Israel and Genocide

[sparky]

There too many Americans unknowingly tools of the establishment. After all the lies, deceit, and crimes committed and supported by our government and controlled media, how any American could support yet another horrendous war is beyond me.

It's one false flag after the next that allows 'the powers that be' those tools Gip

~S~

 

[gipper]

It's one false flag after the next that allows 'the powers that be' those tools Gip

~S~

We can see this. It’s obvious to us. Somehow many others can’t.

 

[gipper]

I don’t think this ends well for Americans and just might lead to worldwide death and destruction.

 

[Ringo]

I don’t think this ends well for Americans and just might lead to worldwide death and destruction.

Something like this:

 

[sparky]

We can see this. It’s obvious to us. Somehow many other can’t.

this fits here>>>>

A Guide to False Flag Operations

False flag operations are tradecraft operations with the intended goal of pinning responsibility for an act on a separate actor than onesel...

greydynamics.com

~S~

 

[martybegan]

What we know so far about the deadly strike on a Gaza hospital

Palestinian officials say nearly 500 people were killed in an Israeli air raid on al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza.

www.aljazeera.com

Located in central Gaza, the hospital, which is run by the Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem, was struck while it was overwhelmed with thousands of Palestinians seeking shelter amid a campaign of brutal Israeli air attacks across much of the besieged Gaza Strip

My original post has been overtaken by events. It appears the hospital was hit by an own goal shot.

 

[martybegan]

Do you support killing innocent women and children because maybe a Hamas fighter is among them?

The rules of war say it's acceptable, and war is hell.

Looks like it wasn't even the IDF so the point is moot.

 

[martybegan]

Wrong. Get informed.

How Much Longer Will Palestinians Be Martyr People?​

By Eric S. Margolis
October 14, 2023

It’s not a real war. The bloody carnage in Israel and Palestine that we now witness is a large prison uprising being crushed by Israel’s military might.

M-16 lightweight rifles against Merkava tanks; home-made rockets (little more than flying pipe bombs) versus US-state of the art F-15 and F-16 fighter bombers; a few thousand Hamas fighters versus 600,000 or more Israeli soldiers and police backed by drones and heavy artillery.

American-made bombs and rockets are now shattering what’s left of Gaza, one of the world’s most densely populated places. Israel, which suffered over 1,200 dead innocent civilians from a Hamas-led attack on a music festival and waves of rocket barrages, vows Biblical revenge on the Palestinians.

Interestingly, the US supplied warplanes, bombs and rockets pounding Palestinian fighters and civilians are being used in contravention of the US Arms Control Act which forbids use of American arms against civilian targets.

Heedless of US law, the Biden administration is in full pro-war hysteria over Gaza. The next US elections are getting closer. The US state-guided media is also in full war mode, portraying events in Gaza as an attack on the United States.

The war party in Washington is baying for war against Iran which, as far as we know now, had no primary role in the Gaza attacks. One will likely be found or manufactured by Israel’s right-wing militants and Fox News.

I have been watching and writing about the agony of Palestine for some 70 years. I’ve watched what was to have been a small Jewish enclave grow into a powerful Sparta with some 200 nuclear weapons and unprecedented control of the US Congress and media.

Gaza, this miserable, squalid human garbage dump, is a giant open-air prison packed with 2.2 million Palestinian refugees driven from the newly created state of Israel in 1948. Israel and its close ally Egypt keep Gaza bottled up on its land and sea borders. Palestinians are only allowed to fish along the shore. Coastal gas and oil reserves have been expropriated by Israel and Egypt.

Gaza’s two million people subsist on the edge of starvation. Israel openly boasts that it allows just enough food into the enclave to prevent outright starvation. Chemicals to treat water are banned. Electricity runs only a few hours daily because the power plant was bombed by Israel’s US-supplied air force. Hospitals have almost no medicines. In short, wartime conditions in the open-air prison. Even the wretched animals in Gaza Zoo are starving. Hamas fighters have reportedly even killed cats and dogs.

The intensive punishment of Gaza, a crime under international law, began after its people voted in a free election for the Hamas movement over the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) which is more or less run by Israel and the United States. Israel helped found Hamas in 1987 to split the PLO, but then sought, with the US, to destroy the organization, branding it ‘terrorist.’

