Is the GOP intentionally preventing a recovery?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Every doctor on the face of the Earth says CO2 is harmless in the quantities present in the atmosphere.

CO2 is heavier than air and is a serious threat to humans if and when it is concentrated in a low area. Here is an interesting article on natural CO2 emissions.
Carbon Dioxide and Helium Discharge from Mammoth Mountain, Long Valley caldera, California

What puzzles me is how CO2 causes global warming if it is heavier than air and comes from a car tailpipe or a high flying jet.

Just in case you really are interested here is a very good link.

Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined

I encourage everyone to find out for themselves how the science on this works. When I was trying to educate myself I found this website offered some very good info. It is non-political.

If you ever watched Al Gore's miserable movie, you could see that temperature increases occurred before the CO2 increases. His own charts disproved his claims. LOL!

 

[bripat9643]

Since when is the AMA qualified to give an opinion on the topic of global warming?

First, you have to prove that human produce carbon dioxide causes global warming. Since we all know that's nothing but a colossal swindle, we can ignore the rest of what the AMA has to say. It's all based on a false premise.

Furthermore, all the "health consequences" the AMA lists are in fact not the result of global warming. When the Earth's climate warms, the amount of rainfall increases, not decreases. The historical evidence shows that a warmer world has a milder climate with smaller weather extremes, not greater. The claim about spreading infectious diseases has been emphatically debunked.

In other words, the piece is a work of propaganda by political functionaries.

The question under discussion is whether CO2 is toxic, not whether it causes global warming.

I don't think I'm ever going to get over how the RW just throws out a statement like this and nobody challenges it. It's absurd to even consider that.

This is from the AMA website.

AMA meeting: Global warming has health toll, delegates warn

Orlando, Fla. -- Most climate scientists say the Earth is getting hotter and that human activity is speeding up the process. At its Interim Meeting in November, the AMA House of Delegates agreed with the scientific consensus.

The house endorsed the findings of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Delegates also warned that climate change could have dramatic public health consequences, causing heat waves, drought and flooding, cutting potable water supplies, displacing populations and spreading infectious diseases.

Policymakers should "work to reduce human contributions" to global warming, says the AMA's new policy, which is based on a report from the Association's Council on Science and Public Health.

amednews: AMA meeting: Global warming has health toll, delegates warn :: Dec. 1, 2008 ... American Medical News

Warming Threatens Public Health, Groups Warn

Medical and public health groups are banding together to explain how global warming has taken a toll on human health and will continue to cause food-borne illnesses, respiratory problems, and deaths unless policy changes are enacted.

In a Thursday conference call with reporters, the heads of the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American Public Health Association (APHA) joined with a pediatrician and a scientist to lay out what they say is a major public health issue: climate change caused by global warming.

The "evidence has only grown stronger" that climate change is responsible for an increasing number of health ills, including asthma, diarrheal disease, and even deaths from extreme weather such as heat waves, said Georges Benjamin, MD, executive director of the APHA.

Medical News: Warming Threatens Public Health, Groups Warn - in Public Health & Policy, Environmental Health from MedPage Today

 

[bripat9643]

Your claim that you endorse the principles laid down by the Declaration of Indepence is laughable. Everything you post is an attack on those principles.

The loud and proud conservative element on this message board, four of whom I singled out recently, aren't interested in facts, they actually believe the platitudes they post and believe anyone who disagrees or questions what they hold as immutable truths is a "commie" or left wing "libtard"

The greater threat to America today is not from foreign shores, it hides in the soul of bigots and racists - of all colors and creeds - and extremists left and right who reject the basic, fundamental truth which we celebrate today:

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states."

 

[daveman]

Your claim that you endorse the principles laid down by the Declaration of Indepence is laughable. Everything you post is an attack on those principles.

The loud and proud conservative element on this message board, four of whom I singled out recently, aren't interested in facts, they actually believe the platitudes they post and believe anyone who disagrees or questions what they hold as immutable truths is a "commie" or left wing "libtard"

The greater threat to America today is not from foreign shores, it hides in the soul of bigots and racists - of all colors and creeds - and extremists left and right who reject the basic, fundamental truth which we celebrate today:

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states."

