Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[Ernie S.]

Of course existing inside someone else's borders on someone else's land puts Israel in a rather precarious position.

Must check my maps.... Sorry, PF you're STILL wrong.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In the Armistice Agreements, the ceasefire lines are defined as follows:

5(2). In no sense are the cease-fire lines to be interpreted as political or territorial borders and their delineation in no way affects the rights, demands or positions of any of the parties to the cease-fire agreements regarding the final disposition of the Palestine question.

http://208.84.118.121/pf_1948to1967_land_1948.php

 

[Sundowner47]

While this new poster has been LOLing at a lot of things, I have to LOL with his words "shameless immorality." It appears that he and the other Jew haters conveniently overlook the real shameless immorality of the Muslims murdering people in the name of their religion, even when it comes down to their murdering each other of different sect. This is the genuine shameless immorality. Meanwhile, I do believe a Jewish homeland was planned even before World War II and the Holocaust. Such a scholar as Sundowner might like to check into this.



jt2

Housefly....you seem to spin on the Zionist response template...beyond this rudimentary teaching-aid you have zero ability to think...reason...decipher...in short all the values that meet the criteria for critical intelligence...The Israeli/Palestinians conflict has nothing to do with issues of Islam---scurrilous Jews merely exploit the fashionable post-9/11 anti-Muslim attitudes as a cover for their torture chamber...and yes stupid--there was a Jewish homeland panned before WW2---it was planned by the vile Zionists, who promptly exploited the Holocaust as a means to an end...the moral depravity speaks clearly

Exploited the Holocaust? Now I know you're incompetent and uneducated.
It's like you're trying to write your own version oh history.

The Jewish people will never leave from Israel. It will always be their homeland.
No matter how many times they are attacked, they will survive.
No matter how much is destroyed, they will always rebuild it.

No matter how many threats, Israel will stand strong.

These radical Muslim extremists that run countries like Iran and Syria have no value for human life, while Israel actually cares about its people. Soon, the middle east revolution will reach Iran. Their demise is not too far away.

Simpleton...try to pay attention to the details...I confess that I genuinely adore the howl of being called "uneducated" by the likes of some drone liar, an individual so demonstrably stupid that they fail to discern fact from fiction. Even the most resolute Zionist cultists are well-aware of the shameless exploitation of the holocaust as an ironic justification for what Israelis routinely do to the native population. Even the undigested pig Netanyahu invoked the holocaust before shamelessly the UN when the U.S. administration was browbeat into rejecting the Palestinian appeal for statehood recently...you have no faint idea of what is being discussed here...you are merely a mindless echo-chamber for Zionist lies

 

[Hossfly]

In the Armistice Agreements, the ceasefire lines are defined as follows:

5(2). In no sense are the cease-fire lines to be interpreted as political or territorial borders and their delineation in no way affects the rights, demands or positions of any of the parties to the cease-fire agreements regarding the final disposition of the Palestine question.

Israel's Borders After 1948 War

Where's Palestine in this map? 10 miles west of Gaza?

 

[Sundowner47]

The funniest aspect of the much-bruited Jewish appeal that Israel retains some mysterious "right to exist" is that this often invoked right does not exist itself...Jews merely invented this nonsense in the same obscene spirit in which such other monumentally laughable slogans as "a land without people for the people without land" and of course the awe-inspiring "world's most moral army" and "purity of arms" derived...these are hucksters, and liars of a character that harkens back to Goebbells in his heyday




Since the 1970s, Israel’s leaders have insisted that their Palestinian interlocutors acknowledge Israel’s “right to exist” as a pre-condition for negotiations on a settlement of the conflict.

Amongst other concessions, the governments of Israel and the United States insist that Hamas makes precisely this declaration before being allowed to join Fatah in direct talks with their Israeli counterparts.

The problem with such a demand is that no such abstract “right to exist” can be found in international law or in any serious theory of international relations.

To put it succinctly, a “right to exist” does not exist for states. Nor does such a right exist in practice. Australia, for example, does not recognise Israel’s “right to exist”. Nor do any other states.

People’s right to live in peace

The right for a state to exist should not be confused or conflated with either the right to self-determination or diplomatic recognition.

The first is a right invested in people, usually nations, who want to be governed in common as an independent or sovereign political community.

The latter is simply a political and legal convenience of international society.

Nor should Israel’s “right to exist” be confused with its people’s “right to live in peace within secure and recognised boundaries,” the wording of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242.

This right exists for all peoples regardless of their geographic location: for Israelis and Palestinians equally. Not for states.

 

[irosie91]

gobbly gook-----the "right to exist" is simply a demand that islamo nazi pigs stop teaching their children and their goons that it is right and the "WILL OF THEIR 'god'" to slit the throats of israeli babies to entern such filth as YOU

 

[Hossfly]

The funniest aspect of the much-bruited Jewish appeal that Israel retains some mysterious "right to exist" is that this often invoked right does not exist itself...Jews merely invented this nonsense in the same obscene spirit in which such other monumentally laughable slogans as "a land without people for the people without land" and of course the awe-inspiring "world's most moral army" and "purity of arms" derived...these are hucksters, and liars of a character that harkens back to Goebbells in his heyday




Since the 1970s, Israel’s leaders have insisted that their Palestinian interlocutors acknowledge Israel’s “right to exist” as a pre-condition for negotiations on a settlement of the conflict.

Amongst other concessions, the governments of Israel and the United States insist that Hamas makes precisely this declaration before being allowed to join Fatah in direct talks with their Israeli counterparts.

The problem with such a demand is that no such abstract “right to exist” can be found in international law or in any serious theory of international relations.

To put it succinctly, a “right to exist” does not exist for states. Nor does such a right exist in practice. Australia, for example, does not recognise Israel’s “right to exist”. Nor do any other states.

People’s right to live in peace

The right for a state to exist should not be confused or conflated with either the right to self-determination or diplomatic recognition.

The first is a right invested in people, usually nations, who want to be governed in common as an independent or sovereign political community.

The latter is simply a political and legal convenience of international society.

Nor should Israel’s “right to exist” be confused with its people’s “right to live in peace within secure and recognised boundaries,” the wording of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242.

This right exists for all peoples regardless of their geographic location: for Israelis and Palestinians equally. Not for states.

Israel demanded of the Palisimians the right of recognition, not the 'right to exist', Sir Blivet of Stormfront.

 

[irosie91]

Housefly....you seem to spin on the Zionist response template...beyond this rudimentary teaching-aid you have zero ability to think...reason...decipher...in short all the values that meet the criteria for critical intelligence...The Israeli/Palestinians conflict has nothing to do with issues of Islam---scurrilous Jews merely exploit the fashionable post-9/11 anti-Muslim attitudes as a cover for their torture chamber...and yes stupid--there was a Jewish homeland panned before WW2---it was planned by the vile Zionists, who promptly exploited the Holocaust as a means to an end...the moral depravity speaks clearly

Exploited the Holocaust? Now I know you're incompetent and uneducated.
It's like you're trying to write your own version oh history.
The Jewish people will never leave from Israel. It will always be their homeland.
No matter how many times they are attacked, they will survive.
No matter how much is destroyed, they will always rebuild it.

No matter how many threats, Israel will stand strong.

These radical Muslim extremists that run countries like Iran and Syria have no value for human life, while Israel actually cares about its people. Soon, the middle east revolution will reach Iran. Their demise is not too far away.[/QUOTE
Simpleton...try to pay attention to the details...I confess that I genuinely adore the howl of being called "uneducated" by the likes of some drone liar, an individual so demonstrably stupid that they fail to discern fact from fiction. Even the most resolute Zionist cultists are well-aware of the shameless exploitation of the holocaust as an ironic justification for what Israelis routinely do to the native population. Even the undigested pig Netanyahu invoked the holocaust before shamelessly the UN when the U.S. administration was browbeat into rejecting the Palestinian appeal for statehood recently...you have no faint idea of what is being discussed here...you are merely a mindless echo-chamber for Zionist lies

Sundowner ---I know you well ----every time a muslim slut screams "allahuakbar" and blows her over used stinking ass to hell for her "god" you have an episode of intenst self gratification and just the thought of millions of babies with slit throats for the honor of your "nabi" fill you with intenst "pleasure"

 

[Politico]

They have lots of things to back their right to exist. They go boom, bang and blam.

 

[Sundowner47]

gobbly gook-----the "right to exist" is simply a demand that islamo nazi pigs stop teaching their children and their goons that it is right and the "WILL OF THEIR 'god'" to slit the throats of israeli babies to entern such filth as YOU

No apparent change-up in the nonsensical responses...suffice to say that 'right to exist" is Zio-BS....AS FOR KILLING BABIES...SHALL WE EXAMINE THE STATS? ONLY RECENTLY THE RESOURCEFUL IDF KILLED 400 ARAB CHILDREN IN CAST-LEAD...NATURALLY THEY WERE ALL "TERRORISTS"...LOL

 

[irosie91]

Both tinny and sherri continue to INSIST that jews have no right to buy or own land Both Sherri and tinny continue to insist that if a MUSLIM is born in any land then muslims OWN that land simply for being born there but jews who have lived in specific lands for thousands of years have NO RIGHTS OF OWNERSHIP and both tinny and sherri insist that muslims have the right to rape and murder christians, jews and hindus and enslave their children Sherri----in particular ----supports the idea that muslims have a right to enslave and bugger Jesus

Nonsense.

