn't living in the US during most of the 90's so after 9/11 when the right was blaming Clinton for the attack I started doing some research. What I found was that the right was going after Clinton on every front. I still have a little more info, but sadly as time goes on more links are becoming inactive.
Liberals simply cannot admit to themselves that a large majority of people reject their agenda.
a large majority of people reject the Conservative agenda too......so whats left?.....
And you base this "large majority" on what factual information?
.......half this Country just does not seem to want to play ball with the other half.....thats my "factual" information.....You still haven't explained how the government is entitled to take my money. It's a moral question. I know that makes it difficult for a lib to answer.
Because paying taxes is good for America.
But modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.
No, paying taxes is not good for America. Furthermore, that doesn't explain how the government is entitled to take my money. All it says is that you approve.
I'd ask you why we should care about $516 trillion in derivatives, but you've already shown your inability to do simple math.Some people are saying no, see the 'argument' against, here:
Schumer's conspiracy theory: GOP sabotaging recovery | David Freddoso | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner
The evidence suggests Schumer's on to something. The House of Representatives has offered no debate on the issue of unemployment and has passed only 18 bills since taking control in January. 15 of those bills were passed to name federal buildings after someone. This do-nothing congress sees no urgency as millions of Americans are out of work, work one or two or three part time jobs simply to pay rent or the morgage on a home underwater.
The GOP leadership in both houses of congress has opposed all efforts by the president, and even turned down an offer by President Obama to reduce the payroll tax for businees. It seems ideology is only an excuse, the real reason is their lust for power.
The Republicans created 93% of the National Debt, allowed Wall Street to run a $516 trillion dollar derivative Ponzi scheme, got us into two useless wars, and now they want to wreck the economy again, force women to have unwanted children, kill Medicare, and kill Social Security.
The are evil.
I'd ask you why we should care about $516 trillion in derivatives, but you've already shown your inability to do simple math.The Republicans created 93% of the National Debt, allowed Wall Street to run a $516 trillion dollar derivative Ponzi scheme, got us into two useless wars, and now they want to wreck the economy again, force women to have unwanted children, kill Medicare, and kill Social Security.
The are evil.
Are you really this stupid?
It was the derivative bubble that brought down our economy.
My earning the money in the United States makes it the government's money? I thought the government was for the benefit of the people, not the other way around. Then again I'm not a Marxist like you are.
you seem to be a rational guy here, so let me throw a Q out there....is it perhaps better to determine how much money via taxes it is reasonable to part from someone before the amount changes behavior to the extent it becomes counter productive?
Personally I think that number is around 33-38 %.
Depends.
Taxes and work « Consider the Evidence
My earning the money in the United States makes it the government's money? I thought the government was for the benefit of the people, not the other way around. Then again I'm not a Marxist like you are.
you seem to be a rational guy here, so let me throw a Q out there....is it perhaps better to determine how much money via taxes it is reasonable to part from someone before the amount changes behavior to the extent it becomes counter productive?
Personally I think that number is around 33-38 %.
I personally don't think government should ever take more then 10% of a dollar earned. Though I realize that's not the question you asked. I think you're still a bit high, but if that includes all taxes and not just Federal Income it's probably not that far off.
I personally support the Fair Tax. Perfect, no. But the best proposal I've seen. The reality is that all taxes are in the end baked into the price of products we buy (except the death tax). By taxing it directly we benefit from the removal of government using taxes to further it's power, redundant tax collection systems, waste in calculating taxes and disincentives to the free pursuit of earnings and investment.
Well, I would say there are more Righties who do it on this site, but if you went over to DemocraticUnderground.com, you would find many more Lefties who do it.Yes.Synth.....yes or no.....are their Liberals here who do the same thing day in and day out?.....
thank you for being honest .....there a few "Libs" here that when i ask them that......they go into a big song and dance.....but never answer the question.....same with the overly Right Righties here......
Since when is someone wishing for a President to fail considered a traitorous act? Does the term 'the loyal opposition' ring a bell for you?
Now that Obama has bombed six sovereign nations, which is an act of war by any definition, we can't afford for him to get another term.
I can hardly wait for this community organizer to discover an al queda operative in Russia or China. They will not put up with his aggression and you just thought Bush was a cowboy.
