Israel’s Big Lie of “Self-Defence”

[Toddsterpatriot]

Gaza, the West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem.

Next question, troll....

And what countries were those again?

 

[Billo_Really]

Thread, please that indicates he was just “ Chest Thumping “ You can’t because you’re a liar. Did he BRAG about Closing the Straits or did he actually do it? Too bad you’re uneducated about the aftermath
Please tell us specifically why there wasn’t peace in 2008 . You can’t

Because he didn't attack Israel; Israel attacked him.

 

[Billo_Really]

And what countries were those again?

Go fuck yourself, troll!

 

[Billo_Really]

Moron; They have those areas because of a War the Nasser initiated

Not according to UN resolution 242.

 

[Billo_Really]

No, you are a fucking lie. The only way to stop the killing, and you know this, but simply won’t admit it because you are a warped animal. Is for Hamas to surrender and unconditionally release their hostages.

So go forth my little man and lie no more.

If Israel wanted peace, they would end the occupation. Period, fuckman!

 

[Papageorgio]

An occupier does not have the right to use arms in “self-defence”.​

There are four reasons why Israel cannot cite a legal right to self-defence in response to Palestinian violence.

First and foremost is that the ability of a very strong military power to achieve anything defensive by the attrition of a much weaker military power is spurious and leads into the genocidal logic of attempting to deprive a people of all capacity for violence.

The second reason is that Israel is actively contravening UN Security Council resolutions and the UN Charter is very clear on the fact that the right to self-defence exists “until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.” A state that works to thwart UNSC measures to maintain peace and security cannot logically be extended the unimpaired right to self defence.

On the third count Israel is an occupying power and the occupied have a legal right to armed resistance. It would be nonsensical to accord a legal right to use arms to defend against another’s legal resistance.

Fourthly, it would be equally paradoxical to allow each party to act in self-defence against each other’s acts of self defence. Thus one of the parties must be the aggressor. On several counts, not least its defiance of UNSC resolutions, Israel must be considered the aggressor.
Israel’s only legitimate way of defending itself begins with ending its occupation. Israelis have a right to life and they deserve peace and security as we all do, but they have no right to kill Palestinians and claim that they are pursuing those things.

Let's make no mistake, Israel is the aggressor! And it is committing genocide. According to Arnon Soffer...

“When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it’s going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today … The pressure at the border will be awful. It’s going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day..."

These words are shockingly Himmleresque in labelling a people animals; in stating that mass killing is neither choice nor desire, but necessity...

All the Israeli supporters at this website echo this theme that it is "necessary" to inflict all this damage on the Palestinian's. This is Germany in the 30's all over again!

Maybe Hamas should not of attacked Israel first.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hamas invaded Israel and killed 1400+ unarmed Israelis. If not for the IDF, Hamas would have killed all Israelis and annexed Israel.

Israel has a responsibility to destroy Hamas at all costs.

Hamas started this war, but Israel will finish it.

Just like the Nazis started WWII, but the allies finished it.

But you knew that. Your support for terrorism is disgusting!

The war was started 16 years ago with the illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza.

 

[Billo_Really]

It isn't fair at all. And I have, and will again, condemn it. You haven't answered my question, which was: What has changed for the people of Gaza between 2005 and now that would create the peace now and not then? Why should we expect a different outcome now?

As long as you maintain the illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza, there is nothing to expect but war. Palestinians do have every legal right in the world to resist the occupation of their homeland. Israel, as the occupying power, not only does not have the right to self defense, they are obligated under IHL, to ensure the safety of non-combatant's. Israel is committing war crimes.

 

[Billo_Really]

Maybe Hamas should not of attacked Israel first.

Hamas didn't attack first. You're starting the clock at the wrong time. For the last 16 years, Palestinians have been living under a brutal illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza. That's where you start the war.

 

[Billo_Really]

Well that’s a huge pile of antisemitic dog droppings

Why would I hate Jews?

You got the balls to answer that question?

 

[Shusha]

As long as you maintain the illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza, there is nothing to expect but war. Palestinians do have every legal right in the world to resist the occupation of their homeland. Israel, as the occupying power, not only does not have the right to self defense, they are obligated under IHL, to ensure the safety of non-combatant's. Israel is committing war crimes.

So, once again, I ask you: How will we know with certainty that the occupation/blockade is ended? What is the criteria? Because I have been saying (repeatedly) that Israel ended the occupation in 2005. Gaza attacked Israel immediately (within hours of ending the occupation). Gaza has continued to attack Israel. The blockade is a consequence of the attacks, rather than the attacks being a consequence of the blockade.

I ask again, what are Israel's obligation at this moment? Be specific.

What are Gaza's obligations at this moment? Be specific.

 

[gipper]

Maybe Hamas should not of attacked Israel first.

So you too think this started on 10/7. Lol.

 

[HeyNorm]

If Israel wanted peace, they would end the occupation. Period, fuckman!

If Hamas wanted peace they would surrender. Period loser.

 

[Shusha]

Hamas didn't attack first. You're starting the clock at the wrong time. For the last 16 years, Palestinians have been living under a brutal illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza. That's where you start the war.

You are starting the clock at the wrong time. The blockade was a response to attacks after the disengagement. The clock should be started with the disengagement.

If the people of Gaza, and their elected government, had used that disengagement to build a thriving, peaceful, well-developed economy, there would be a Gaza and an Israel living side-by-side, not just in peace, but in mutual benefit.

 

[eagle1462010]

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[Shusha]

Not according to UN resolution 242.

UNSCR 242 has nothing to do with Palestinian self-determination. Peace treaties have been signed between Israel and the other relevant parties (the States of Egypt and Jordan). File it away. It is done.

 

[Shusha]

So you too think this started on 10/7. Lol.

Where would you like to start it?

 

[gipper]

Where would you like to start it?

Decades ago when the Palestinians were evicted from their land.

 

[Shusha]

It is utterly ridiculous to suggest that the way to peace is to continue to have Gaza attack Israel until Israel gives it more freedom to attack Israel.

End the violence. Then the peace process can begin. Choose water.

 

[Shusha]

Decades ago when the Palestinians were evicted from their land.

So, the 1948 Israeli War of Independence?

Why not when the Jewish people were evicted from their land?