Liberalism denies that all men are created equal.

 

[The T]

No, they've abandoned their conservative principles in favor of paying back special interest groups -- what the Democrats are all about.

thats what most Politicians are all about on both sides,paying back the Special Interest Groups......i see the Conservative Religious types having a lot of input about the GOP policies,to much as far as i am concerned.......to me thats going Right not Left.....where are the Moderate and Liberal Conservatives at?......on the other side....where are the Moderate and Conservative Democrats at?.....why are they allowing Rdean types to have so much input into their policies?.........

The TEA Party has had an influence on the GOP, reminding them of what they're supposed to be about. Whether that lesson sticks is a different matter.

Correct. And the GOP is still on probation. Boehner and the boys in the old guard blue-bloods had better take stock of this fact lest they find themselves defunct.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's been offered a thousand times. Here, I'll repeat it for you one more time: cut taxes, cut spending, cut regulation.

I doubt it will penetrate your skull no matter how many times it's repeated.

Cut taxes?

Are you nuts? We have a trillion dollar deficit!

We have to cut spending and raise taxes. It's simple mathematics.

Cut regulation? How did that work out with Wall Street?

Oh, yea, IT DESTROYED THE ECONOMY!

Which cuts in regulation do you feel destroyed the economy?
Spell it out.

Abandoning PAYGO, which was effectively a regulation Congress imposed on itself, is what busted the budget in the during Bush's tenure.

 

[Susan45]

Since when is the AMA qualified to give an opinion on the topic of global warming?

First, you have to prove that human produce carbon dioxide causes global warming. Since we all know that's nothing but a colossal swindle, we can ignore the rest of what the AMA has to say. It's all based on a false premise.

Furthermore, all the "health consequences" the AMA lists are in fact not the result of global warming. When the Earth's climate warms, the amount of rainfall increases, not decreases. The historical evidence shows that a warmer world has a milder climate with smaller weather extremes, not greater. The claim about spreading infectious diseases has been emphatically debunked.

In other words, the piece is a work of propaganda by political functionaries.

The question under discussion is whether CO2 is toxic, not whether it causes global warming.

HAHAHAHA!! This is what you posted...

Every doctor on the face of the Earth says CO2 is harmless in the quantities present in the atmosphere.

I answered this question, and now you want to change the question? HAHAHAHA!!!

No...not every doctor says that CO2 is harmless blah, blah, blah.

 

[Susan45]

The loud and proud conservative element on this message board, four of whom I singled out recently, aren't interested in facts, they actually believe the platitudes they post and believe anyone who disagrees or questions what they hold as immutable truths is a "commie" or left wing "libtard"

The greater threat to America today is not from foreign shores, it hides in the soul of bigots and racists - of all colors and creeds - and extremists left and right who reject the basic, fundamental truth which we celebrate today:

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states."

Terrific post and appropriate for today.

 

[Trajan]

But Bachmann said that CO2 is harmless, so it must be true.

Every doctor on the face of the Earth says CO2 is harmless in the quantities present in the atmosphere.

I don't think I'm ever going to get over how the RW just throws out a statement like this and nobody challenges it. It's absurd to even consider that.

This is from the AMA website.

AMA meeting: Global warming has health toll, delegates warn

Orlando, Fla. -- Most climate scientists say the Earth is getting hotter and that human activity is speeding up the process. At its Interim Meeting in November, the AMA House of Delegates agreed with the scientific consensus.

The house endorsed the findings of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Delegates also warned that climate change could have dramatic public health consequences, causing heat waves, drought and flooding, cutting potable water supplies, displacing populations and spreading infectious diseases.

