Islamists and "the right to offend"

[martybegan]

So people should be cowed by whoever decides violence is a response to harmless speech?

Joe the Fascist being Joe the Fascist.

People should show good judgement. It's why you don't walk into a Marine bar and say, "The Marines are a bunch of pussies."

That's a direct confrontation with people, not publishing a magazine.

The two are entirely different.

 

[martybegan]

Stay on topic Zeke, who mentioned guns in this thread?

Well marty, every time there is a mass killing in this country, gun nutters come out of the wood work to claim that IF only there had been a good guy with a gun, the killing would have been stopped. Right? Surely you have read those posts. Maybe (you) even made a couple of them claiming good guys with guns stop bad guys etc.

But these people in France were already EXPECTING violence for what they were publishing. The editor had his own personal body guard. Didn't stop a thing.

So that's the relevance to what I wrote. Gun nutters are full of shit. Surprise in shooting situations means everything. Good guys with guns don't stop surprise attacks. The ones who might have guns get shot first.

But it has been established for quite some time that these asshole Muslims will shoot whoever they can for insulting Mohammed. That is not news.

And the French will catch them and I hope kill them where they find them. Fuck arresting them. Shoot em where they are found.

So I guess because police can be surprised (as we have seen in NYC) then they have no reason to carry guns either.

 

[Freewill]

South Park showed the reality of the religions so perfectly with the Super Friends going after the head of every major religion, and getting threats from only one... They probably made Jesus look the worst being a porn surfer. And there are the most Christians around. Nothing. You keep excusing Muslim extremism as the same. It's not, not remotely.

And the extremism has nothing to do with the religion and everything to do with the culture. Stop attacking the religion for the extremism of the culture. Millions of Muslims live all over the world without resorting to extremism and violence. It's the culture.

Can you expand on that, please. It is of course the micro-culture of the small group of Islamofascists. I gather that it is what you mean.

Greg

I'm saying that it's not the religions fault. Extremists in any religion are the problem, not the religion itself. You cannot condemn Islam for the actions of some of it's followers anymore than you can condemn Christianity for the actions of Westboro Baptist Church.

No one is doing that, it's just your butt hurt. And you also can't ignore that almost all terrorists in the world belong to the same religion.

Except they don't. Terrorism is a tactic used by more than just Muslims.

And yes, people ARE doing that. You do read the boards here, right?

Can you name, off the top of your head, the major terrorist attacks that have happened in the last year, two years?

Here is a list after you think about it: List of terrorist incidents January June 2013 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Mac1958]

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"The ____________________ are soldiers in a war against freedom of thought and speech, against tolerance, pluralism, and the right to offend—against everything decent in a democratic society."

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[Freewill]

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"The ____________________ are soldiers in a war against freedom of thought and speech, against tolerance, pluralism, and the right to offend—against everything decent in a democratic society."

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Obviously, white, veteran, and Christian.

 

[Mac1958]

So people should be cowed by whoever decides violence is a response to harmless speech?

Joe the Fascist being Joe the Fascist.

People should show good judgement. It's why you don't walk into a Marine bar and say, "The Marines are a bunch of pussies."

That's a direct confrontation with people, not publishing a magazine.

The two are entirely different.

They have to spin, they have to deflect.

That's what they do when something is PC-protected.

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[Roadrunner]

Hey, Mac, maybe you can walk into a working class bar, and then talk to the biggest, nastiest looking bloke in there and start making comments about his mother's sexual proclivities. When you get the expected results, you can then explain to him about your "right to offend".

Right after you use a dustpan to collect your teeth off the floor.

These murderers should be hunted down, prosecuted and punished.

But people should also show judgment and good taste in what to publish. They certainly shouldn't come whining to me that "Those people I went out of my way to offend came by and did something nasty to me!"

So people should be cowed by whoever decides violence is a response to harmless speech?

Joe the Fascist being Joe the Fascist.

Hey, these people said they were ready to die for their right to offend.

They did.

Whoop-tee-do!!!

 

[Roadrunner]

If only I could think you would be so supportive of those who degrade Christians. I guess if Christians don' t like art such as a jar full of urine with a crucifix your suggestion is to act like the bar room bully and find the artist?

What these sick Muslims, and apparently you, don't understand is that it isn't what other think of their Prophet that matters it is what THEM themselves think. Until they join the 21st century and Christians and Jews they can expect backlash when an police officer is murdered as he begs for his life.

If someone punched out the Piss Christ artist, I would tell him the same thing I'm saying about Charlie Hebdo. You insult billions of people, one of them is going to do something nuts, statistically.

Our problem with the Islamic World is bigger than cartoons. It's probably a lot more to do with those million people we've killed and the 15 countries we've bombed or invaded.

