Israel on Sunday confiscated nearly 1,000 acres of privately owned Palestinian land near an Israeli

[Roudy]

The bigger question is, why were the British entitled to force the colonization of Palestine by European Jews and force the transfer of Christians and Muslims who had been living in Palestine for many generations?

Is that a serious question, idiot? When Christians, Romans, Greeks, Muslims, Mongolians, etc. conquered lands, why were they entitled to do what they did? Why did savage Arabs invade the Middle East and kill all the Christians, and shove their religion and language down the throats of the indigenous people?

 

[montelatici]

The bigger question is, why were the British entitled to force the colonization of Palestine by European Jews and force the transfer of Christians and Muslims who had been living in Palestine for many generations?

Is that a serious question, idiot? When Christians, Romans, Greeks, Muslims, Mongolians, etc. conquered lands, why were they entitled to do what they did? Why did savage Arabs invade the Middle East and kill all the Christians, and shove their religion and language down the throats of the indigenous people?

The law on conquest was issued for the first time in 1907. The ancient Jews were as savage as the Arabs, just read your Old Testament.

 

[Roudy]

The bigger question is, why were the British entitled to force the colonization of Palestine by European Jews and force the transfer of Christians and Muslims who had been living in Palestine for many generations?

Is that a serious question, idiot? When Christians, Romans, Greeks, Muslims, Mongolians, etc. conquered lands, why were they entitled to do what they did? Why did savage Arabs invade the Middle East and kill all the Christians, and shove their religion and language down the throats of the indigenous people?

The law on conquest was issued for the first time in 1907. The ancient Jews were as savage as the Arabs, just read your Old Testament.

So since 3500 years ago, you can't point to any savagery, invasion, looting etc. Of people by Jews, but apparently that's ALL that Islam did.

Not to mention you speak of the Old Testament that Jesus the ZIONIST Jew preached and practiced from as if it's a historical document.

Judging by that yardstick, Jews are truly the peaceful, non violent people who through their ability to coexist managed to survive for 3500 years.

Muslims? Not so much, just judging by the fruits of Islam.

 

[fanger]

Continued attacks against Israel by Hamas makes Peace Impossible.

Hams, Hezballah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, and etc. refusing to accept Israel's right to exist makes Peace Impossible.

There will never be Peace under these conditions............

NEVER.

I wonder why you left out the Link, oh wait IDFBLOG LOL Rocket Attacks on Israel From Gaza IDF Blog The Official Blog of the Israel Defense ForcesIDF Blog The Official Blog of the Israel Defense Forces

 

[Billo_Really]

I put up the document on either this thread or another thread that posted the research of the British, which was a report in 1936 to the League of Nations on the situation. At the time they reported 400,000 Jews there and in surrounding areas of the mandates. with roughly 1.2 Million Muslims.

They constituted 25% of the population during that time.............1936............and under that proposal and analysis they said that due to the culture that the opposing sides couldn't co-exist...........so they offered 2 Million pounds to all who would be displaced from their homes...........BOTH SIDES to form the 2 State Solution.

Which was rejected by the Arabs of the time.................It was negotiated up until WWII...............with no results...................WWII put everything on hold as the world went up in flames.

They couldn't exist, because Zionists were treating them like garbage. I mean, what person would take shit from someone who just moved into the neighborhood you've been living in for generations?

And of coarse they rejected the offer. What person in their right mind would give 70% of the land, to 30% of the population?

 

[Billo_Really]

Can you document that with actual events?

You want me to prove a negative?

 

[eagle1462010]

Continued attacks against Israel by Hamas makes Peace Impossible.

Hams, Hezballah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, and etc. refusing to accept Israel's right to exist makes Peace Impossible.

There will never be Peace under these conditions............

NEVER.

I wonder why you left out the Link, oh wait IDFBLOG LOL Rocket Attacks on Israel From Gaza IDF Blog The Official Blog of the Israel Defense ForcesIDF Blog The Official Blog of the Israel Defense Forces

Are the numbers in the graph wrong.............

Are you saying that they haven't been firing the rockets...............

Are the deals we see in the news about them firing them for a very long time all made up............

The videos showing the launches made up.............

The weapons found in operations made up............

Sure...............so sorry..........doesn't matter who collects the data if you can't say otherwise and unless you are retarded you know they've been firing these rockets and attacking Israel................

 

[pbel]

This is 2014 that this occurred.

I am butting into the middle of your 'point' with another poster here, but I have a point to make about this thread and you as a moderator shouldn't you protect the facts as well?

My point in regards to this thread is this. Look at the title, I will not quote it, no need. This thread was started on April 5, 2015 and the title eludes and/or implies that this is an event that happened on THAT DAY. Yet, as you so astutely acknowledge, the event actually happened (as the link in the OP provides) in 2014. Therefore IMHO the very title of this thread vs the link/facts/article provided shows that there is some serious . . . . maybe not all out lies, but certainly some serious propaganda and half truths. Think of the new person(s).