Policymakers should "work to reduce human contributions" to global warming, says the AMA's new policy, which is based on a report from the Association's Council on Science and Public Health.

amednews: AMA meeting: Global warming has health toll, delegates warn :: Dec. 1, 2008 ... American Medical News

Warming Threatens Public Health, Groups Warn

Medical and public health groups are banding together to explain how global warming has taken a toll on human health and will continue to cause food-borne illnesses, respiratory problems, and deaths unless policy changes are enacted.

In a Thursday conference call with reporters, the heads of the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American Public Health Association (APHA) joined with a pediatrician and a scientist to lay out what they say is a major public health issue: climate change caused by global warming.

The "evidence has only grown stronger" that climate change is responsible for an increasing number of health ills, including asthma, diarrheal disease, and even deaths from extreme weather such as heat waves, said Georges Benjamin, MD, executive director of the APHA.

Medical News: Warming Threatens Public Health, Groups Warn - in Public Health & Policy, Environmental Health from MedPage Today

I don't think I'm ever going to get over how the RW just throws out a statement like this and nobody challenges it. It's absurd to even consider that.

 

[Susan45]

Have a smile today...

From Mark Fiori in 2004

Gay Agenda 2/18/04

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The loud and proud conservative element on this message board, four of whom I singled out recently, aren't interested in facts, they actually believe the platitudes they post and believe anyone who disagrees or questions what they hold as immutable truths is a "commie" or left wing "libtard"

Exactly.

To wit:

Liberalism denies that all men are created equal.

 

[appleannie1]

approximately 0.035%. Short-term exposure to CO2 at levels below 2% (20,000 parts per million or ppm) has not been reported to cause harmful effects. Higher concentrations can affect respiratory function and cause excitation followed by depression of the central nervous system. High concentrations of CO2 can displace oxygen in the air, resulting in lower oxygen concentrations for breathing. Therefore, effects of oxygen deficiency may be combined with effects of CO2 toxicity.

Volunteers exposed to 3.3% or 5.4% CO2 for 15 minutes experienced increased depth of breathing. At 7.5%, a feeling of an inability to breathe (dyspnea), increased pulse rate, headache, dizziness, sweating, restlessness, disorientation, and visual distortion developed. Twenty-minute exposures to 6.5 or 7.5% decreased mental performance. Irritability and discomfort were reported with exposure to 6.5% for approximately 70 minutes. Exposure to 6% for several minutes, or 30% for 20-30 seconds, has affected the heart, as evidenced by altered electrocardiograms.

Workers briefly exposed to very high concentrations showed damage to the retina, sensitivity to light (photophobia), abnormal eye movements, constriction of visual fields, and enlargement of blind spots. Exposure to up to 3.0% for over 15 hours, for six days, resulted in decreased night vision and colour sensitivity.

Exposure to 10% for 1.5 minutes has caused eye flickering, excitation and increased muscle activity and twitching. Concentrations greater than 10% have caused difficulty in breathing, impaired hearing, nausea, vomiting, a strangling sensation, sweating, stupor within several minutes and loss of consciousness within 15 minutes. Exposure to 30% has quickly resulted in unconsciousness and convulsions. Several deaths have been attributed to exposure to concentrations greater than 20%. Effects of CO2 can become more pronounced upon physical exertion, such as heavy work.



So the answer is YES. High levels of CO2 in the atmosphere can harm human health.

 

[daveman]

The loud and proud conservative element on this message board, four of whom I singled out recently, aren't interested in facts, they actually believe the platitudes they post and believe anyone who disagrees or questions what they hold as immutable truths is a "commie" or left wing "libtard"

Exactly.

To wit:

Liberalism denies that all men are created equal.

Do you support affirmative action and hiring quotas?

 

[daveman]

approximately 0.035%. Short-term exposure to CO2 at levels below 2% (20,000 parts per million or ppm) has not been reported to cause harmful effects. Higher concentrations can affect respiratory function and cause excitation followed by depression of the central nervous system. High concentrations of CO2 can displace oxygen in the air, resulting in lower oxygen concentrations for breathing. Therefore, effects of oxygen deficiency may be combined with effects of CO2 toxicity.