Israel has extensively used US-supplied arms and money to fight Hamas in Gaza, a clear violation of the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 that bars the use of American weapons against civilian populations.

The question remains, where did all the Palestinians come from? Israel long claimed there were no such people, or a made-up nationality. This was a pretty rich claim coming from Israelis, many of whom hailed from Russia, Poland and Eastern Europe and who had assumed biblical identities and asserted a direct link to the Hebrews who had lived two thousand years earlier in the Levant.

When Israel was created by the US and UN (with Soviet support) in 1948, from 750,000 to one million native Palestinians were driven from their ancestral home at gunpoint or panicked to flight by massacres and ethnic cleansing. Their villages were bulldozed.

When Israel conquered and annexed the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem in 1967, another 500,000 Palestinians were made refugees. Some 50,000-250,000 Syrians were driven by Israel from the strategic Golan Heights. Bedouins were driven from Israel’s Negev Desert.

There are only two ways out of this bloody mess. Either drive millions of Palestinians into the desert in an act of genocide or create a long-delayed Palestinian state mandated by the United Nations but which has been long blocked by US vetoes and Israel resistance

Gaza is miserable because Hamas wants it to be miserable, and the people haven't accepted the fact they lost the war in 1948. and 1956. and 1967. and 1973.

 

[gipper]

Gaza is miserable because Hamas wants it to be miserable, and the people haven't accepted the fact they lost the war in 1948. and 1956. and 1967. and 1973.

Think again.

 

[martybegan]

Think again.

That's reality. They fought. They lost. They need to accept that like the Germans and Japanese did in 1945.

 

[gipper]

The rules of war say it's acceptable, and war is hell.

Looks like it wasn't even the IDF so the point is moot.

No! The rules of war don’t support massacreing defenseless women and children. You shouldn’t either.

I know many Americans like you support total war. It’s been conditioned into many Americans and is how our military prosecutes war. It’s still a war crime.

 

[gipper]

That's reality. They fought. They lost. They need to accept that like the Germans and Japanese did in 1945.

You clearly know nothing about what has happened to the Palestinians. You only know the Israeli point of view.

 

[martybegan]

No! The rules of war don’t support massacreing defenseless women and children. You shouldn’t either.

I know many Americans like you support total war. It’s been conditioned into many Americans and is how our military prosecutes war. It’s still a war crime.

If fire came from the area, the other side has a right to respond. It's up to the side starting the shooting to make sure civilians aren't in the area.

I support forcing both sides to follow the rules of war.

 

[martybegan]

You clearly know nothing about what has happened to the Palestinians. You only know the Israeli point of view.

I know the whole history, I'm just not a rabid anti-semite like you are.

 

[surada]

Because that is your position. You can’t name one mostly Moslem country that isn’t an issue. Not one! But you want another one in Palestine. No chance, old man.

Have you ever been to any Arab country? Would you let illegal immigrants take your home and put you in the street?

 

[surada]

Gaza is miserable because Hamas wants it to be miserable, and the people haven't accepted the fact they lost the war in 1948. and 1956. and 1967. and 1973.

Hamas has 20,000 members. Israel helped found them in 1987.

 

[martybegan]

Hamas has 20,000 members. Israel helped found them in 1987.

Hamas has more than that, and far more supporters as they won the last election in Gaza in2006.

 

[gipper]

I know the whole history, I'm just not a rabid anti-semite like you are.

Lol. There it is. Only a rabid anti-semite thinks as I do. Lol.

Yet another poster who pushes a Fascist McCarthyite slur.

Do you believe the burned decapitated baby story, as does lying war-hawk dumb old Joe?

 

[gipper]

Hamas has more than that, and far more supporters as they won the last election in Gaza in2006.

So kill Gazans for voting for Hamas, even though the vast majority of Gazans living today never voted that way.

THINK!

 

[martybegan]

Lol. There it is. Only a rabid anti-semite thinks as I do. Lol.

Yet another poster who pushes a Fascist McCarthyite slur.

Do you believe the burned decapitated baby story, as does lying war-hawk dumb old Joe?

I believe children were killed deliberately, and I don't doubt they could have beheaded some of them.

Burning happens as a matter of course when destroying property in war.