Once I looked at those facts, this whole thread meant nothing to me and re-enforced why I have taken my position against any Palestinian state at all. Unless they stop all threats of violence and declare a non-violent independent state RIGHT NOW IN WHAT THEY HAVE. That in my mind is their only hope.

And back to the facts, it is threads like this that have half truths and such that I 'learned' from to have my views now.

What is odd for me is that you, Coyote, who seem to try to be neutral, and as a mod, allow these half truths and back those who continue to post them.

Teddy if you didn't Pander to Israeli propaganda so much you might see the truth!

 

[eagle1462010]

I put up the document on either this thread or another thread that posted the research of the British, which was a report in 1936 to the League of Nations on the situation. At the time they reported 400,000 Jews there and in surrounding areas of the mandates. with roughly 1.2 Million Muslims.

They constituted 25% of the population during that time.............1936............and under that proposal and analysis they said that due to the culture that the opposing sides couldn't co-exist...........so they offered 2 Million pounds to all who would be displaced from their homes...........BOTH SIDES to form the 2 State Solution.

Which was rejected by the Arabs of the time.................It was negotiated up until WWII...............with no results...................WWII put everything on hold as the world went up in flames.

They couldn't exist, because Zionists were treating them like garbage. I mean, what person would take shit from someone who just moved into the neighborhood you've been living in for generations?

And of coarse they rejected the offer. What person in their right mind would give 70% of the land, to 30% of the population?

Give them the land.............the arabs had been inviting them there for over 5 decades for economic reasons.............they had been SELLING THEM LAND................They were buying it............They even bragged on how the situation was better with the Jews because of the improvements they were making...........Especially in agriculture......................Some of the Landlords...........arabs sold the land while having people tending the property.............So that would be a situation like selling property while having renters..............the new owners are under no obligation to keep the same renters...............

The Partitian plan by the British before WWII was fair..............they were trying to find a Peaceful way to co-exist...............what was the Muslims view with how to deal with the 400,000 Jews there............They would become a complete Arab State and they would deal with the Jews as they saw fit...................That was their answer.

 

[eagle1462010]

The evidence submitted by the Arab and Jewish leaders respectively was directly conflicting and gave no hope of compromise.

The only solution of tile problem put forward by the Arab Higher Committee was the immediate establishment of all independent Arab Government, which would deal with the 400,000 Jews now in Palestine as it thought fit. To that it is replied that belief in British good faith would not be strengthened anywhere in the world if the National Home were now surrendered to Arab rule.

The Jewish Agency and the Va'ad Leumi asserted that the problem would be solved if the Mandate were firmly applied in full accordance with Jewish claims: thus there should be no new restriction on immigration nor anything to prevent the Jewish population becoming in course of time a majority in Palestine. To that it is replied that such a policy could only be maintained by force and that neither British public opinion nor that of World Jewry is likely to commit itself to the recurrent use of force unless it is convinced that there is no other means by which justice can be done.

 

[eagle1462010]

Chapter IX. - The Land

A summary of land legislation enacted during the Civil Administration shows the efforts made to fulfil the Mandatory obligation in this matter. The Commission point to serious difficulties in connection with the legislation proposed by the Palestine Government for the protection of small owners. The Palestine Order in Council and, if necessary, the Mandate should be amended to permit of legislation empowering the High Commissioner to prohibit the transfer of land in any stated area to Jews, so that the obligation to safeguard the right and position of the Arabs may be carried out. Until survey and settlement are complete, the Commission would welcome the prohibition of the sale of isolated and comparatively small plots of land to Jews. They would prefer larger schemes for the rearrangement of proprietorship under Government supervision. They favour the proposal for the creation of special Public Utility Companies to undertake such development schemes subject to certain conditions.

An expert Committee should be appointed to draw up a Land Code.

Recommendations are made with a view to the expediting of settlement (the need for which is paramount) and to the improvement of settlement procedure.

The present system of Land Courts is contributory to delay. Until survey and settlement are complete there should be two or three Land Courts separate from the District Courts and each under a single British Judge.

Up till now the Arab cultivator has benefited on the whole both from the work of the British Administration and the presence of Jews in the country, but the greatest care must now be exercised to see that in the event of further sales of land by Arabs to Jews the rights of any Arab tenants or cultivators are preserved. Thus, alienation of land should only be allowed where it is possible to replace extensive by intensive cultivation. In the hill districts there can be no expectation of finding accommodation for any large increase in the rural population. At present, and for many years to come, the Mandatory Power should not attempt to facilitate the close settlement of the Jews in the hill districts generally.