Volunteers exposed to 3.3% or 5.4% CO2 for 15 minutes experienced increased depth of breathing. At 7.5%, a feeling of an inability to breathe (dyspnea), increased pulse rate, headache, dizziness, sweating, restlessness, disorientation, and visual distortion developed. Twenty-minute exposures to 6.5 or 7.5% decreased mental performance. Irritability and discomfort were reported with exposure to 6.5% for approximately 70 minutes. Exposure to 6% for several minutes, or 30% for 20-30 seconds, has affected the heart, as evidenced by altered electrocardiograms.

Workers briefly exposed to very high concentrations showed damage to the retina, sensitivity to light (photophobia), abnormal eye movements, constriction of visual fields, and enlargement of blind spots. Exposure to up to 3.0% for over 15 hours, for six days, resulted in decreased night vision and colour sensitivity.

Exposure to 10% for 1.5 minutes has caused eye flickering, excitation and increased muscle activity and twitching. Concentrations greater than 10% have caused difficulty in breathing, impaired hearing, nausea, vomiting, a strangling sensation, sweating, stupor within several minutes and loss of consciousness within 15 minutes. Exposure to 30% has quickly resulted in unconsciousness and convulsions. Several deaths have been attributed to exposure to concentrations greater than 20%. Effects of CO2 can become more pronounced upon physical exertion, such as heavy work.



So the answer is YES. High levels of CO2 in the atmosphere can harm human health.

It's a damn good thing that atmospheric CO2 is nowhere near those levels, huh?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Cut taxes?

Are you nuts? We have a trillion dollar deficit!

We have to cut spending and raise taxes. It's simple mathematics.

Cut regulation? How did that work out with Wall Street?

Oh, yea, IT DESTROYED THE ECONOMY!

Which cuts in regulation do you feel destroyed the economy?
Spell it out.

Abandoning PAYGO, which was effectively a regulation Congress imposed on itself, is what busted the budget in the during Bush's tenure.

Paygo?

Paygo was bullshit... Clinton ran a deficit fr 8 years and financed it through the raiding of SS and other intergovernmental funds. And thanks to massive defense cuts, he did come close in '98 to closing the gap; but still he never did.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Have a smile today...

From Mark Fiori in 2004

Gay Agenda 2/18/04

One cartoon is worth a thousand denials; hypocrisy is a Traditional 'Value' of the Conservative extremist.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Plundering the productive and doling out the swag to their favored constituent groups is the fundamental principle of the Democrat party.

its that way with the Republican Party too.....dole out the most to the group who gave the most....

The main constituency of the Republican party is productive members of society who are paying the freight for all the tics in the Democrat party. Why would they want the government to shake them down just so they could get a small percentage back?

and you dont think that the main Constituency of the Democratic Party is productive members of Society who are in turn paying the freight for all the tics in the Republican Party?....

 

[daveman]

Have a smile today...

From Mark Fiori in 2004

Gay Agenda 2/18/04

One cartoon is worth a thousand denials; hypocrisy is a Traditional 'Value' of the Conservative extremist.

Yet you refuse to hold accountable the Democrats who vote against gay marriage referenda.

Why is that?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Which cuts in regulation do you feel destroyed the economy?
Spell it out.

Abandoning PAYGO, which was effectively a regulation Congress imposed on itself, is what busted the budget in the during Bush's tenure.

Paygo?

Paygo was bullshit... Clinton ran a deficit fr 8 years and financed it through the raiding of SS and other intergovernmental funds. And thanks to massive defense cuts, he did come close in '98 to closing the gap; but still he never did.

Paygo isn't practicle, but the line item veto makes sense. Why not allow a president the authority to cut spending in a way all of us can see?

 

[bripat9643]

I said "at levels present in the atmosphere." Virtually any substance can be toxic if consumed in sufficient quantities, including H2O.

Do you want humans to quit using water?

So the answer is YES. High levels of CO2 in the atmosphere can harm human health.