Now, it's treason.
What a load of crap. I guess you don't remember calling people anti-american for not supporting Bush' little trip to Iraq. I will never forget it. Obviously you want to forget it because we were right. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq.
I don't have to wait for Obama to find any al Qaeda...He already did, in Pakistan, and killed the MF. Your side couldn't find him in 7 yrs. Of course as Bush says himself, he didn't concern himself with OBL. But there were a whole hell of a lot of us that did care and there were kids that never knew life without that boogy man.
You can mock the president all you want, but he took a big, black cloud off of our backs with the assination of OBL. And while you might try and spin the facts there are little kids going to bed tonight that know they don't have to be afraid of that boogy man anymore.
Modern day liberalism is the political codification of covetousness.Because paying taxes is good for America.
But modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.
No, paying taxes is not good for America. Furthermore, that doesn't explain how the government is entitled to take my money. All it says is that you approve.
Like I said, modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfshness.
It is patriotic to pay taxes.
Liberals simply cannot admit to themselves that a large majority of people reject their agenda.
a large majority of people reject the Conservative agenda too......so whats left?.....
People believing that conservatives should advance a conservative agenda on their own rather then through government force and that liberals should advance a liberal agenda on their own rather then through government force.
We are called libertarians. A true conservative or a true liberal would be a political libertarian because that is the only way they are actually free to pursue their goals
It is patriotic to pay taxes.
Now, it's treason.
What a load of crap. I guess you don't remember calling people anti-american for not supporting Bush' little trip to Iraq. I will never forget it. Obviously you want to forget it because we were right. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq.
I don't have to wait for Obama to find any al Qaeda...He already did, in Pakistan, and killed the MF. Your side couldn't find him in 7 yrs. Of course as Bush says himself, he didn't concern himself with OBL. But there were a whole hell of a lot of us that did care and there were kids that never knew life without that boogy man.
You can mock the president all you want, but he took a big, black cloud off of our backs with the assination of OBL. And while you might try and spin the facts there are little kids going to bed tonight that know they don't have to be afraid of that boogy man anymore.
the jury is still out on the iraq invasion susan.
a large majority of people reject the Conservative agenda too......so whats left?.....
People believing that conservatives should advance a conservative agenda on their own rather then through government force and that liberals should advance a liberal agenda on their own rather then through government force.
We are called libertarians. A true conservative or a true liberal would be a political libertarian because that is the only way they are actually free to pursue their goals
I am a liberal and have been a liberal for 50 years. I am not a libertarian of any kind and heaven only knows I don't need them for anything, especially my freedom. I don't need that bunch of pantywaists to be free. In fact since they are totally against single payer healthcare insurance I don't think they actually promote freedom for anyone, except the insurance company profits of course. They choose money over people. No "true" liberal would ever do that. So please, stop this crap because it kind of makes me feel ill.
True freedom is being healthy and having the money to get well if sick. And those pantywaists would support the status quo to make sure that the insurance companies make maximum profits. This is nothing esoteric, not smart words. But real living. I'm an old lady now and I have watched with despair as people have lost everything because they got sick.
And you bring up libertarianism and freedom in the same sentence? What a crock.
a large majority of people reject the Conservative agenda too......so whats left?.....
People believing that conservatives should advance a conservative agenda on their own rather then through government force and that liberals should advance a liberal agenda on their own rather then through government force.
We are called libertarians. A true conservative or a true liberal would be a political libertarian because that is the only way they are actually free to pursue their goals
I am a liberal and have been a liberal for 50 years. I am not a libertarian of any kind and heaven only knows I don't need them for anything, especially my freedom. I don't need that bunch of pantywaists to be free. In fact since they are totally against single payer healthcare insurance I don't think they actually promote freedom for anyone, except the insurance company profits of course. They choose money over people. No "true" liberal would ever do that. So please, stop this crap because it kind of makes me feel ill.
True freedom is being healthy and having the money to get well if sick. And those pantywaists would support the status quo to make sure that the insurance companies make maximum profits. This is nothing esoteric, not smart words. But real living. I'm an old lady now and I have watched with despair as people have lost everything because they got sick.
And you bring up libertarianism and freedom in the same sentence? What a crock.