The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

Legislation vesting surface water in the High Commissioner is essential. An increase in staff and equipment for exploratory investigations with a view to increasing irrigation is recommended. The scheme for the development of the Huleh district is commended.

The Commission fully realize the desirability of afforestation on a large scale of a long term forest policy, but, having regard to their conclusion as to the scarcity of land in the hills for the agricultural population, they cannot recommend a policy involving expropriation of cultivators on a large scale until other cultivable land or suitable employment on the land can be found for them. In the aggregate, however, a large amount of land is fit for afforestation but not for cultivation, and the Commission endorse a policy of afforestation of steep hillsides to prevent erosion the prevention of grazing on land fit for afforestation, and, where practicable, the establishment of village forests for the benefit of neighbouring cultivators.


aka.............they brought the Jews into the land..............DESERT................had them CULTIVATE IT..................make the Desert BLOOM.............made them pay for the Desert.................AND THEN SAID LOOK............The JEWS ARE GETTING ALL THE GOOD LAND....................

It was the JEWS who made the DESERT BLOOM after they bought it...................

To a point.................The MUSLIMS WANTED TO STEAL THE LAND JEWS HAD BOUGHT AND UPGRADED IN THE DEAL..................

and as already stated they Muslims stated THEY WANTED ALL THE LAND AND NO JEWISH STATE AT ALL.................

 

[eagle1462010]

Read this 1938 Report on Palestine and TransJordan...........

Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations 31 December 1938

They were killing each other on a daily basis then..............Killing the British...............Britain had to call in reinforcements to deal with the continuing TERRORISM...................

Sound familiar...........daily attacks and ambushes.........bombs...............They were killing Jews before WWII ever began..........forcing the British to kill an estimated 1000 TERRORIST GANGS..............

 

[eagle1462010]

1921 Report..........from the British

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

It is obvious to every passing traveller, and well-known to every European resident, that the country was before the War, and is now, undeveloped and under-populated. The methods of agriculture are, for the most part, primitive; the area of land now cultivated could yield a far greater product. There are in addition large cultivable areas that are left untilled. The summits and slopes of the hills are admirably suited to the growth of trees, but there are no forests. Miles of sand dunes that could be redeemed, are untouched, a danger, by their encroachment, to the neighbouring tillage. The Jordan and the Yarmuk offer an abundance of water-power; but it is unused. Some industries--fishing and the culture and manufacture of tobacco are examples--have been killed by Turkish laws; none have been encouraged; the markets of Palestine and of the neighbouring countries are supplied almost wholly from Europe. The seaborne commerce, such as it is, is loaded and discharged in the open roadsteads of Jaffa and Haifa: there are no harbours. The religious and historical associations that offer most powerful attractions to the whole of the Western, and to a large part of the Eastern world, have hitherto brought to Palestine but a fraction of the pilgrims and travellers, who, under better conditions, would flock to her sacred shrines and famous sites.

The country is under-populated because of this lack of development. There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. Jewish agricultural colonies were founded. They developed the culture of oranges and gave importance to the Jaffa orange trade. They cultivated the vine, and manufactured and exported wine. They drained swamps. They planted eucalyptus trees. They practised, with modern methods, all the processes of agriculture. There are at the present time 64 of these settlements, large and small, with a population of some 15,000. Every traveller in Palestine who visits them is impressed by the contrast between these pleasant villages, with the beautiful stretches of prosperous cultivation about them and the primitive conditions of life and work by which they are surrounded.

The success of these agricultural colonies attracted the eager interest of the masses of the Jewish people scattered throughout the world. In many countries they were living under the pressure of laws or customs which cramped their capacities and thwarted their energies; they saw in Palestine the prospect of a home in which they might live at ease. Profoundly discontented, as numbers of them were, with a life of petty trade in crowded cities, they listened with ready ears to the call of a healthier and finer life as producers on the land. Some among them, agriculturists already, saw in Palestine the prospect of a soil not less fertile, and an environment far more free, than those to which they were accustomed. Everywhere great numbers of Jews, whose religion causes them to live, spiritually, largely in the past, began to take an active interest in those passages of their ritual, that dwelt, with constant emphasis, upon the connection of their race with Palestine; passages which they had hitherto read day by day and week by week, with the lax attention that is given to contingency that is possible but remote. Among a great proportion, at least, of the fourteen millions of Jews, who are dispersed in all the countries of the globe, the Zionist idea took hold. They found in it that larger and higher interest, outside and beyond the cares and concerns of daily life, which every man, who is not wholly materialist, must seek somewhere.

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

 

[eagle1462010]

From the last report by the British............

1921...............700,000 people in Palestine
.......................77,000 were Christians
.......................76,000 were Jews

1937..............1,600,000 people in Palestine
......................400,000 people were Jews
......................? Christians..............

Britain was encouraging immigration there............Said it was underdeveloped and underpopulated...........