God got him.

He died of AIDS.

 

[AceRothstein]

No One Murdered Because Of This Image The Onion - America s Finest News Source

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Hey, Mac, maybe you can walk into a working class bar, and then talk to the biggest, nastiest looking bloke in there and start making comments about his mother's sexual proclivities. When you get the expected results, you can then explain to him about your "right to offend".

Right after you use a dustpan to collect your teeth off the floor.

These murderers should be hunted down, prosecuted and punished.

But people should also show judgment and good taste in what to publish. They certainly shouldn't come whining to me that "Those people I went out of my way to offend came by and did something nasty to me!"

So Islam is 'The Biggest Bloke in the Bar"?

ROFLMNAO! Puhlease....

Islam is a cult of inbreds, who are succumbing to generations of dialing out genetic viability... and demonstrating the downside to dialing out genetic viability.

It's the same for Left who dial out economic viability, then blame those who have contested their efforts for the economic catastrophes that come in consequence. Just as it is the same for the Left's drive to dial out cultural viability through the attempt to normalize cognitive abnormalities, such as that which presents sexual abnormality... and blame that which succumbs to such, when the predictable catastrophe manifests.

It's just evil... that's all. And THAT as was witnessed in France yesterday, is what it does.

Pull back in an attempt to compromise with it and see what happens... My guess, knowing it as I do, is that compromise with evil begets more evil.

 

[kaz]

South Park showed the reality of the religions so perfectly with the Super Friends going after the head of every major religion, and getting threats from only one... They probably made Jesus look the worst being a porn surfer. And there are the most Christians around. Nothing. You keep excusing Muslim extremism as the same. It's not, not remotely.

And the extremism has nothing to do with the religion and everything to do with the culture. Stop attacking the religion for the extremism of the culture. Millions of Muslims live all over the world without resorting to extremism and violence. It's the culture.

Can you expand on that, please. It is of course the micro-culture of the small group of Islamofascists. I gather that it is what you mean.

Greg

I'm saying that it's not the religions fault. Extremists in any religion are the problem, not the religion itself. You cannot condemn Islam for the actions of some of it's followers anymore than you can condemn Christianity for the actions of Westboro Baptist Church.

No one is doing that, it's just your butt hurt. And you also can't ignore that almost all terrorists in the world belong to the same religion.

Except they don't. Terrorism is a tactic used by more than just Muslims.

And yes, people ARE doing that. You do read the boards here, right?

Irrelevant, you didn't contradict me. I didn't say all terrorists. This is why you are usleless, you write post after post, and you can't actually respond to an argument. You change it (strawman) and ignore it (begging the question) and then whine when you can't get people to do research points that everyone already knows anyway.

 

[kaz]

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"The ____________________ are soldiers in a war against freedom of thought and speech, against tolerance, pluralism, and the right to offend—against everything decent in a democratic society."

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Republicans? White? Christians? Corporations? The wealthy? There are so many choices...

 

[BlindBoo]

One of course has the right to free speech but if it offends then the offended have the right to let the perps know that they disapprove. I was at a Protest in Trafalgar Square where offended Moslems demonstrated against images that were published which were offensive. I would also have gone to a Demo against offensive material aimed against Christians. People of faith have the right to let those who offend them know that they don't approve. It's called "freedom of speech".

I also look forward to the French cornering and capturing the two killers now at large over the massacre. May they bring justice upon those killers and their deranged enablers!!

Greg

There is a difference in protesting in the streets over what you deem as offensive material and going on a murder spree over it.

Hanging too good for them.

 

[gtopa1]

Here is what the free world has to do right this minute, in my opinion. EVERY news paper, every printing company, and every copy machine should be filled with cartoon about the Prophet. Fill the streets with the crap until even the dumbest of Muslim realizes the harm they did to themselves.

Why offend those who had no part in the atrocity? Much better to capture the killers and deal with them under law.

Greg

Of course we have to bring them to justice but they will only become martyrs for the cause. The point is that the Muslims have no need to be offended, why should they care what you or I think of their beliefs? Is it yours or my respect that gives their religion meaning? Really?

Do you think that the FBI uses a profile for White Supremacy groups? And in that profile they will describe them as white, veterans, etc....? Why in the hell when we see so much violence and the perps are saying things like they have revenged the prophet should be ignore the dynamic of their religion? THEY have made it us against them.

Who is the "they"?

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Hey, Mac, maybe you can walk into a working class bar, and then talk to the biggest, nastiest looking bloke in there and start making comments about his mother's sexual proclivities. When you get the expected results, you can then explain to him about your "right to offend".

Right after you use a dustpan to collect your teeth off the floor.