Palestinian Christians and Jew can and do own land, homes, and businesses in Palestine.

what are you calling "palestine" according to the legal code you advocate-----jews cannot buy land in what muslims call palestine Why do you lie? it is your "religion"??? My own husband was born in a sharish shit hole-----you are a disgusting liar. Oh I forgot ----jesus told you that he believes that muslims have a right to slit the throats of jewish babies and rape jewish and christian women

 

[irosie91]

gobbly gook-----the "right to exist" is simply a demand that islamo nazi pigs stop teaching their children and their goons that it is right and the "WILL OF THEIR 'god'" to slit the throats of israeli babies to entern such filth as YOU

No apparent change-up in the nonsensical responses...suffice to say that 'right to exist" is Zio-BS....AS FOR KILLING BABIES...SHALL WE EXAMINE THE STATS? ONLY RECENTLY THE RESOURCEFUL IDF KILLED 400 ARAB CHILDREN IN CAST-LEAD...NATURALLY THEY WERE ALL "TERRORISTS"...LOL

no they were SHIELDS for your fave mujahadeen keep in mind -----your pals are killig thousands of muslim babies---whilst screaming "allahuakbar" to entertain their sluts The pigs have shelters -------scores of tunnels under gaza but the slut mothers PREFER to donate their babies to the "god" of the rapist pig

 

[Hossfly]

Exploited the Holocaust? Now I know you're incompetent and uneducated.
It's like you're trying to write your own version oh history.
The Jewish people will never leave from Israel. It will always be their homeland.
No matter how many times they are attacked, they will survive.
No matter how much is destroyed, they will always rebuild it.

No matter how many threats, Israel will stand strong.

These radical Muslim extremists that run countries like Iran and Syria have no value for human life, while Israel actually cares about its people. Soon, the middle east revolution will reach Iran. Their demise is not too far away.[/QUOTE
Simpleton...try to pay attention to the details...I confess that I genuinely adore the howl of being called "uneducated" by the likes of some drone liar, an individual so demonstrably stupid that they fail to discern fact from fiction. Even the most resolute Zionist cultists are well-aware of the shameless exploitation of the holocaust as an ironic justification for what Israelis routinely do to the native population. Even the undigested pig Netanyahu invoked the holocaust before shamelessly the UN when the U.S. administration was browbeat into rejecting the Palestinian appeal for statehood recently...you have no faint idea of what is being discussed here...you are merely a mindless echo-chamber for Zionist lies

Sundowner ---I know you well ----every time a muslim slut screams "allahuakbar" and blows her over used stinking ass to hell for her "god" you have an episode of intenst self gratification and just the thought of millions of babies with slit throats for the honor of your "nabi" fill you with intenst "pleasure"

Of course we know him well. We have been reading nonsense from many other posters for years with the same anti-Semitic/anti-Israel mind set as he has. Let him blabber on like he knows it all, and we will just have a good chuckle. Taking a page from his book, he is only a mindless echo chamber for Muslim lies.



jt2

 

[P F Tinmore]

In the Armistice Agreements, the ceasefire lines are defined as follows:

5(2). In no sense are the cease-fire lines to be interpreted as political or territorial borders and their delineation in no way affects the rights, demands or positions of any of the parties to the cease-fire agreements regarding the final disposition of the Palestine question.

Israel's Borders After 1948 War

Where's Palestine in this map? 10 miles west of Gaza?

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

How about just west of Jordan?

 

[Hossfly]

In the Armistice Agreements, the ceasefire lines are defined as follows:

5(2). In no sense are the cease-fire lines to be interpreted as political or territorial borders and their delineation in no way affects the rights, demands or positions of any of the parties to the cease-fire agreements regarding the final disposition of the Palestine question.

Israel's Borders After 1948 War

Where's Palestine in this map? 10 miles west of Gaza?

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

How about just west of Jordan?

Do you realize this is 2012 AD. No need to save your Confederate money, the South won't rise again.

 

[docmauser1]

In the Armistice Agreements, the ceasefire lines are defined as follows: 5(2). In no sense are the cease-fire lines to be interpreted as political or territorial borders and their delineation in no way affects the rights, demands or positions of any of the parties to the cease-fire agreements regarding the final disposition of the Palestine question.

A document, to the signing of which palistanians, as a bunch, having no land and no borders and not being a people, were not, understandably, invited, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

The fictive "right to exist" has no legal or historical point of reference, hence ...

A rather interesting postulate, confirming that palistanian "rights and wants" are a product of occupational excesses they happily indulge in, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

AS FOR KILLING BABIES...SHALL WE EXAMINE THE STATS? ONLY RECENTLY THE RESOURCEFUL IDF KILLED 400 ARAB CHILDREN IN CAST-LEAD...NATURALLY THEY WERE ALL "TERRORISTS"...LOL

We're most certain hamas and syndicated terrorist gangsters are still upset they couldn't get more of them killed for allah and TV cameras, of course.

 

[Saigon]

Australia, for example, does not recognise Israel’s “right to exist”.

Um...what?

Australia and Israel established full diplomatic relations in 1949.

 

[docmauser1]

About the same. Israelis don't own land. They own the homes but lease the land they sit on.

From the israeli government, of course.