So in 16 years 323,000 Jews immigrated to the area........
.......................577,000 Muslims immigrated to the area...........As I don't see the Christian population in the reports....................will have to dig deeper...........


Either way, the Jews were there buying and cultivating land...............improving the land and making the Desert Bloom................using modern agriculture methods of irrigation and the like...................

Turning Desert into useful land......................later in History the Arabs were bitching that they didn't give it to them................as it was NO LONGER DESERT.............................

 

[eagle1462010]

What happened to all the Christians and Jews before this time frame and before WWI................

Why was there so few of them there..............................

Hamidian massacres - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The French ambassador described Turkey as "literally in flames," with "massacres everywhere" and all Christians being murdered "without distinction."[36][37] A French vice consul declared that the Ottoman Empire was "gradually annihilating the Christian element" by "giving the Kurdish chieftains carte blanche to do whatever they please, to enrich themselves at the Christians' expense and to satisfy their men’s whims."[38]

One headline in a September 1895 article by the New York Times ran "Armenian Holocaust," while the Catholic World declared, "Not all the perfume of Arabia can wash the hand of Turkey clean enough to be suffered any longer to hold the reins of power over one inch of Christian territory."[39] The rest of the American press called for action to help the Armenians and to remove, "if not by political action than by resort to the knife... the fever spot of the Turkish Empire."[39] King Leopold II of Belgium told British Prime Minister Salisbury that he was prepared to send his Congolese Force Publique to "invade and occupy" Armenia.[40] The massacres were an important item on the agenda of President Grover Cleveland, and in his presidential platform for 1896, Republican candidate William McKinley listed the saving of the Armenians as one of his top priorities in foreign policy.[39][41] Americans in the Ottoman Empire, such as George Washburn, then-president of the Constantinople-based Robert College, pressured their government to take concrete action. In December 1900, the USS Kentucky called at the port of Smyrna, where its captain, "Red Bill" Kirkland, delivered the following warning, somewhat softened by his translator, to its governor: "If these massacres continue I'll be swuzzled if I won't someday forget my order… and find some pretext to hammer a few Turkish towns… I'd keel-haul every blithering mother's son of a Turk that wears hair."[42] Americans on the mainland, such as Julia Ward Howe, David Josiah Brewer, and John D. Rockefeller, donated and raised large amounts of money and organized relief aid that was channeled to the Armenians via the newly established American Red Cross. Other humanitarian groups and the Red Cross helped by sending aid to the remaining survivors who were dying of disease and hunger.[43]

 

[eagle1462010]

The reason there were no Christians, Jews, and others in the region prior to WWI and during the 1800's was

THE TURKS SLAUGHTERED THEM!

 

[SAYIT]

So it's ok for a government to confiscate privately owned land?

Privately owned by whom, exactly?

 

[SAYIT]

Old news from August 2014.

Considering the moldy oldies PBel usually digs up and posts (or reposts), this is pretty current.

 

[eagle1462010]

Ottoman casualties of World War I - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Among the 5 million, 771,844 were military casualties killed in action and other causes.[4] The military only covers 15% of the total casualties. The main question is what happened to 85% (spread over all millets) of the casualties, which is more but not less than 4,000,000. Ottoman statistics analyzed by Turkish Kamer Kasim (Manchester University, Ph.D.), claims that cumulative percentage was 26.9% (higher than 25% reported by western sources) of the population, which this size stands out among the countries that took part in World War I.[5] To understand the size of the issue, Kamer Kasım's %1.9 increase on the totals adds 399,000 civilians to the total number, which has not been reported in western sources.
According to this wiki site...............

5 MILLION died from the ottoman side...............

However in the total were 1.5 MILLION ARMENIANS..................Christians..............

The Turks took 771,844 Battlefield casualties............in the War..........Included in that are those who died by diseases....................

Over 4 MILLION DIED that were reported as CIVILIAN CASUALTIES OF WAR..................

What this site doesn't go into depth on.....................it was the SYSTEMATIC GENOCIDE OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.


So why were there so few people in Palestine after the War...........Why was it underpopulated???????????????

Because they were ALL DEAD.....................

 

[eagle1462010]

Okay...........I'm spamming the thread with the History of the Region...............because I'm tired of the Lies..............

Primarily because the History is credible to the argument against those saying the Land was STOLEN...................

The Land was STOLEN.............by the TURKS...........................killing all who didn't like..............

The Massacres began well before WWI...............So much so that Western powers were ready to go to War against the Ottomans long before WWI...................

It was the systematic GENOCIDE of all INFIDELS of the time by the TURKS.................It was simply how they ROLLED BACK THEN.................

So today they can say................................SEE THERE WAS NO JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THERE......................They are correct...............THE TURKS SAW TO THAT..............They KILLED THEM ALL...............................

So to all you MUSLIM APOLOGISTS..................PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT.