Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

The Joint Egyptian-Israeli blockade started in 2007. That is a year after the Population of Gaza elected HAMAS into power. Two years after the unilateral withdraw in 2005.

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The indiscriminate rocket fire was on the rise in the first three years of the new century; but began a decline, down 100 launches from a high of nearly 300 in 2004 → the year before the unilateral withdraw of 2005. In the two years immediately prior to the tightening of the Israeli Measures to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, their parts, and components and ammunition, owing to the harmful effects of those activities on the security of each State or Region.

Ok...that's a good chart. So rockets increased after Hamas was elected into power. That still does not mean the blockade is NOT collective punishment because it PUNISHES everyone - severely. This in particular impacts the ability of Gazans to access healthcare, including life saving healthcare, adequate food, water and electricity. Most recently, Abbas has joined with Israel in adding pressure to Gaza through withholding aid. Given their economy is in shambles they can not export goods, leave to work, or import goods - most Gazans depend on aid.

Bitter Palestinian rivalry adds to the agony of Gaza’s vulnerable

In Shifa hospital, Gaza, tiny premature babies, some with multiple infections, others with congenital diseases, lie packed together in incubators, struggling for life amid a tangle of tubes as lights flicker. With electricity virtually cut off, their life support is powered by a generator with a variable current.


The health of several of the babies is so poor they should have been transferred out of Gaza to modern intensive care units elsewhere, but permission to leave has been refused.


The decades-long agony of Gaza has moved into a new phase in which the very weakest lives of all are being sacrificed in a political power struggle played out beyond Gaza’s barrier wall.

Nowhere is the new intensified stranglehold more painful to observe than on the wards of Shifa. During the 2014 war, which killed more than 2,300 Palestinians, including about 500 children – leaving 1,000 permanently disabled – the beds were full of the injured. Today the doctors are struggling to save lives not damaged by bombs but by the impact of the blockade.

Kidney dialysis, intensive care and neonatal units are all in crisis. The Palestinian Authority in Ramallah on the West Bank has refused to pay for medicines, which are now critically depleted even for those in most need. Payments due to Israel each time patients are transferred are also being blocked, so that babies in need of critical care as well as cancer patients are refused permits to leave for treatment in the West Bank and Israel. Doctors say 10 cancer patients who have died in the past month could have been saved if they had been transferred.


As emergency cases back up in Gaza’s hospitals, other crises that have built up over the 11 years of siege and conflict are being brought to light. The immediate crisis in cancer care is exacerbated by the steep rise in cancer cases across Gaza, for which medical services were ill-equipped to start with.


According to Dr Khaled Thabet, head of oncology at Shifa, cancer rates in Gaza are rising steeply. He cites 90 cases per 100,000 people in 2016 compared with 65 in 2010. The rates are worryingly high given the unusually young population, with 60% of Gazans under 25. He blames the impact of three consecutive wars on Gaza, which have left poisonous elements in the soil and water, including depleted uranium. Daily use of insecticides by Israel to clear border areas is also blamed. Such is the shortage of clean water there are fears of cholera.​

I disagree, the INTENT of the blockade was a collective punishment of the Gazan’s for electing Hamas.

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What evidence is there that the Israelis are doing something other than executing actions to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, their parts and components and ammunition, owing to the harmful effects of those activities on the security of each State or Region.

What evidence is there to suggest that Israel is doing something other than strengthening the security of their international borders, including by combating fraudulent travel documents and, to the extent attainable, by enhancing terrorist screening and passenger security procedures with a view to preventing those from entering their territory;

(The Imperative to Combat Terrorism in all its forms and Manifestations by all means, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations)

(Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components and Ammunition, supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime)
(The United Nations General Assembly adopted the Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy. The strategy is a unique global instrument to enhance national, regional and international efforts to counter terrorism.) ​

Why are medical supplies in such short supply? Why is food so restricted? Why is clean water restricted? Why is electricity so restricted. None, as far as I know, are part of making arms.

There was no escalation of violence preceding it and no attempts at talks with the new government. It has gone on for ten years with no improvement.

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As you can see, there was almost a 200% increase in the two years prior to the blockade --- see above (supra).

I agree, the chart was enlightening.

How can Gaza declare independence? When the Palestinians sought any sort of U.N. recognition Israel punished those efforts. Israel punishes Palestinians for Unesco move

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Gaza is already wrapped-up with the West Bank. They would have to disengage.

It is important to remember that under Customary Law, those that have not already accepted a different citizenship, those that have acquired a new nationality, and enjoys the protection of the country of his new nationality are no longer considered a "refugee."

In terms of "Rule 103 - Collective Punishment" - Customary and IHL considers:

• Summary •

However, the prohibition of collective punishments is wider in scope because it does not only apply to criminal sanctions but also to “sanctions and harassment of any sort, administrative, by police action or otherwise”.​

Most Respectfully,
R

The first minute and 38 seconds says it all. This was on March 14th, 2003 so what we are seeing now is long time standard practice.

Whiney morons from the shallow end of the gene pool walking in front of bulldozers.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

Ok...that's a good chart. So rockets increased after Hamas was elected into power. That still does not mean the blockade is NOT collective punishment because it PUNISHES everyone - severely. This in particular impacts the ability of Gazans to access healthcare, including life-saving healthcare, adequate food, water, and electricity. Most recently, Abbas has joined with Israel in adding pressure to Gaza through withholding aid. Given their economy is in shambles they can not export goods, leave to work, or import goods - most Gazans depend on aid.

(COMMENT)

Let's sync-up some serious points. The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) cannot function in isolation. The local people must have knowledge of the existence of hostile activity. The HoAP cannot exist in cover and concealment without the active aid of the Gazan. And the passive assistance was in the form of remaining silent and allowing hostile action to take place.

• The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a known terrorist organization and has been so designated since 1997.

• The population of Gaza voted overwhelmingly for the HAMAS.

• The Gazan people supported the uses of unlawful violence and intimidation, 2005 Elections, in the pursuit of political aims through the systematic use of terror especially, as a means of coercion.

• The Gazan people provided popular assistance in the necessities for organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities and to take appropriate practical measures to ensure that our respective territories are not used for terrorist installations or training camps, or for the preparation or organization of terrorist acts intended to be committed against other States or their citizens.
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Does anything sound familiar here? When you have a vast majority of the population elect an HoAP leadership, and for years, march around in masks and weapons, shouting war chants against Israel, at what point does that HoAP and general population become a State Sponsor of Terrorism?

We all see a different threshold. We all believe something different in terms of justification one way or the other. But at the end of the date, the General Population must understand that "no counter-terrorism policy can be effective without addressing conditions that are conducive to the spread of terrorism." But still - Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, No goal, No cause can excuse thirty years of violence the HoAP pursued.

Why are medical supplies in such short supply? Why is food so restricted? Why is clean water restricted? Why is electricity so restricted. None, as far as I know, are part of making arms.

(COMMENT)

There is a thriving black market and a corrupt management system for construction materials, so much so that some donors stay on site to protect the integrity of the project from diversion.

If someone asks me about the Gaza reconstruction process,
I usually answer: it is a big zero.
Mamadou Sow,
Head of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Gaza,
during an interview with the Safa Press Agency, 13 July 2015.
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There is no question that certain parts of the Gaza Strip were severely damaged or destroyed; ostensibly by the Israelis. But that cannot be laid entirely at the feet of the Israelis. Just as we have seen in the last few weeks, the HoAP have a much different approach to the organization of public demonstrations and the exposure of the Gazan citizenry to risk and danger. They will sacrifice lives for any number of reasons.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Well, when your imports end up building rockets and tunnels, they tend to get restricted.

That only addresses the symptoms, not the disease itself.

 

[Billo_Really]

You need to keep up. Islamist terrorism is facilitated by directing UNRWA welfare funds to arms and ammunition for Hamas and other Islamic terrorist franchises.

That's the big lie you keep pushing.

 

[Billo_Really]

good--keep shooting the violent, murderous terrorists

And what about your violent, murderous terrorists?

 

[Hollie]

You need to keep up. Islamist terrorism is facilitated by directing UNRWA welfare funds to arms and ammunition for Hamas and other Islamic terrorist franchises.

That's the big lie you keep pushing.

You allow your ignorance to become an excuse for islamic terrorist apologetics.

 

[Billo_Really]

You allow your ignorance to become an excuse for islamic terrorist apologetics.

And there's another big lie you keep telling.

 

[Hollie]

You allow your ignorance to become an excuse for islamic terrorist apologetics.

And there's another big lie you keep telling.

Your ignorance is of your own making. It's a choice you made.

 

[Billo_Really]

Your ignorance is of your own making. It's a choice you made.

More off-topic comments from the I/P troll herself.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, when your imports end up building rockets and tunnels, they tend to get restricted.

That only addresses the symptoms, not the disease itself.

I agree, the disease of radical Islam must be eradicated.

 

[Coyote]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

Ok...that's a good chart. So rockets increased after Hamas was elected into power. That still does not mean the blockade is NOT collective punishment because it PUNISHES everyone - severely. This in particular impacts the ability of Gazans to access healthcare, including life-saving healthcare, adequate food, water, and electricity. Most recently, Abbas has joined with Israel in adding pressure to Gaza through withholding aid. Given their economy is in shambles they can not export goods, leave to work, or import goods - most Gazans depend on aid.

(COMMENT)

Let's sync-up some serious points. The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) cannot function in isolation. The local people must have knowledge of the existence of hostile activity. The HoAP cannot exist in cover and concealment without the active aid of the Gazan. And the passive assistance was in the form of remaining silent and allowing hostile action to take place.

• The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a known terrorist organization and has been so designated since 1997.

• The population of Gaza voted overwhelmingly for the HAMAS.

• The Gazan people supported the uses of unlawful violence and intimidation, 2005 Elections, in the pursuit of political aims through the systematic use of terror especially, as a means of coercion.

• The Gazan people provided popular assistance in the necessities for organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities and to take appropriate practical measures to ensure that our respective territories are not used for terrorist installations or training camps, or for the preparation or organization of terrorist acts intended to be committed against other States or their citizens.
​

Does anything sound familiar here? When you have a vast majority of the population elect an HoAP leadership, and for years, march around in masks and weapons, shouting war chants against Israel, at what point does that HoAP and general population become a State Sponsor of Terrorism?

We all see a different threshold. We all believe something different in terms of justification one way or the other. But at the end of the date, the General Population must understand that "no counter-terrorism policy can be effective without addressing conditions that are conducive to the spread of terrorism." But still - Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, No goal, No cause can excuse thirty years of violence the HoAP pursued.

Why are medical supplies in such short supply? Why is food so restricted? Why is clean water restricted? Why is electricity so restricted. None, as far as I know, are part of making arms.

(COMMENT)

There is a thriving black market and a corrupt management system for construction materials, so much so that some donors stay on site to protect the integrity of the project from diversion.

If someone asks me about the Gaza reconstruction process,
I usually answer: it is a big zero.
Mamadou Sow,
Head of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Gaza,
during an interview with the Safa Press Agency, 13 July 2015.
​

There is no question that certain parts of the Gaza Strip were severely damaged or destroyed; ostensibly by the Israelis. But that cannot be laid entirely at the feet of the Israelis. Just as we have seen in the last few weeks, the HoAP have a much different approach to the organization of public demonstrations and the exposure of the Gazan citizenry to risk and danger. They will sacrifice lives for any number of reasons.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree, nothing can justify terrorism.

But here are two things.

Are you saying collective punishment is justified?

In my view, like terrorism, it is never justified.

The second thing is, why did they vote in Hamas?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

Ok...that's a good chart. So rockets increased after Hamas was elected into power. That still does not mean the blockade is NOT collective punishment because it PUNISHES everyone - severely. This in particular impacts the ability of Gazans to access healthcare, including life-saving healthcare, adequate food, water, and electricity. Most recently, Abbas has joined with Israel in adding pressure to Gaza through withholding aid. Given their economy is in shambles they can not export goods, leave to work, or import goods - most Gazans depend on aid.

(COMMENT)

Let's sync-up some serious points. The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) cannot function in isolation. The local people must have knowledge of the existence of hostile activity. The HoAP cannot exist in cover and concealment without the active aid of the Gazan. And the passive assistance was in the form of remaining silent and allowing hostile action to take place.

• The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a known terrorist organization and has been so designated since 1997.

• The population of Gaza voted overwhelmingly for the HAMAS.

• The Gazan people supported the uses of unlawful violence and intimidation, 2005 Elections, in the pursuit of political aims through the systematic use of terror especially, as a means of coercion.

• The Gazan people provided popular assistance in the necessities for organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities and to take appropriate practical measures to ensure that our respective territories are not used for terrorist installations or training camps, or for the preparation or organization of terrorist acts intended to be committed against other States or their citizens.
​

Does anything sound familiar here? When you have a vast majority of the population elect an HoAP leadership, and for years, march around in masks and weapons, shouting war chants against Israel, at what point does that HoAP and general population become a State Sponsor of Terrorism?

We all see a different threshold. We all believe something different in terms of justification one way or the other. But at the end of the date, the General Population must understand that "no counter-terrorism policy can be effective without addressing conditions that are conducive to the spread of terrorism." But still - Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, No goal, No cause can excuse thirty years of violence the HoAP pursued.

Why are medical supplies in such short supply? Why is food so restricted? Why is clean water restricted? Why is electricity so restricted. None, as far as I know, are part of making arms.

(COMMENT)

There is a thriving black market and a corrupt management system for construction materials, so much so that some donors stay on site to protect the integrity of the project from diversion.

If someone asks me about the Gaza reconstruction process,
I usually answer: it is a big zero.
Mamadou Sow,
Head of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Gaza,
during an interview with the Safa Press Agency, 13 July 2015.
​

There is no question that certain parts of the Gaza Strip were severely damaged or destroyed; ostensibly by the Israelis. But that cannot be laid entirely at the feet of the Israelis. Just as we have seen in the last few weeks, the HoAP have a much different approach to the organization of public demonstrations and the exposure of the Gazan citizenry to risk and danger. They will sacrifice lives for any number of reasons.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree, nothing can justify terrorism.

But here are two things.

Are you saying collective punishment is justified?

In my view, like terrorism, it is never justified.

The second thing is, why did they vote in Hamas?

A blockade is by nature punitive.One must look at the reason for the blockade and pretending those reasons don't exists is ignorant. Israel blockades Gaza BECAUSE Hamas IMPORTS weapons to attack Israel. No blockade and the damage done to Israel would be catastrophic.

 

[Coyote]

Isn’t collective punishment in and of itself conducive to the spread of terrorism?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Isn’t collective punishment in and of itself conducive to the spread of terrorism?

EXACTLY what choice does Israel have? If they do not control the importing of weapons they will be severely damaged. even with the blockade they are still attacked imagine if there was unrestricted trade.

 

[theliq]

mondoweiss.net ...

Not exactly an unbiased news source.

BUT CORRECT ALL THE SAME

 

[theliq]

From your link:


IDF

✔@IDFSpokesperson

Hamas tells the world about a peacful protest, it should be called a violent riot.

Hardly...how many Jews have been killed.....NONE...yet again you LIE...I am essentially here to kick Zionist Ass when they LIE....I'm doing well at it,now to change my footwear to STEEL CAPPED BOOTS............steve

 

[theliq]

One of the two sides should hurry up and kill the other...I am tired of my tax dollars going toward this shit show.

with money or without money...

the show will continue until the palestinians stop their tantrum.

Usual Zionist Trump loving Banality,............YAWN.....so uncouth and unclean....you need your mouth washing out....Silly Skye Silly Skye rrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[theliq]

One of the two sides should hurry up and kill the other...I am tired of my tax dollars going toward this shit show.

Yes, we know. In a way I agree about the funds, but how heartless of you to wish for death.

I see you got a FUNNY from that wretch...gopta..........YUK.........you should watch who you associate with Teddy,I trust the Family and You are Well....steve

 

[theliq]

Isn’t collective punishment in and of itself conducive to the spread of terrorism?

EXACTLY what choice does Israel have? If they do not control the importing of weapons they will be severely damaged. even with the blockade they are still attacked imagine if there was unrestricted trade.

Stay Retired.....Retired...LOL...steve

 

[fncceo]

.I am essentially here to kick Zionist Ass

People have tried that before ... didn't work out for them.

And they had a state-of-the-art air force.