Is the Pope A Communist Or Good Christian?...

[Maryland Patriot]

Well, with all the controversy surrounding this Pope, it's time for you to sound off and vote. Is he a Communist or is he a Good Christian? You make the call.

He is a socialist….the last step before true communism….

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." - Mark 10:21

The Rich Young Man
…21Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property. 23And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"…

Matthew 25:26-30


"But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12


For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.

Proverbs 6:6-8


Go to the ant, O sluggard, Observe her ways and be wise, Which, having no chief, Officer or ruler, Prepares her food in the summer And gathers her provision in the harvest.

1 Thessalonians 2:9


For you recall, brethren, our labor and hardship, how working night and day so as not to be a burden to any of you, we proclaimed to you the gospel of God

Proverbs 18:9


He also who is slack in his work Is brother to him who destroys.

Proverbs 6:9-11


How long will you lie down, O sluggard? When will you arise from your sleep? "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest"-- Your poverty will come in like a vagabond And your need like an armed man.

 

[Pogo]

What is getting the far right's panties in a wad is when the Pope follows the Bible's direction regarding helping the weak and the poor, greed and destroying God's Earth.
There are a ton of Bible verses about helping the disadvantaged and the sin of greed. The Bible clearly states that God will destroy those who destroy God's Earth.
Because the Pope is following God's direction on these issues, the far right calls him a communist/socialist.
Doesn't any far right folks ever read the Bible, ever?
On the other hand, the Pope has made hard comments about abortion and gay marriages that follow the right's philosophy.
Why is it I don't see the left whining about those stances.
The right just hates the Pope because he quotes the Bible and it goes directly at their in-Christian ideology and they are the Party of God?

My problem has nothing to do with that.
Its the fact that the pope walks around with more self righteous attitude than Jesus Christ did. Jesus was humble, the pope is not.
we wont even get into the financial end of the Catholic church or their worshiping false idols.

Some are calling him an average 'Limousine Liberal.' The Catholic Church has accumulated untold vast wealth. It might very well be the wealthiest entity on earth. The Pope could order that vast wealth to be given to the poor masses. Yet he hasn't, and won't. It's the mentality of your average $Millionaire Limousine Liberal.

Communism/Socialism is appealing to them because they won't have to live its brutal realities. They won't have to stand in line for hours for a loaf of bread. They're rich after all. It's only the little people who'll be doing that. Just ask the People of Venezuela how well Communism's working out for them. Communism/Socialism does look good on paper somewhat. But in practice, it just doesn't work.

Been working for the Hutterites for five hundred years, Dense-boy. So well in fact that their neighbors can't even compete in terms of results.

Not working out too well for the People of Venezuela. Where's ole Sean Penn? He gonna donate his vast wealth to the poor standing in bread lines over there? Limousine Liberals can afford to live the Communism/Socialism fantasy. They know they won't have to live its brutal misery.

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

Not only do you remain absolutely clueless about the distinction between a religion and one of the institutions related to it -- you're actually willing to go on record as that obtuse. Isn't that special.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Well, with all the controversy surrounding this Pope, it's time for you to sound off and vote. Is he a Communist or is he a Good Christian? You make the call.

He is a socialist….the last step before true communism….

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." - Mark 10:21

The Rich Young Man
…21Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property. 23And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"…

Matthew 25:26-30


"But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12


For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.

Proverbs 6:6-8


Go to the ant, O sluggard, Observe her ways and be wise, Which, having no chief, Officer or ruler, Prepares her food in the summer And gathers her provision in the harvest.

1 Thessalonians 2:9


For you recall, brethren, our labor and hardship, how working night and day so as not to be a burden to any of you, we proclaimed to you the gospel of God

Proverbs 18:9


He also who is slack in his work Is brother to him who destroys.

Proverbs 6:9-11


How long will you lie down, O sluggard? When will you arise from your sleep? "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest"-- Your poverty will come in like a vagabond And your need like an armed man.

Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a ...
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for
someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." ...
//biblehub.com/mark/10-25.htm - 17k

Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go ...
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle
than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." ...
//biblehub.com/matthew/19-24.htm - 18k

Luke 18:25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye ...
Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than
for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." ...
//biblehub.com/luke/18-25.htm - 18k

Matthew 6:20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven ... ... but treasure up to yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth
disfigure, and where thieves do not break through nor steal, ...
//biblehub.com/matthew/6-20.htm - 18k

Luke 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide ... ... Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that
will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. ...

The Parable of the Unrighteous Steward
…12"And if you have not been faithful in the use of that which is another's, who will give you that which is your own? 13"No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." 14Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him. 15And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.…


Proverbs 11:28
Those who trust in their riches will fall, but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.

 

[paulitician]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

 

[Pogo]

Yes, but is the Pope and the Catholic Church ever gonna do that? The Vatican may be the wealthiest entity on earth.

Pope Francis moved out of the papal palace and moved into a relatively small apartment, given his station. He evidently practices what he preaches and has chosen to live more like the saint whose name he took, hence arriving in a Fiat..

Let's face it -- you gotta have principles to arrive in a Fiat. I've owned one and whenever I see one I'm overwhelmed with a feeling of sympathy.

 

[paulitician]

What is getting the far right's panties in a wad is when the Pope follows the Bible's direction regarding helping the weak and the poor, greed and destroying God's Earth.
There are a ton of Bible verses about helping the disadvantaged and the sin of greed. The Bible clearly states that God will destroy those who destroy God's Earth.
Because the Pope is following God's direction on these issues, the far right calls him a communist/socialist.
Doesn't any far right folks ever read the Bible, ever?
On the other hand, the Pope has made hard comments about abortion and gay marriages that follow the right's philosophy.
Why is it I don't see the left whining about those stances.
The right just hates the Pope because he quotes the Bible and it goes directly at their in-Christian ideology and they are the Party of God?

My problem has nothing to do with that.
Its the fact that the pope walks around with more self righteous attitude than Jesus Christ did. Jesus was humble, the pope is not.
we wont even get into the financial end of the Catholic church or their worshiping false idols.

Some are calling him an average 'Limousine Liberal.' The Catholic Church has accumulated untold vast wealth. It might very well be the wealthiest entity on earth. The Pope could order that vast wealth to be given to the poor masses. Yet he hasn't, and won't. It's the mentality of your average $Millionaire Limousine Liberal.

Communism/Socialism is appealing to them because they won't have to live its brutal realities. They won't have to stand in line for hours for a loaf of bread. They're rich after all. It's only the little people who'll be doing that. Just ask the People of Venezuela how well Communism's working out for them. Communism/Socialism does look good on paper somewhat. But in practice, it just doesn't work.

Been working for the Hutterites for five hundred years, Dense-boy. So well in fact that their neighbors can't even compete in terms of results.

Not working out too well for the People of Venezuela. Where's ole Sean Penn? He gonna donate his vast wealth to the poor standing in bread lines over there? Limousine Liberals can afford to live the Communism/Socialism fantasy. They know they won't have to live its brutal misery.

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

Not only do you remain absolutely clueless about the distinction between a religion and one of the institutions related to it -- you're actually willing to go on record as that obtuse. Isn't that special.

Limousine Liberals like Sean Penn and Michael Moore will never have to stand in line for hours for a loaf of bread. They're incredibly fortunate they were born in America. They can afford to live the Communism/Socialism fantasy. And btw, when are they gonna give up their own vast wealth to help the poor among us?

 

[Pogo]

Well, with all the controversy surrounding this Pope, it's time for you to sound off and vote. Is he a Communist or is he a Good Christian? You make the call.

He is a socialist….the last step before true communism….

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." - Mark 10:21

The Rich Young Man
…21Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property. 23And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"…

Matthew 25:26-30


"But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12


For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.

Proverbs 6:6-8


Go to the ant, O sluggard, Observe her ways and be wise, Which, having no chief, Officer or ruler, Prepares her food in the summer And gathers her provision in the harvest.

1 Thessalonians 2:9


For you recall, brethren, our labor and hardship, how working night and day so as not to be a burden to any of you, we proclaimed to you the gospel of God

Proverbs 18:9


He also who is slack in his work Is brother to him who destroys.

Proverbs 6:9-11


How long will you lie down, O sluggard? When will you arise from your sleep? "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest"-- Your poverty will come in like a vagabond And your need like an armed man.

Entirely irrelevant here.

Back to my Hutterites (post 16) again, since those are the Christian communists I know best --I've never in my life seen any group of people work harder, collectively. It's literally unthinkable to stand to the side and watch someone else work. Doesn't happen, cannot happen.

I worked for a small business that traveled out to their colonies to sell them supplies -- the instant our trucks pulled in we were beset by people who expected there was work to be done and everybody wanted to be part of it because -- that's what one does. Collective action is trained into them literally from birth. There is literally no such thing as a job that couldn't be done because somebody couldn't find a co-worker.

So these quotes here are pretty meaningless except for the third and the last couple.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

Nope, but he'd like a Pope that followed his teachings, something the American Taliban never does.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Well, with all the controversy surrounding this Pope, it's time for you to sound off and vote. Is he a Communist or is he a Good Christian? You make the call.

He is a socialist….the last step before true communism….

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." - Mark 10:21

The Rich Young Man
…21Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property. 23And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"…

Matthew 25:26-30


"But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12


For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.

Proverbs 6:6-8


Go to the ant, O sluggard, Observe her ways and be wise, Which, having no chief, Officer or ruler, Prepares her food in the summer And gathers her provision in the harvest.

1 Thessalonians 2:9


For you recall, brethren, our labor and hardship, how working night and day so as not to be a burden to any of you, we proclaimed to you the gospel of God

Proverbs 18:9


He also who is slack in his work Is brother to him who destroys.

Proverbs 6:9-11


How long will you lie down, O sluggard? When will you arise from your sleep? "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest"-- Your poverty will come in like a vagabond And your need like an armed man.

Entirely irrelevant here.

Back to my Hutterites (post 16) again, since those are the Christian communists I know best --I've never in my life seen any group of people work harder, collectively. It's literally unthinkable to stand to the side and watch someone else work. Doesn't happen, cannot happen.

I worked for a small business that traveled out to their colonies to sell them supplies -- the instant our trucks pulled in we were beset by people who expected there was work to be done and everybody wanted to be part of it because -- that's what one does. Collective action is trained into them literally from birth. There is literally no such thing as a job that couldn't be done because somebody couldn't find a co-worker.

So these quotes here are pretty meaningless.

you should start a conversation on them, but leave this one to the original posters thoughts. to be honest, your inclusion of these people was the irrelevant post in this thread.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

Nope, but he'd like a Pope that followed his teachings, something the American Taliban never does.

Where did Jesus teach to steal from others and give it to the poor while making sure to protect those things that you personally have earned.

 

[Pogo]

Well, with all the controversy surrounding this Pope, it's time for you to sound off and vote. Is he a Communist or is he a Good Christian? You make the call.

He is a socialist….the last step before true communism….

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." - Mark 10:21

The Rich Young Man
…21Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property. 23And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"…

Matthew 25:26-30


"But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12


For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.

Proverbs 6:6-8


Go to the ant, O sluggard, Observe her ways and be wise, Which, having no chief, Officer or ruler, Prepares her food in the summer And gathers her provision in the harvest.

1 Thessalonians 2:9


For you recall, brethren, our labor and hardship, how working night and day so as not to be a burden to any of you, we proclaimed to you the gospel of God

Proverbs 18:9


He also who is slack in his work Is brother to him who destroys.

Proverbs 6:9-11


How long will you lie down, O sluggard? When will you arise from your sleep? "A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest"-- Your poverty will come in like a vagabond And your need like an armed man.

Entirely irrelevant here.

Back to my Hutterites (post 16) again, since those are the Christian communists I know best --I've never in my life seen any group of people work harder, collectively. It's literally unthinkable to stand to the side and watch someone else work. Doesn't happen, cannot happen.

I worked for a small business that traveled out to their colonies to sell them supplies -- the instant our trucks pulled in we were beset by people who expected there was work to be done and everybody wanted to be part of it because -- that's what one does. Collective action is trained into them literally from birth. There is literally no such thing as a job that couldn't be done because somebody couldn't find a co-worker.

So these quotes here are pretty meaningless.

you should start a conversation on them, but leave this one to the original posters thoughts. to be honest, your inclusion of these people was the irrelevant post in this thread.

I'm afraid my citation was (one of the things that) makes this fake poll bullshit. Just as my details above rendered your citations irrelevant.* It's a case study that obliterates the premise here.

As I said in my first post here, communism and Christianism are in no way mutually exclusive. Therefore the question itself is inoperative. This troll thread got started by an OP playing with two different terms, neither of which he understands.


* and I might add, a certain psychology results. There's no 'competition' as such. There may be personality conflicts, gossip and the like but I can't even imagine a Hutterite fistfight. I don't even see children competing for attention, let alone material things -- which are simply not part of their existence in the first place.

That's exactly what the boys who leave the colony and set out to the "English" world say they find (among us) -- greed, materialism, conflict, endless and pointless competition. They tire of it and return whence they came. Not absolutely every one but virtually every one. Then they reincorporate with their people where everyone works and no one lacks, because they consider themselves part of a collective. A community.

What a disaster system huh?

 

[paulitician]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

Nope, but he'd like a Pope that followed his teachings, something the American Taliban never does.

Crowning a Pope was always a bad idea. It's not what Jesus would have wanted.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

Nope, but he'd like a Pope that followed his teachings, something the American Taliban never does.

Where did Jesus teach to steal from others and give it to the poor while making sure to protect those things that you personally have earned.

Jesus taught this:

Treasures in Heaven
19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20"But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;…

Meaning if you are focused upon wealth here then you are not serving God. What the government does with your wealth should be of no concern to you since yours is a heavenly kingdom, not an earthly one. Render unto Caesar. He was perfectly clear on the matter.


"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." - Matthew 6:21

 

[konradv]

Where did Jesus teach to steal from others and give it to the poor while making sure to protect those things that you personally have earned.

He apparently had no problem with taxes.

And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's. (Luke 20:25, KJV)

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

Nope, but he'd like a Pope that followed his teachings, something the American Taliban never does.

Crowning a Pope was always a bad idea. It's not what Jesus would have wanted.

That's correct, but he wouldn't have approved of your Free-Market Jesus either.

 

[CremeBrulee]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

No. You wouldn't think so; but then the basket is passed just as freely in the Protestant churches too.

 

[Zander]

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Like i said, the Pope and the Catholic Church can give up its vast wealth anytime it chooses. Is that gonna happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

You keep saying that. The Catholic Church spends billions of dollars a year on running hospitals, schools, and feeding people all over the world. They are one of the biggest charities in the United States.

I don't think Jesus would approve of a Pope. That's just my feeling anyway.

No. You wouldn't think so; but then the basket is passed just as freely in the Protestant churches too.

no, it really is not.

 

[David_42]

Anyone who believes the pope is a communist needs to be sent to reeducation centers.

 

[Pogo]

Anyone who believes the pope is a communist needs to be sent to reeducation centers.

He seems to want to define this nebulous "communism" thing (the one with founders so famous that their names apparently cannot be written) in a governmental sense --- brings up Venezuela and such. But the Pope isn't a head of a government anyway.