These murderers should be hunted down, prosecuted and punished.

But people should also show judgment and good taste in what to publish. They certainly shouldn't come whining to me that "Those people I went out of my way to offend came by and did something nasty to me!"

South Park showed the reality of the religions so perfectly with the Super Friends going after the head of every major religion, and getting threats from only one... They probably made Jesus look the worst being a porn surfer. And there are the most Christians around. Nothing. You keep excusing Muslim extremism as the same. It's not, not remotely.

And the extremism has nothing to do with the religion and everything to do with the culture. Stop attacking the religion for the extremism of the culture. Millions of Muslims live all over the world without resorting to extremism and violence. It's the culture.

Can you expand on that, please. It is of course the micro-culture of the small group of Islamofascists. I gather that it is what you mean.

Greg

I'm saying that it's not the religions fault. Extremists in any religion are the problem, not the religion itself. You cannot condemn Islam for the actions of some of it's followers anymore than you can condemn Christianity for the actions of Westboro Baptist Church.

No one is doing that, it's just your butt hurt. And you also can't ignore that almost all terrorists in the world belong to the same religion.

The Khmer Rouge are moslems?? lol. Until recently most terrorist orgs were communist!! But it is true that there are many Terrorist Orgs that are self professed Moslem jihadists. That is mostly because the political scene has shifted from the cold war. I also note that most of the victims of terrorists are in fact other moslems. It's only when the victims are westerners that it becomes newsworthy.

Greg

 

[NYcarbineer]

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The murderers in France sought to issue "consequences" to those who dared to offend them.

Here's an interesting piece on that: The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders - The New Yorker

From the piece:

The killers are soldiers in a war against freedom of thought and speech, against tolerance, pluralism, and the right to offend—against everything decent in a democratic society.

I wonder if anyone on this side of the Atlantic will take note.

Okay, doubtful, but I wonder.

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Hey, Mac, maybe you can walk into a working class bar, and then talk to the biggest, nastiest looking bloke in there and start making comments about his mother's sexual proclivities. When you get the expected results, you can then explain to him about your "right to offend".

Right after you use a dustpan to collect your teeth off the floor.

These murderers should be hunted down, prosecuted and punished.

But people should also show judgment and good taste in what to publish. They certainly shouldn't come whining to me that "Those people I went out of my way to offend came by and did something nasty to me!"

So people should be cowed by whoever decides violence is a response to harmless speech?

Joe the Fascist being Joe the Fascist.

The Garner protestors got blamed for 2 cops being killed. Who was trying to 'cow' them into silence?

 

[gtopa1]

So people should be cowed by whoever decides violence is a response to harmless speech?

Joe the Fascist being Joe the Fascist.

People should show good judgement. It's why you don't walk into a Marine bar and say, "The Marines are a bunch of pussies."

That's a direct confrontation with people, not publishing a magazine.

The two are entirely different.

They have to spin, they have to deflect.

That's what they do when something is PC-protected.

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I am among the first to criticise "PC protection" ...but I also like accuracy!! There will be many non-muslims who will be saying, and have said, that Charlie "had it coming". Is that PC??

Greg

 

[NYcarbineer]

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"The ____________________ are soldiers in a war against freedom of thought and speech, against tolerance, pluralism, and the right to offend—against everything decent in a democratic society."

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Put your name in there for when you tried to blame people like me for two cops being killed in NYC.

 

[martybegan]

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The murderers in France sought to issue "consequences" to those who dared to offend them.

Here's an interesting piece on that: The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders - The New Yorker

From the piece:

The killers are soldiers in a war against freedom of thought and speech, against tolerance, pluralism, and the right to offend—against everything decent in a democratic society.

I wonder if anyone on this side of the Atlantic will take note.

Okay, doubtful, but I wonder.

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Hey, Mac, maybe you can walk into a working class bar, and then talk to the biggest, nastiest looking bloke in there and start making comments about his mother's sexual proclivities. When you get the expected results, you can then explain to him about your "right to offend".

Right after you use a dustpan to collect your teeth off the floor.

These murderers should be hunted down, prosecuted and punished.

But people should also show judgment and good taste in what to publish. They certainly shouldn't come whining to me that "Those people I went out of my way to offend came by and did something nasty to me!"

So people should be cowed by whoever decides violence is a response to harmless speech?

Joe the Fascist being Joe the Fascist.

The Garner protestors got blamed for 2 cops being killed. Who was trying to 'cow' them into silence?

Did you see ME blaming the Garner protesters for the 2 cops?

 

[gtopa1]

No One Murdered Because Of This Image The Onion - America s Finest News Source

Frankly I did not need to see that disgusting image!!

Greg